LMAO at CA teams...

[NE-VT]

at this point I no longer assume any level of competence on the NFL's part.

I completely agree with this. There is a decent chance that the Chargers and the League regret the San Diego to LA move. The 500 million increase in the assessed value of the Charger's organization is a projection. It assumes the the Chargers will actually catch on in the larger market share. Who knows if new fans will care for a team plagued by such organizational ineptitude. The franchise QB who they have squandered for the last decade will retire soon. This team could become a total joke.

 

[jmt57]

You would definitely think that, but at this point I no longer assume any level of competence on the NFL's part. By all accounts, the Rams proposal vs. the Raiders/Chargers proposal apparently came down to putting a sufficiently shiny presentation together that would really wow Jerry Jones and a few other influential owners.

So I basically think that the Rams being the first team back came down to little more than Kroenke willing it to happen and fronting the money necessary to do it. And I think the Chargers joining came down to the Spanos family being the only ones poor enough and shameless enough to be willing to play 2 years in a soccer stadium and then go be a tenant in the Rams' stadium.

I think of all the things they considered, which team LA actually wanted weirdly wasn't one of them. They figured that whatever team ended up there would win over the city, and that could still happen in the future, but it definitely hasn't yet and I don't think it'll happen any time soon.

Jerry Jones benefits personally with the Raiders moving to Las Vegas.

In order for that to happen for Jones the Raiders needed to be eliminated from potentially moving to Los Angeles.

How Cowboys owner Jerry Jones got this Vegas Raiders deal done

What's Jerry Jones doing in the middle of the Raiders' move to Las Vegas? Making money | Sports Business | Dallas News

 

[Adam Seward]

Raiders fans are Raiders fans, city doesn't mean a damn, these guys are crazed dogs.

Chargers fans barely existed before and now I don't think anyone cares for them after the move, as they only almost cared before. I feel bad for the few guys here in San Diego who did care though, the Chargers were a constant for 50+ years.

 

[PlainOldEd]

I noticed a lot of empty seats at the ATL Green Bay game last night. But the stats show it as sold out. Did anyone else see that?

 

[Patriot Missile]

A lot to do in California. Besides some of the big time franchises, I see a lot of geographic areas going the same route as those so called fanbases.

Ugly commutes, horrific traffic outside of stadiums on top of normal ****ty Sunday traffic. A good majority of people spent their whole week sitting in traffic already, doubt they want to spend one of their precious days off doing it again. Especially at the prices set for them by a 1 percenter.

If you were from out of town and the Patriots weren't playing the Rams/Chargers and I offered you a choice between one of the college games and an NFL ticket, which would you choose?

 

[Wheelman]

I am trying to remember, who exactly was pushing so hard for teams to move to Los Angeles.

1.) Was it the NFL owners, who thought they each would reap the financial benefit from a relocation fee?

2. ) Was it individual owners seeking a sweetheart stadium deal like the Niners, Bucs and others had been able to wrangle from local municipalities?

3.) Was it the networks, who felt having team(s) there would result in higher ratings and therefore more advertising revenue?


If it was #3 then the networks should have done better research. From this 2011 article there are conflicting viewpoints on that topic.

NFL in L.A. is a ratings conundrum

“There’s definitely an impact nationally and locally,” notes Bill Wanger, exec VP of programming and reseach for Fox Sports Media Group. “From a local standpoint, you’re talking about more than doubling the rating for a home team in L.A. vs. a neutral game. It’s definitely a benefit on the O&O side.”​

However, there was also this opposing viewpoint:

Ad buyer Gary Carr of Targetcast thinks his clients won’t be affected much whether there’s an L.A. team or not, and no matter how good that team is. The NFL is an 800-pound gorilla gaining weight, and one or two teams changing cities shouldn’t make much of a difference from an ad perspective.

“I don’t see an earth-shattering change,” he says. “The NFL ratings are pretty damn high as it is.”

​

Los Angeles seemed completely disinterested in bringing an NFL team back to the area for years. It seemed as though the demand was a fabrication from outside the region. The logic was based strictly on the population for the metropolitan area, and all other factors were excluded.



As for the sweetheart deal the 49ers received for their new stadium, they are not alone. This article lays out a lot of the facts about how they and many other owners have hoodwinked local authorities.

How the NFL Fleeces Taxpayers

Despite all that the 49ers apparently just couldn't help themselves, and wanted to keep even more cash for themselves.

Moneybrawl: How the Mayor of Santa Clara, San Francisco 49ers Went to War over Levi’s Stadium

Levi's Stadium Audit Intensifies Tussle Between Santa Clara and 49ers

These articles makes my blood boil. I already knew some of it but it's even worse than I was aware, I'm so ****ing angry right now.

At the same time it saddens me, the widespread corruption. And nobody in a position of power to change all this cares.

 

[jmt57]

A lot to do in California.

When you are living in a warm weather climate such as southern California or Florida, the available options of things to do on the weekend make it easy to choose some outdoor activity other than spending the day at a sporting event. I would assume that becomes even more pronounced in SoCal when the Rams and Chargers are less popular than three or four other sport teams playing at the same time (USC, UCLA, Dodgers, Angels).

 

[Wheelman]

Jerry Jones benefits personally with the Raiders moving to Las Vegas.

In order for that to happen for Jones the Raiders needed to be eliminated from potentially moving to Los Angeles.

How Cowboys owner Jerry Jones got this Vegas Raiders deal done

What's Jerry Jones doing in the middle of the Raiders' move to Las Vegas? Making money | Sports Business | Dallas News

And on top of that, Jones' company is the one selling the suites for the Rams stadium.

 

[Boomer B]

Raiders will do well in Vegas. I was in Vegas a few months ago sitting at a blackjack table. One of the guys at the table is from Oakland and had a Raiders jersey on. He wasn't happy about the move but said he's looking forward to lots of Vegas weekend trips. Another guy at the table was from LA. There's a huge Raiders fan base in LA who will travel to Vegas for the games. Add in all the fans of the opposing teams who will be happy to hit Vegas for a weekend and you have a good recipe for success.

The one dumb thing the NHL team did was not embrace what Vegas is. They end up with a dumb name and logo which won't be a huge seller. They could have called themselves the Vegas Aces and had an awesome jersey with a hockey player in the Ace of Spades card which would sell like hot cakes, but the NHL didn't want anything to do with the gambling aspect of the city.

 

[Patriot Missile]

Raiders will do well in Vegas. I was in Vegas a few months ago sitting at a blackjack table. One of the guys at the table is from Oakland and had a Raiders jersey on. He wasn't happy about the move but said he's looking forward to lots of Vegas weekend trips. Another guy at the table was from LA. There's a huge Raiders fan base in LA who will travel to Vegas for the games. Add in all the fans of the opposing teams who will be happy to hit Vegas for a weekend and you have a good recipe for success.

The one dumb thing the NHL team did was not embrace what Vegas is. They end up with a dumb name and logo which won't be a huge seller. They could have called themselves the Vegas Aces and had an awesome jersey with a hockey player in the Ace of Spades card which would sell like hot cakes, but the NHL didn't want anything to do with the gambling aspect of the city.

They may do really well. 600k people in vegas, 2 million overall in surrounding area. 4 hour drive from L.A for the diehards. How many seats are going to be available to corporate sponsorship meaning the hotels though? Could be really good for full capacity stadium or are they going to sit empty?

 

[SalemPats]

They are too soft in CA to like football - the Olympics serves them better

Goodwill should be fired for this, in fact he should be fired for acting and looking like a weasel. He should get deported to Syria

 

[patsfanincleveland]

No critique of your analysis, it sounds right and sound and good, etc.

Wouldn't one think this multi-billion dollar organization would do tons of polling, surveying, analytics, big data, data scientists, Neilson research, jersey sales by locale, etc., etc., to figure out where the fans were and what they wanted?

And even publish this stuff so the fans just don't think it's the whim of an egotist god-king making random decisions with fans and what they like?

Or even consider that you can't just dump a team on a locale and have whatever magic that makes fans work out? If I were to guess, the biggest predictor of a person liking a team is 1) proximity to your house when you were a kid, or 2) liking the team that your dad liked.

As an example, I have a friend who was until recently a Rams fan because he grew up in St. Louis. He moved to the Boston area AT THE BEGINNING OF THE TB/BB PATRIOTS ERA and remained a Rams fan throughout. Now that the Rams moved to LA, he is no longer a Rams fans, despite not living in St. Louis for like 20 years. WTF?

Anyways, if there were one organization who could really understand the weird phenomena of sports fandom, and would have the resources to study it, would be the NFL. And yet it looks like they just make the **** up.

The polling and analysis was completed by Exponent under Kensil's directive.

All that data is currently sitting with all that psi data the league has accumulated.

......just waiting to be published.