Is Brady Entering his final year?

[Ring 6]

I freely admit I wouldn't want to make the decision. But 41 years old is 41 years old. From Bills point of view Brady has 3 years left of top shelf level play. So "if" Bill thinks JG is going to be a good/very good QB and you have to make the decision to keep Brady for 2 more seasons after this one or move on to a younger QB that could keep the franchise in contention for another 10+ years.. I think Bill would go with JG.

But I don't know ****.. and like I said I wouldn't want to make that decision. Can you really see Brady at 43/44 years old still tearing up the NFL? I can't but anything is possible.

You are making an enormous leap from the proven GOAT to saying an unproven backup could step in and replace him.
Brady is playing as well now as ever. You want to dump the GOAT at near his best because you think maybe the guy who played a game and a half might be good?

I will take 3 years of Brady with no clue what comes next over abandoning the GOAT for anyone else.

 

[cupofjoe1962]

His contract is up. You can't tag him to be the backup that is nuts.
No idea what the trade difference will be but it's worth the insurance as a backup this year and safety plan if something goes wrong with Brady in the next 9 months.

It's certainly a better plan than dumping the GOAT for an unproven backup.

I sure hope your right.
Thank you for your opinion

 

[TruthSeeker]

It is fascinating to see so many fans obsessed with the number 40 and so willing to ignore both the performance on the field and all that measurables that show an improving QB.

 

[Ring 6]

It is fascinating to see so many fans obsessed with the number 40 and so willing to ignore both the performance on the field and all that measurables that show an improving QB.

It's also funny that the same people who say we would have zero championships without Brady can't wait to claim he will be dumped for an inexperienced kid.

 

[deroc5050]

You are making an enormous leap from the proven GOAT to saying an unproven backup could step in and replace him.
Brady is playing as well now as ever. You want to dump the GOAT at near his best because you think maybe the guy who played a game and a half might be good?

I will take 3 years of Brady with no clue what comes next over abandoning the GOAT for anyone else.

I have never seen the Patriots ever value the back up QB position in the past? Brian Hoyer, Rohan Davey, Ryan Mallet.. if they were offered 1st round picks and then some for those guys I am sure the Patriots would have traded them away.

So Bill passed up on potentially a 1st and a 2nd rounder for the possibility of Brady going down for this up coming season alone? I find that hard to believe.

What I see is.. JG is the future QB of the Patriots 1 way or the other.

You say if Brady has 3 years left (and thats optimistic imo) then who cares let the cards fall how they will.. and we could go from the best franchise in NFL history to the Miami Dolphins or the Detroit Lions.. or the NY Jets.. If Bill thinks JG is the real deal, Bill will move on with JG and keep the success going long term.

Without a QB you have virtually no chance of success and if you do have any success its for a year or 2 then back to the bottom. Brady has been amazing but his time is short.

 

[Ivan]

I have never seen the Patriots ever value the back up QB position in the past? Brian Hoyer, Rohan Davey, Ryan Mallet.. if they were offered 1st round picks and then some for those guys I am sure the Patriots would have traded them away.

So Bill passed up on potentially a 1st and a 2nd rounder for the possibility of Brady going down for this up coming season alone? I find that hard to believe.

What I see is.. JG is the future QB of the Patriots 1 way or the other.

You say if Brady has 3 years left (and thats optimistic imo) then who cares let the cards fall how they will.. and we could go from the best franchise in NFL history to the Miami Dolphins or the Detroit Lions.. or the NY Jets.. If Bill thinks JG is the real deal, Bill will move on with JG and keep the success going long term.

Without a QB you have virtually no chance of success and if you do have any success its for a year or 2 then back to the bottom. Brady has been amazing but his time is short.

So explain how he keeps getting better?

 

[Ivan]

It is fascinating to see so many fans obsessed with the number 40 and so willing to ignore both the performance on the field and all that measurables that show an improving QB.

They are citing their opinion and completely ignoring the facts. They have been doing this for years, and like Borges , CHB, Kellerman and others they refuse to allow the facts get in the way of their "Cliff."

 

[deroc5050]

So explain how he keeps getting better?

I can't and I am saying Brady has 3 seasons left. When he hits 43 years old it would almost be comical if he was still an MVP candidate.

Brady had 1 of his greatest seasons last year, I have never seen Brady throw the touch passes with the accuracy he did.. ever. But he isn't super human and 3 years is a long time in the NFL and now Brady is going to keep getting better when he hits 40 years old? That doesn't even make sense.

 

[Ring 6]

I have never seen the Patriots ever value the back up QB position in the past? Brian Hoyer, Rohan Davey, Ryan Mallet.. if they were offered 1st round picks and then some for those guys I am sure the Patriots would have traded them away.

Tom Brady is 40 years old.
He outlasted the careers of those players.

So Bill passed up on potentially a 1st and a 2nd rounder for the possibility of Brady going down for this up coming season alone? I find that hard to believe.

You have no idea what he "passed up".
You have no idea if he will get just as much next year as was really on the table this year.

He only has this season alone. I'm sure if JAG was under contract for 3 additional years he would keep him for them too.

Not sure why it is so hard to understand that if you think you have a potential heir on your roster and your QB is 40 you keep him around in case. Brady will hit the wall at some point. But BB isn't going to drive him into the wall. If you can have JAG around when that happens great. If not there will be someone else.

What I see is.. JG is the future QB of the Patriots 1 way or the other.

So you are cutting Brady after this year when he plays as well as he did last? You would cut the GOAT after winning 3 of 4 SBs? Ok.

You say if Brady has 3 years left (and thats optimistic imo) then who cares let the cards fall how they will.. and we could go from the best franchise in NFL history to the Miami Dolphins or the Detroit Lions.. or the NY Jets.. If Bill thinks JG is the real deal, Bill will move on with JG and keep the success going long term.

The cards will fall similarly after Brady is done whether you have JAG or a different QB. They will now fall similarly for the remaining years you have away the GOAT for.

Without a QB you have virtually no chance of success and if you do have any success its for a year or 2 then back to the bottom. Brady has been amazing but his time is short.

And the patriots need to bleed every drop of it they can get.
Brady is a one in a lifetime player.
It's beyond ridiculous to consider dumping him at near the top of his game because you are afraid to lose a guy who may never amount to anything.

In your scenario you cut Brady, we go 6-10 for 3 years then start all over again looking for a new QB. That worked out well.

 

[PatriotsReign]

Bullsh.t. I believe your more recent post that you started the thread to aggravate people. You guys made the exact same argument in October of 2014, it was BS then and it's BS now, and the fact that he's been the best player in football and won two more Lombardi's since then proves it. Belichick isn't going to dump the best player in the league for a guy who couldn't make it through two games, period.

I just posted what I heard on the radio Ivan the Terrible

Lol!! Why are you getting pissed off when I want him around as much as you do?

RELAX Ivan

 

[deroc5050]

Tom Brady is 40 years old.
He outlasted the careers of those players.


You have no idea what he "passed up".
You have no idea if he will get just as much next year as was really on the table this year.

He only has this season alone. I'm sure if JAG was under contract for 3 additional years he would keep him for them too.

Not sure why it is so hard to understand that if you think you have a potential heir on your roster and your QB is 40 you keep him around in case. Brady will hit the wall at some point. But BB isn't going to drive him into the wall. If you can have JAG around when that happens great. If not there will be someone else.


So you are cutting Brady after this year when he plays as well as he did last? You would cut the GOAT after winning 3 of 4 SBs? Ok.


The cards will fall similarly after Brady is done whether you have JAG or a different QB. They will now fall similarly for the remaining years you have away the GOAT for.


And the patriots need to bleed every drop of it they can get.
Brady is a one in a lifetime player.
It's beyond ridiculous to consider dumping him at near the top of his game because you are afraid to lose a guy who may never amount to anything.

In your scenario you cut Brady, we go 6-10 for 3 years then start all over again looking for a new QB. That worked out well.

I am only guessing as to what I think is going to happen. Just from what I have heard and common sense. Would I like to see Brady retire a Patriot? Yes I would. But if Bill does make the move, I will trust his decision.

Or in my scenario we dump Brady.. Brady goes on to have a couple more seasons of good play and then he retires. In the mean time JG starts to shine and ends up being a top QB in the league. We don't know. The only thing we know for sure is that Brady will be 40, he isn't super human. With BB as head coach and his system in place, that gives JG a huge advantage over just about every other QB in the league.

 

[fightingirish595]

he learned that you have to be sensitive to players that have achieved a certain status with the fanbase. from The Education of a Coach:

I own the book. Memorize the page it's on. 191. Great stuff.

 

[PatriotsReign]

How this team handles Brady might be my breaking point as far as being a fan. 32 years of rooting for them with all my heart. If they do wrong by Brady I'll be at a crossroads.

Here's a question that's harder for me to answer than I realize. The Patriots trade Brady to any team. The following year that team comes to Foxboro to play the Pats. Who do you root for?

Forget all the Kraft drama, forget everything. I think I'd have a hard time not rooting for Tom.

I know I'll always root for his success no matter what. He's shown nothing but class since the day he arrived.

He is my favorite Boston/New England athlete ever. Bird and Bobby Orr are tied for second. I was too young to remember much of Bill Russel. But he has to be near the top with all the champions ships he won

 

[PatriotsReign]

Brady has total control over whether he is the Patriots Quarterback for the next few years by continuing to play as he does. Nothing can happen to happen if he continues as he is...he won't be traded or cut. silly

Hey Mossie poo

 

[Ring 6]

I am only guessing as to what I think is going to happen. Just from what I have heard and common sense. Would I like to see Brady retire a Patriot? Yes I would. But if Bill does make the move, I will trust his decision.

Or in my scenario we dump Brady.. Brady goes on to have a couple more seasons of good play and then he retires. In the mean time JG starts to shine and ends up being a top QB in the league. We don't know. The only thing we know for sure is that Brady will be 40, he isn't super human. With BB as head coach and his system in place, that gives JG a huge advantage over just about every other QB in the league.

How does common sense dictate dumping the best QB of all time while playing as well as he ever has?

How does logic dictate that a guy who has played 6 quarters can take his place with no drop off?
We aren't talking about replacing Ben roethlisberger or Joe flacco we are talking about Tom Brady.

 

[deroc5050]

How does common sense dictate dumping the best QB of all time while playing as well as he ever has?

How does logic dictate that a guy who has played 6 quarters can take his place with no drop off?
We aren't talking about replacing Ben roethlisberger or Joe flacco we are talking about Tom Brady.

Only because he is going to be 40. And then 41 when the decision has to be made. Its not about the 6 quarters that JG played that makes me think Bill is going to head in his direction. Its many other factors.

JG will never be as good as Tom, well I should say there is very small chance that he will ever be as good as Tom.

Its like you have a 15 year old Ferrari or Lamborgini, and you also have a brand new unknown car sitting in the Garage.. Bill has a good idea of what that other car is we don't

If I had it my way I would like Brady to play 2017 and 2018 and then move on to JG unfortunately that would take some drastic decision making.

 

[Ring 6]

Only because he is going to be 40. And then 41 when the decision has to be made. Its not about the 6 quarters that JG played that makes me think Bill is going to head in his direction. Its many other factors.

JG will never be as good as Tom, well I should say there is very small chance that he will ever be as good as Tom.

Its like you have a 15 year old Ferrari or Lamborgini, and you also have a brand new unknown car sitting in the Garage.. Bill has a good idea of what that other car is we don't

If I had it my way I would like Brady to play 2017 and 2018 and then move on to JG unfortunately that would take some drastic decision making.

You assume Brady will turn into something he is not and garappolo will turn into something he has not proven to be.
You have to deal in facts. Tom Brady is the best QB in the NFL and he has shown no signs at all of decline. Until he does it's moronic to give him away.

Whoever you find next is more likely to be better than JAG than JAG is to be a better choice than Brady even at 42.

 

[deroc5050]

You assume Brady will turn into something he is not and garappolo will turn into something he has not proven to be.
You have to deal in facts. Tom Brady is the best QB in the NFL and he has shown no signs at all of decline. Until he does it's moronic to give him away.

Whoever you find next is more likely to be better than JAG than JAG is to be a better choice than Brady even at 42.

I honestly have no idea , JG is an unknown. But he seems to have the physical gifts and with BB and the coaching staff I think he would be fine. Brady is the best of all time, but his time as that top 3 QB could start to dip. I think he will be great this season but after that who knows.

Assumptions- Lets just say Bill thought JG was going to be a very good QB, when his contract is up Brady will be 41. I think we can safely say Bill values JG pretty highly, we don't know exactly what was offered but from the get go we heard that JG was untouchable and it would take 3 1st arounders and 2 2nd rounders to attain him. If thats true, thats very telling.

 

[TheBostonStraggler]

Pretty simple math: Brady and BB are in their golden years within their respective professions. Both are very financially secure. Both break their backs plying their crafts. Both can move on and do nearly anything they want without killing themselves. All of that adds up to each year could be the last for one or both of them.

As to deciphering the mental state of each and whether one or both will hang it up this year?

 

[StockingAnarchyNumber12]

We are talking about trading Brady when he is on the verge of eclipising Jordan as the sports GOAT?

His 4th made him the best QB ever
His 5th made him the best football player ever
His 6th will make him the best sports player ever

Damn, I want to see 7.