Patriots Eagles Super Bowl place in history

[BobDigital]

When you talk about Brady this is probably the super bowl that is brought up the least.

The Rams underdog win, Carolina is remembered fondly as a very good game. The 2 Giant loss heart breakers that both had legendary plays in them that went against the pats (not to mention 19-0 was on the line in one of them). Of course the Seahawks/Faclons come backs will be remembered and talked about for decades by football fans.

However this game which established the dynasty as official feels more like a footnote. Almost like "yeah Brady/BB won that one too!". Why is this game not held in higher esteem?

Is is cause the Eagles weren't good? Nope. They went 13-1 before sitting their starters the rest of the season and then showed themselves to be the class of the NFC with routine looking victories. Just look at them with the eyeball test. The single loss was to the 15-1 Steelers and Philly just had an off game. They clearly were a legit borderline wagon team.

Did they lack big name talent? Nope. McNabb though not a HOF was very good and TO is a top 5 all time WR. Westbrook was a very dangerous duel threat RB at the time. They had a good OL and good support guys to back them up (also TO was clearly healthy that game IDC what he says he looked sharp healed and ready to go. That D was #2 PPG and had lots of talent (5 probowlers on that side of the ball alone).

Was the game not competitive? Nope. It was tight virtually the whole way through. Even when Philly got the ball back with just 46 seconds left at the 4 they still had a chance to tie the game (they had a probowl kicker after all. It was not till McNabb threw up on himself you knew for sure it was over. If they had got a few good passes and gained 55 yards they would have had a chance to tie at least.

So what is the deal?

 

[Kontradiction]

 

[XLIX]

When you talk about Brady this is probably the super bowl that is brought up the least.

The Rams underdog win, Carolina is remembered fondly as a very good game. The 2 Giant loss heart breakers that both had legendary plays in them that went against the pats (not to mention 19-0 was on the line in one of them). Of course the Seahawks/Faclons come backs will be remembered and talked about for decades by football fans.

However this game which established the dynasty as official feels more like a footnote. Almost like "yeah Bready/BB won that one too!". Why is this game not held in higher esteem?

Is is cause the Eagles weren't good? Nope. They went 13-1 before sitting their starters the rest of the season and then showed themselves to be the class of the NFC with routine looking victories. Just look at them with the eyeball test. The single loss was to the 15-1 Steelers and Philly just had an off game. They clearly were a legit borderline wagon team.

Did they lack big name talent? Nope. McNabb though not a HOF was very good and TO is a top 5 all time WR. Westbrook was a very dangerous duel threat RB at the time. They had a good OL and good support guys to back them up (also TO was clearly healthy that game IDC what he says he looked sharp healed and ready to go. That D was #2 and had lots of talent (5 probowlers on that side of the ball alone).

Was the game not competitive? Nope. It was tight virtually the whole way through. Even when Philly got the ball back with just 46 seconds left at the 4 they still had a chance to tie the game (they had a probowl kicker after all. It was not till McNabb threw up on himself you knew for sure it was over. If they had got a few good passes and gained 55 yards they would have had a chance to tie at least.

So what is the deal?

I always considered the Panthers game the "forgotten" Super Bowl; moreso than the Eagles game.

 

[Patriot Missile]

The Freddie Mitchell bowl was a good one. That team was so very balanced on both sides of the ball.

"All he does it talk. He's terrible and you can print that. I was happy when he was in the game."

 

[TB_Helmet]

It was close, but the Pats were up by 2 scores for a lot of the fourth quarter and due to McNabb's "issues", it never felt like the Eagles had a great chance to come back.

Every other Super Bowl they played had a crazy ending where one team went ahead for good in the final 2 minutes. The amount of drama in all of those games is staggering. So maybe that's why the Eagles Super Bowl gets the least amount of attention.

 

[supafly]

It was close, but the Pats were up by 2 scores for a lot of the fourth quarter and due to McNabb's "issues", it never felt like the Eagles had a great chance to come back.

Every other Super Bowl they played had a crazy ending where one team went ahead for good in the final 2 minutes. The amount of drama in all of those games is staggering. So maybe that's why the Eagles Super Bowl gets the least amount of attention.

Agreed, although oddly enough, they beat the number 1 seed from both conferences on the way to the championship that year. When you throw in the high flying Indy Colts who had an exceptional offensive year, it could be argued that 2004 was the most difficult path out of any of them.

 

[supafly]

It was not till McNabb threw up on himself you knew for sure it was over. If they had got a few good passes and gained 55 yards they would have had a chance to tie at least.

Actually, I'm pretty sure that McNabb was throwing up on the earlier drive where they scored to make it a 3 point deficit. Unfortunately for them, it was part of the reason why they were taking up so much clock.

 

[DarrylS]

I will always remember the Eagles SB was an excellent example on how not to manage the clock by McNabb & team. That gave me deep appreciation of how the Patriots value clock management, something that kind of sticks with me when I watch NFL games.. we take it for granted and expect that level of football competence..

 

[stinkypete]

Agreed, although oddly enough, they beat the number 1 seed from both conferences on the way to the championship that year. When you throw in the high flying Indy Colts who had an exceptional offensive year, it could be argued that 2004 was the most difficult path out of any of them.

Agree totally.

For me, the 2004 team is hands down the greatest of the Brady era Patriots teams. The roster was loaded with Patriots "lifers". Both the passing and rushing games were top 5 units, and the defensive front 7 absolutely dominated.

The playoff game vs. Indy was the defining statement of the Belichick 3-4 defense, and the Pittsburgh game was Tom Brady's defining moment for a decade until the last two Super Bowls.

The Philly Super Bowl was like a footnote to the season. Heading into the game it felt like a coronation.

 

[PatsFanSince74]

Good topic. Thanks.

I agree that this was maybe the best BB/TB SB team.

I think the game is "devalued" because of how poorly a very good Eagles team played and coached the game in the fourth quarter. The Eagles brought great talent to the field that day, but McNabb and Reid were in over their heads, the team wasn't physically ready for humid conditions and, in the end, HC and QB choked. It's fortunate for the Pats and unfortunate for the Eagles that a great performance by a rightly maligned TO was overshadowed.

 

[RobertWeathers]

04 was and still is the GoAT team in the BB era.

Iggles were very good but McNabb yacking and Chumley Reid in slow motion may have reduced their perception to a team that caved under the pressure. Make no mistake, that team was loaded. TO was a monster on that day. Top 5 greatest WR performances in SB history.

 

[jmt57]

Even though the Eagles had an excellent team that season, outside of Philly the general sentiment was that the Patriots would once again find a way to win - and also that once again the Eagles would find a way to lose.

Although they were 13-3 and had a top-ten offense as well as defense, it seemed as if it was a surprise to be in that game. After having lost three straight conference championship games it was as if they were happy and content to just be in the Superbowl. By contrast it never felt as though the Patriots were overconfident despite being the defending champions; after beating Indy and Pittsburgh they were all business and focused on winning the next game.

 

[Patsfanin Philly]

I will always remember the Eagles SB was an excellent example on how not to manage the clock by McNabb & team. That gave me deep appreciation of how the Patriots value clock management, something that kind of sticks with me when I watch NFL games.. we take it for granted and expect that level of football competence..

IIRC there was video of Eagles down by ten late in the game meandering down the field as if they were down one score and wanted to burn the clock ( 25 seconds between plays, not getting out of bounds etc) and BB was caught asking upstairs, " they're down by two scores right??" As if he couldn't understand why they were doing thing s so slowly..Then again, having an upfront view of Reid, McNabb and company in Philly, that was par for the course.....

 

[deroc5050]

When you talk about Brady this is probably the super bowl that is brought up the least.

The Rams underdog win, Carolina is remembered fondly as a very good game. The 2 Giant loss heart breakers that both had legendary plays in them that went against the pats (not to mention 19-0 was on the line in one of them). Of course the Seahawks/Faclons come backs will be remembered and talked about for decades by football fans.

However this game which established the dynasty as official feels more like a footnote. Almost like "yeah Brady/BB won that one too!". Why is this game not held in higher esteem?

Is is cause the Eagles weren't good? Nope. They went 13-1 before sitting their starters the rest of the season and then showed themselves to be the class of the NFC with routine looking victories. Just look at them with the eyeball test. The single loss was to the 15-1 Steelers and Philly just had an off game. They clearly were a legit borderline wagon team.

Did they lack big name talent? Nope. McNabb though not a HOF was very good and TO is a top 5 all time WR. Westbrook was a very dangerous duel threat RB at the time. They had a good OL and good support guys to back them up (also TO was clearly healthy that game IDC what he says he looked sharp healed and ready to go. That D was #2 PPG and had lots of talent (5 probowlers on that side of the ball alone).

Was the game not competitive? Nope. It was tight virtually the whole way through. Even when Philly got the ball back with just 46 seconds left at the 4 they still had a chance to tie the game (they had a probowl kicker after all. It was not till McNabb threw up on himself you knew for sure it was over. If they had got a few good passes and gained 55 yards they would have had a chance to tie at least.

So what is the deal?

I think because as fans we sort of got spoiled by that point. And the game wasn't quite as exciting as any of the other Super bowls. TO made some big plays but the Pats especially that year were so good.. even with a 3 point lead you felt comfortable.

I would put the 2011 loss to the Giants at the bottom of the list though. If we are just talking about Patriot Super Bowl appearances.

 

[DarrylS]

IIRC there was video of Eagles down by ten late in the game meandering down the field as if they were down one score and wanted to burn the clock ( 25 seconds between plays, not getting out of bounds etc) and BB was caught asking upstairs, " they're down by two scores right??" As if he couldn't understand why they were doing thing s so slowly..Then again, having an upfront view of Reid, McNabb and company in Philly, that was par for the course.....

This is an important aspect of the game that was taught to me by watching the Pats, I always pay attention to that aspect of the game when I watch other teams, it is either neglected or not able to be executed by other coaches/teams.... as Pats Fans we are conditioned to expect this. All part of situational football.

 

[Froob]

Actually, I'm pretty sure that McNabb was throwing up on the earlier drive where they scored to make it a 3 point deficit. Unfortunately for them, it was part of the reason why they were taking up so much clock.

McNabb still denies that happened lol.

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[Patsfanin Philly]

This is an important aspect of the game that was taught to me by watching the Pats, I always pay attention to that aspect of the game when I watch other teams, it is either neglected or not able to be executed by other coaches/teams.... as Pats Fans we are conditioned to expect this. All part of situational football.

Another belated Reid story. Eagles were playing a home game vs Wash, down by 8 late in the game and they score aTD.. He had to call a timeout to decide what play to run for the two point conversion... Seriously, you don't think of that before knowing you need it at some point or have a package ready to go?? Instead he had to burn a timeout that could have been important later.. That in a nutshell was difference between Philly and NE.

 

[patriot1136]

All I know is this super bowl needs to be replayed more on NFL network

 

[denverpatsfan]

If Corey Dillon doesn't fumble this game is a blowout. That being said that Eagles team had a phenomenal season. I think they rested starters at the end of the season which account for 1 or 2 losses. One of TO's big catch and runs was due to a Freddy Mitchell pick. Was that pick illegal and just ignored by the refs? Take that play away and he still has a great game but they might not score on that drive. Best memory from that game other than winning was the Paul McCartney half-time show.

 

[billikens]

If you remember, that was the season when the 21 game winning streak was broken at Pittsburgh on Halloween, then we got our revenge in the AFC game. That team was loaded, and the 03 and 04 Patriots were two rock-solid, repeat championship teams. But I think that's the problem. Those two seasons/Superbowls are lumped into each other instead of being celebrated as the last of the rare phenomenon known as a Superbowl repeat. To me, the Panthers game was special because it was our second Superbowl and showed 2001 wasn't a fluke, and the Eagles game was special because as I said before a rare repeat but also out third, and three in four years to boot. All very notable, but unfortunately maybe taken for granted.