Patriots trade for WR Brandin Cooks (NO BUTLER INVOLVED). Gave up 1st & 3rd rounder for Cooks + 4th

[The Scrizz]

So is it safe to say that BB is making up for the extra 5 weeks that other teams had to get ready for the off-season?

 

[pherein]

Just to know his talent. I have rarey seen a guy play with other guys like they are children. I think that says everything, Cooks does that. Thats what you just got, and what BB smartly paid for.
Ill rem that dislike when you buy #10 Jersey next year ok

 

[Tunescribe]

Tunes pal , just saying, spend time watching this kid and you will see what BB saw.

Don't get me wrong -- I don't need to be sold on him, I'm sure he'll be great. I just think the Pats already were reasonably set at WR and have greater areas of need to which those draft picks could've been applied.

 

[Hammer of Thor]

Kind of funny to think of who brady was throwing to in 2013 and the riches he will have next year.

You never know what to expect from belichick. Trading first rounders for legit wrs and giving big contracts to cornerbacks seems so out of line from where he was a few years ago

It really feels like they are going all in. Has shades of 2007

One thing I had wondered off and on the last 10 years - if the Pats don't blow the AFC title game against the Colts in 2006 and go on to win the Super Bowl, does the talent influx of 2007 happen? (Moss, Welker, Stallworth, Thomas).

I think I have a clear answer now.

 

[pherein]

Don't get me wrong -- I don't need to be sold on him, I'm sure he'll be great. I just think the Pats already were reasonably set at WR and have greater areas of need to which those draft picks could've been applied.

yeah its difficult thinking of the options
You happy and stooked ? or you want the trades back ?
I think Jimmy gets you a #1 draft and BB already figured that out or would never have made the deal. Id say JG is gone %100 now.

 

[Tunescribe]

yeah its difficult thinking of the options
You happy and stooked ? or you want the trades back ?
I think Jimmy gets you a #1 draft and BB already figured that out or would never have made the deal. Id say JG is gone %100 now.

I hope not. I've been holding out hope that somehow JG will hang on as Brady's successor.

 

[pherein]

I hope not. I've been holding out hope that somehow JG will hang on as Brady's successor.

yeah its what im hopping also or you give him to us

 

[scott99]

Haven't posted in this thread. Just wanted to say that it was a great trade. There is no guarantee that you will get a Brandin Cooks type of receiver at # 32. Cooks is the real deal and has proven himself already. Elite speed, excellent hands, excellent route runner.

This is a home run threat every time he touches the ball. This is our Antonio Brown, our Odell Beckham Jr. Sure, he's not as good as those guys. But his first 3 years are better than what Brown did. He averages 81 catches per 16 games. Averages a little under 1000 yards per 16 games. And it's only under 1000 yards because I included his injury shortened rookie season. His last 2 years he's averaged over 1100 yards.

Now, I expect these averages to go down, because we still have a ****load of weapons at the WR/TE and RB slot. But no reason to believe he won't catch 60+ passes for 800+ yards and 8+ TDs on average for the next 5-7 years (if we extend him, which I expect, he's only 24 when the season starts).

 

[scott99]

I hope not. I've been holding out hope that somehow JG will hang on as Brady's successor.

I'm a big JG fan, I think he can be the real deal. And I'm fine with whatever BB does with him.

 

[Tunescribe]

I'm a big JG fan, I think he can be the real deal. And I'm fine with whatever BB does with him.

I think we'll have no other choice.

 

[scott99]

I think we'll have no other choice.

Meaning I trust whatever the coach with 5 rings does.

 

[pherein]

Haven't posted in this thread. Just wanted to say that it was a great trade. There is no guarantee that you will get a Brandin Cooks type of receiver at # 32. Cooks is the real deal and has proven himself already. Elite speed, excellent hands, excellent route runner.

This is a home run threat every time he touches the ball. This is our Antonio Brown, our Odell Beckham Jr. Sure, he's not as good as those guys. But his first 3 years are better than what Brown did. He averages 81 catches per 16 games. Averages a little under 1000 yards per 16 games. And it's only under 1000 yards because I included his injury shortened rookie season. His last 2 years he's averaged over 1100 yards.

Now, I expect these averages to go down, because we still have a ****load of weapons at the WR/TE and RB slot. But no reason to believe he won't catch 60+ passes for 800+ yards and 8+ TDs on average for the next 5-7 years (if we extend him, which I expect, he's only 24 when the season starts).

Very nice 1st post

 

[PatsBoy12]

Haven't posted in this thread. Just wanted to say that it was a great trade. There is no guarantee that you will get a Brandin Cooks type of receiver at # 32. Cooks is the real deal and has proven himself already. Elite speed, excellent hands, excellent route runner.

This is a home run threat every time he touches the ball. This is our Antonio Brown, our Odell Beckham Jr. Sure, he's not as good as those guys. But his first 3 years are better than what Brown did. He averages 81 catches per 16 games. Averages a little under 1000 yards per 16 games. And it's only under 1000 yards because I included his injury shortened rookie season. His last 2 years he's averaged over 1100 yards.

Now, I expect these averages to go down, because we still have a ****load of weapons at the WR/TE and RB slot. But no reason to believe he won't catch 60+ passes for 800+ yards and 8+ TDs on average for the next 5-7 years (if we extend him, which I expect, he's only 24 when the season starts).

My only question is would he be okay with the reduced targets based on what I read about him in NO. The ball gets spread around a bit more in NE.

 

[PatsFanInVa]

The Brand(o/i/e)n position is secure. Looking good at Malco(l)m as well.

Patriots win the offseason.

 

[PatsFanInVa]

Wait, what's the Rutgers count?

 

[manxman2601]

Wait, what's the Rutgers count?

That's so 2013. Arizona State is where it's at in 2016-17. Four signed.

 

[zoostation]

Don't get me wrong -- I don't need to be sold on him, I'm sure he'll be great. I just think the Pats already were reasonably set at WR and have greater areas of need to which those draft picks could've been applied.

Are we talking about the same trade? This trade was an absolute steal. The Patriots have not had a receiver with Cook's skill set since 2009. This deal allows the aging receiving core to continue to perform at the same level only with less touches. Less touches will likely increase the odds of having a healthy Edelman, Hogan or maybe even Amendola in the playoffs the next few years. Greater area of needs is thrown out the window when a deal like this is on the table. And really the Patriots did not give up picks with an "s". They stole Cook for the 32nd pick and to make it not a 100% total embarrassment to New Orleans the Pats swapped the 103 pick for the 118th pick (a whopping net loss of 15). PEANUTS! This is the ultimate example of a no lose situation. What need could possibly outweigh the positives this steal provides? We all forget the Pats offense stumbled against Houston early in the division series and it looked like they really missed Gronk. This trade fixes that. Rejoice !

 

[Tunescribe]

yeah its difficult thinking of the options You happy and stooked ? or you want the trades back ?

Speaking only theoretically here: Let's say BB kept the first-rounder and used it on a young stud linebacker who would start for the next five years, then found a running back with the other pick who supplanted Blount, or a promising OT. I'm not anti-Cooks by any stretch, but I'd rather have that. Of course, we'll never know and draft choices are a crapshoot anyway.

Are we talking about the same trade? This trade was an absolute steal. The Patriots have not had a receiver with Cook's skill set since 2009. This deal allows the aging receiving core to continue to perform at the same level only with less touches. Less touches will likely increase the odds of having a healthy Edelman, Hogan or maybe even Amendola in the playoffs the next few years. Greater area of needs is thrown out the window when a deal like this is on the table. And really the Patriots did not give up picks with an "s". They stole Cook for the 32nd pick and to make it not a 100% total embarrassment to New Orleans the Pats swapped the 103 pick for the 118th pick (a whopping net loss of 15). PEANUTS! This is the ultimate example of a no lose situation. What need could possibly outweigh the positives this steal provides? We all forget the Pats offense stumbled against Houston early in the division series and it looked like they really missed Gronk. This trade fixes that. Rejoice !

See the above. Your point about 103 vs. 118 picks is a valid one and I do hope Cooks is the big difference maker everyone expects.

 

[manxman2601]

Speaking only theoretically here: Let's say BB kept the first-rounder and used it on a young stud linebacker who would start for the next five years, then found a running back with the other pick who supplanted Blount, or a promising OT. I'm not anti-Cooks by any stretch, but I'd rather have that. Of course, we'll never know and draft choices are a crapshoot anyway.

That assumes those players are there. There are some good linebackers although I'm not convinced they're studs but they are also small by BB's standards. Ie in the 230lb range.

 

[rochrist]

Cousins,

No one has mentioned this as I see it. BB Drafted Deion Branch. I believe it hurt BB and Brady when he left (both on the field and pride). It hurt Branch's career as well.
Cooks is almost the same size comparable 3 cones and vertical jump. Cooks is a tenth faster but they are of the same type. I believe Branch player both outside and the slot.
Is Cooks the Branch clone the Pats used to win a Super Bowl with? Does BB envision him to work to field like Branch did?
Just a thought.

Would it be unlike BB to eschew the whole Draft to show Park Ave. "We Don't Need Your Stinking Draft Picks" That would be a great story line. We will trade for ready players rather than "definite maybes" in this Draft to show the NFL he can!

The thought process there is that the majority of picks, if they work out (17%) don't mature for a few years (ripen) .....Just in time as Brady says bye,bye.
Example: Clowney, Pryor, Pats-Jimmy G, Pat Chung, Matt Light etc.

Example: You need OLB Help. The Eagles are dangling Mychal Kendricks who is still young and great in coverage for a fifth Rounder. He is a ready player. There are many more out there that might be better than a pick. You are Drafting from other Teams not kids that...who knows.
DW Toys

4.33 vs 4.47 is fairly substantial when you're talking 40 yd dash and the NFL. One of those is a legitimate deep threat, able to purely run away from DBs, the other not so much. Deion never had a thousand yard season in his career. Cooks has done it the last two years, and two out of the three he's been in the league.