Rapaport: Hightower "exploring, but open to returning to the Patriots"

[Edelmania]

sorry you are losing me. your opinion not fact.

Lol. IDK whats so hard to understand about paying somebody more than their worth is overpaying. Butler would not agree to a contract that is for less than he is worth.

 

[captain insano]

Lol. IDK whats so hard to understand about paying somebody more than their worth is overpaying. Butler would not agree to a contract that is for less than he is worth.

i never said anything about what butler would or wouldn't take. who's to say what butler is worth? you? other teams? how do you know what's a overpay? based on what? you are speculating. that's fine. but what you say is a overpay is your opinion, not fact. i believe there is a legit chance a team gives up a 1st rd pick and locks up butler to a market value deal. call me crazy. geez.

 

[Edelmania]

i never said anything about what butler would or wouldn't take. who's to say what butler is worth? you? other teams? how do you know what's a overpay? based on what? you are speculating. that's fine. but what you say is a overpay is your opinion, not fact.

I'm not speculating on what he is worth, I never gave a number... All I am saying is that a team would have to pay Butler what he thinks he is worth for him to accept the offer sheet. Now giving a player what he is worth, whatever that number may be, and then throwing in a first round pick on top of it is overpaying by definition.

Im done arguing, you are insano. It really doesnt matter anyway because no team is going to overpay that much for Butler especially with this loaded FA & Draft class of defensive backs. And yes, this last paragraph is an opinion.

 

[PatsFan2]

Well when I did his math the $40m guaranteed gets him $13.3m over the first 3 years of the deal . That seems like his market.

They might sprinkle in some other $ in there to get it to $14m for the average for the 1st 3 years.

At the end of the day the guaranteed up-front $ are all that matters.

I think 13Mill a year is perfect for Hightower if he wants or gets more elsewhere see ya man thanks for all you have done. I only hope BB and Co is not stuck on $12 Mill.

 

[Jimke]

The 10 mil. offer to Hightower before the season began was the Patriot's last, best
offer. What is going on now is a charade to make the fans think they are negotiating.

 

[Froob]

I am gonna really miss blount interesting to see how his production goes with another team.

I'm not convinced he's leaving. Why would a team trust him to behave?

 

[Rob0729]

I always thought he would do the McCourty thing and shop himself and let the Pats have one last chance to make a competitive offer once he got his other offers.

 

[hornetfb85]

Dora?

The explora?

 

[Bruins29]

The 10 mil. offer to Hightower before the season began was the Patriot's last, best
offer. What is going on now is a charade to make the fans think they are negotiating.

And just think, you wasted 4392 posts and over 10 years on a forum devoted to a team you can never say anything nice about. Ummmm get a life maybe?

 

[JMC00]

The 10 mil. offer to Hightower before the season began was the Patriot's last, best
offer. What is going on now is a charade to make the fans think they are negotiating.

Except there is no charade. Every report has said Pats are letting him go see his market. Pats don't bid against themselves. This is the same exact thing they did with McCourty.

Guess doom-and-gloomers gonna doom-and-gloom

 

[kennyb]

If a team gets butler, they arent necessarily overpaying. Butler may accept a much lower contract due to injury risk etc in the coming year. 80% of the market rate would be better for him than the one year tender plus market rate plus injury risk. Depends on his mindset what he accepts.

 

[PatriotsPimp136]

I hope we keep our draft picks. I actually like some of the talent in this draft especially on the defensive side of the ball.

 

[kennyb]

Lol. IDK whats so hard to understand about paying somebody more than their worth is overpaying. Butler would not agree to a contract that is for less than he is worth.

He might. If he's injured in training camp and cut he goes back to mississippi with a million dollars,after taxes maybe. A contract well below market that guaranteed him 20m...that's set for life money. All about utility.

 

[Gronk]

I think he should get whatever is fair. As a couple other posters have mentioned, I hope they don't arbitrarily set a number of (say 12.5) and see him sign elsewhere for 12.95. Its fair to see/say that they can't and shouldn't overpay, but short of something totally ******ed over the next 4 years I don't think they can. His versatility, leadership, and production are not nearly as easily replicated or replaced as some other positions we've seen turned over. Hes in the Seymour/VW cateogory of worth overpaying a little for. Theyre in no way ready to replace him (unless...JG trade and big draft moves). Nobody they can draft or sign keeps them on the same level on D. Ergo...sign that beast.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Except there is no charade. Every report has said Pats are letting him go see his market. Pats don't bid against themselves. This is the same exact thing they did with McCourty.

Guess doom-and-gloomers gonna doom-and-gloom

In all fairness they have earned the right, it's been weeks since they won a Super Bowl and the Patriots would have lost had they used Arizona rules where games are only 45 minutes.

 

[XLIX]

No actually, it is a fact. Paying somebody what he is worth (the contract a team would be offering) + more (the draft pick) is overpay.
The more would be the overpay.

By definition paying someone more than he is worth is overpaying.

EDIT: And Butler wouldnt accept a contract that is less than what he is worth.

The problem with this logic is there is no one single universally agreed upon number regarding what he is worth. Using completely hypothetical numbers....

Suppose some other team thinks he is worth $65 million on the open market but the Patriots think he is only worth $50 million on the open market. So this other team says "ok he's worth $65 million on the open market but since it'll cost us a 1st rounder, we will only offer $55 million."

$55 million > $50 million

 

[patfanken]

If a team gets butler, they arent necessarily overpaying. Butler may accept a much lower contract due to injury risk etc in the coming year. 80% of the market rate would be better for him than the one year tender plus market rate plus injury risk. Depends on his mindset what he accepts.

you obviously forgot that any offer to a RFA comes with the original team getting a chance to match the offer. So it would be a no brainer for the Pats to match if he accepted an 80% of market deal

 

[AtomicDawg]

Hmm, indeed.

 

[PatsBoy12]

The 10 mil. offer to Hightower before the season began was the Patriot's last, best
offer. What is going on now is a charade to make the fans think they are negotiating.

I completely disagree. Charade for the fans? I never heard that before in reference to this team.

 

[Deus Irae]

Lol. IDK whats so hard to understand about paying somebody more than their worth is overpaying. Butler would not agree to a contract that is for less than he is worth.

The problem with your position is that you're making a category error.