Pats not trading Garoppolo - Schefter

[NormZauchin]

Not many teams have the management and coaching smarts of the Patriots. That's why the other teams are " Also Rans" every season wishing it was their team in the hunt for a Lombardi and saying " If Only" ......

Or "also Rams."

 

[bruce_w]

The poster is drunk and seeing double.

His father. Use your head for $$%%^ sake.

 

[resdubwhite]

rappaport reported that so I doubt its hot air.

why would that be hot air, but not that the patriots absolutley wont trade jimmy g?

I doubt there's anyone leaking a Tommy re up. The last 2 or 3 contract negotiations have come out of the blue.
As our Jimmy. It's highly likely he's going. All I reason is that the asking price hasn't been met yet.

 

[NormZauchin]

Well Giselle reportedly ask her husband to retire three times after the super bowl, maybe theres something up. Just sayin, you never know.

Now if Giselle told Garoppolo that he would have the QB job in 2018, that would be a story.

 

[RIpats88]

Ya, I agree its likely this is because the asking price hasnt been met. pats want a first and a 4th. with the way compensatory picks work you let Jimmy G go and we get a 3rd rounder anyway. so the value of having a competent backup is worth more than a few draft spots from 2nd round pick to 3rd round pick.

now you start offering a high first rounder and other picks now you are talking.

I dont quite get the rampant obsession with Jimmy here. he was great for 5 1/2 quarters. but that is all we saw of him in real game action. and he got hurt on a hit brady takes every game...he "could" be a good quarterback, or he could matt cassell. a competent starter who was perfect in the pats system but didn't do much elsewhere. not sure I want to jettison the GOAT who could win a 6th superbowl next year over an unknown.

we saw nick foles go out there throw 27tds and 2 picks and now he is a backup QB who was cut. the NFL is funny like that.

in a way it was a blessing because if he goes out there and stinks it up against buffalo or the texans likely teamas arent fawing over him

 

[QuantumMechanic]

BTW- it just occurred to me. Since Roger stole the Seattle 4th round pick from us, what would happen if the Pats get a 4th round pick in trade, to they take that one too, or do they give us back the Seattle pick and take the one that's higher. Just a thought

The punishment is the highest single pick in the round. If NE trades for a higher pick in the round then that becomes the stolen one and the Seattle one is freed. Just like NE's own pick is freed already.

 

[ScottishPatriots]

I can't believe there are actually people deluded enough here to think Jimmy is gonna sign a new contract to spend another 5 years as a backup, the 8 year backup

He's never signing a new deal while Brady is here, he's leaving in 12 months for a 2nd rounder or a comp pick.

Bill if this is not a smokescreen to up the ante is telling you he thinks Brady is closer to being done than Brady thinks he is, no reason to keep Garoppolo if you believe Brady can play 4-5 more years like everyone seems to believe.

I don't care if he thinks he's a franchise QB, in 12 months either Jimmy or Brady have to be gone.

 

[JarOfMayo51]

What ASTOUNDS me is that Schecter comes out with a report from "a league source" and suddenly, the longer this thread run, people are treating it as if it were gospel, like it came from BB himself.

BTW- to day NO ONE has come up with a reasonable scenario that supports the Pats carrying a $50MM cap charge in 2018 at QB.

BTW-2 People who say, "how can you not keep a future franchise QB when your starter is 40 yrs old". Well I'll tell you when. When that QB is still better than the "future franchise QB"

BTW-3 - It's like some people believe that the same QB who threw for closse to 500 yds in the superbowl will suddenly lose it overnight. Brady's skills WILL deterorate, but it will be a much slower process than some people believe. Because his game doesn't rely so much on the physical, he is more likely to lose his will and focus, before his arm dies. IMHO, IF Brady trains and plays with the same maniacal will and drive he has now, he will STILL be a better QB than JG 3 years from now.

Yea, he's physically in better shape than he was at 22 years old... He's stronger and faster, so even when he starts declining physically, he'll decline to what he was coming out of College... with 20 more years of experience

 

[DarMan]

Can a league source work for the Patriots?

No they are all working for the Jets

 

[PatriotSpy]

I'd rather Jimmy left after next year than get a pick that we'll use to trade down for guys that might not even turn out good.

Brady's physical skills have declined over the past 3 years. That is a fact. He's physically going to decline next year. We all want to be naive and think he can keep this up but realistically he's not.

 

[bruce_w]

I can't believe there are actually people deluded enough here to think Jimmy is gonna sign a new contract to spend another 5 years as a backup, the 8 year backup

He's never signing a new deal while Brady is here, he's leaving in 12 months for a 2nd rounder or a comp pick.

Bill if this is not a smokescreen to up the ante is telling you he thinks Brady is closer to being done than Brady thinks he is, no reason to keep Garoppolo if you believe Brady can play 4-5 more years like everyone seems to believe.

I don't care if he thinks he's a franchise QB, in 12 months either Jimmy or Brady have to be gone.

Brady will probably play another 4-5 years but it won't be at the highest level. Time catches everyone and human nature also. Can he push as hard? After such a great accomplishment? It is Jimmy G's situation that will push this more than Tom's. The team comes first, even before Tom Brady.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Most of the good QB's who have played in the NFL started out as back ups, including Kurt Warner who just got in the HOF. The short list I gave were the rule not the exception, so I don't buy your argument that JG is just a "back up".

Now I'm of the belief that some sort of #1 pick plus others SHOULD be the deal they can accept simply because THAT is what the market seems to be for a QB you project to be likely to become your franchise guy. Just look at what teams have already done to get to that guy. From RGIII to the Vikings QB, so why not JG. Also JG's value is inflated this year because of the existence of a very weak QB class. With the exception perhaps Shanahan, any HC who picks a QB high in the first round is unlikely to still be there when and if that QB ever pans out.

I don't think any fan base who roots for a team that desperately needs a QB would rather have some college kid (at any position) than JG. Maybe the 2nd or 3rd pick might be enough, but any lower IMHO would require additional picks.

And as I've said the most doable deal I see, is to the Bears for the 34th pick this year and a 3rd or 4th, plus their first and 7th next year.

BTW- it just occurred to me. Since Roger stole the Seattle 4th round pick from us, what would happen if the Pats get a 4th round pick in trade, to they take that one too, or do they give us back the Seattle pick and take the one that's higher. Just a thought

Ken, right now he's a back up, and that's what I said. Whether or not he becomes a good player is yet to be determined. I also said a top fifteen pick is fair compensation for him? So I'm not sure what your issue is?

If Jimmy Garrapolo wants to take a clipboard Jesus deal that pays him 6-8 million a season until Brady hangs them up in all for it, if he doesn't
Then trading him now for a high 1st round pick makes sense

 

[NormZauchin]

BB wants to stay coaching after Brady. This is a gamble on his part to be labeled a failure without Brady. QB is the most important part of success.

If he feels he can get a few players this year and a high enough pick next year to pick up Brady's possible replacement with foresight into next years QB class. He moves JG. Brissette can play into this equation if they truly believe in him.

Otherwise he keeps JG. Franchises or signs him long term next year. We know this is not BB's normal philosophy. But he always does what is best for the team now and long term. He will not coach a average QB and think he can win consistently. He also loves history of the NFL. The only teams that moved on from Great QB's and kept winning were Young and Rodgers.

The Cowboys kept winning after Roger Staubach retired and was replaced by Danny White, who was 62-30 (better winning percentage than Troy Aikman) and made the playoffs five times.

 

[Snake Eyes]

Brady's physical skills have declined over the past 3 years. That is a fact. He's physically going to decline next year. We all want to be naive and think he can keep this up but realistically he's not.

This is based on what, exactly? His stats?

 

[NormZauchin]

"Take Your Hands Off Jimmy, Don't Touch Jimmy"

 

[Guts]

I'd rather Jimmy left after next year than get a pick that we'll use to trade down for guys that might not even turn out good.

Brady's physical skills have declined over the past 3 years. That is a fact. He's physically going to decline next year. We all want to be naive and think he can keep this up but realistically he's not.

Dude he runs faster than ever, his fastball is a straight bullet to receivers, and his pocket movement is off the charts if anything he has improved these past few years.

 

[BUSTAMOVE]

The Cowboys kept winning after Roger Staubach retired and was replaced by Danny White, who was 62-30 (better winning percentage than Troy Aikman) and made the playoffs five times.

It is not impossible. BB is the GOAT. I just think he would want a good QB if he coaches after Brady. If he loves JG he stays. If he think there is better value trading him. He will do that. I just feel JG has a good chance to stay here.

 

[meatface]

I have no idea why people are taking this as gospel.

 

[meatface]

Dude he runs faster than ever, his fastball is a straight bullet to receivers, and his pocket movement is off the charts if anything he has improved these past few years.

shhhh, dont disrupt their narrative with evidence. Brady is basically a corpse and they are just lucky BB has been able to mask it, after all Brady is just a system QB

 

[deroc5050]

people are nuts if they think Brady's last year AS A PATRIOT is 2017.. He is retiring here, and it's not soon enough for Jimmy to be the heir. However, I am all for them getting TOP picks for Jimmy or let him walk in a year, or F it cap him in 2018...

Its not how the world works. I will say Brady might be the exception but.. when JG's contract is up Brady will enter the season as a 41 year old QB and JG will be 26. IF and thats a big IF Bill thinks JG is a franchise QB.. its not that obvious.

Brady looked fantastic and probably would have won the MVP if he played in all 16 games in 2016. However we have no idea when his play drops off. I know this might sound irrelevant but I am worried about Brady's wife also. If all goes really well for Brady and the Patriots you can optimistically say Brady has 3 years left of top shelf QB play. 40 years, 41 years, and 42 year old Brady could still be MVP candidate for those 3 years... which is amazing. I think he retires at 43. Brady is going to start hitting a wall at some point.

This is all guessing obviously.