Pats 4th round pick this draft

[sb1]

I assume the NFL stole the one they got via trade with SEA and they keep their own, the 31st pick in that round. Is this right?

Or do they get SEA's and lose theirs?

 

[Simpelton]

I would be more inclined to assume they'd lose the native pick, but I don't know that.

 

[FreeTedWilliams]

They lose whichever pick is lower (numerically) so as of today it would be the Seattle pick. The Pats are prohibited from trading their own pick. So I can only assume that BB will move that Seattle pick sometime before day 3 of the draft and just let Goodell have the 32nd pick. Plus don't forget the Giants pick gets moved down to the end of the round (so I guess the Pats pick would then be pick #31 of the fourth round).

 

[The Gr8est]

The NFL* takes the highest one, so that is the Seattle pick currently.

That will probably be the one taken since the NFL* bastages really rigged it against the Pats, to the point that it will prevent the Pats from trading up for a sliding player since that pick would instantly be confiscated.

That clause really shows how loathsome and petty the NFL* leadership is.

Other fans just think the Pats lost a 1st and a 4th, but it was more crippling than that as the NFL* really tied the Pats' hands.

 

[VrabelMayeWin]

They lose whichever pick is lower (numerically) so as of today it would be the Seattle pick.

You're right but need to word it correctly, we lose the higher pick which is Seattle's. So we have our own #4. Higher or lower is always stated for draft purposes as "higher means picks earlier". Referring to it numerically will cause massive confusion.

 

[Gumby]

The NFL* takes the highest one, so that is the Seattle pick currently.

That will probably be the one taken since the NFL* bastages really rigged it against the Pats, to the point that it will prevent the Pats from trading up for a sliding player since that pick would instantly be confiscated.

That clause really shows how loathsome and petty the NFL* leadership is.

Other fans just think the Pats lost a 1st and a 4th, but it was more crippling than that as the NFL* really tied the Pats' hands.

Unless you trade the sea pick + something to move up to the 3d, then the 32d 4th to someone else to get back the later round pick.

SO, Then what happens when we don't have any 4ths anymore???

(ps: I know nyjfl gets a vote on approving trades and would kill one of above or would just take the 3d for spite)

 

[VrabelMayeWin]

The NFL* takes the highest one, so that is the Seattle pick currently.

That will probably be the one taken since the NFL* bastages really rigged it against the Pats, to the point that it will prevent the Pats from trading up for a sliding player since that pick would instantly be confiscated.

That clause really shows how loathsome and petty the NFL* leadership is.

Other fans just think the Pats lost a 1st and a 4th, but it was more crippling than that as the NFL* really tied the Pats' hands.

It would really screw us if there's a surprise and the Browns don't get a 3rd round comp for Alex Mack. We're getting that for Collins. If it turns out that they get a 4th round comp then we're stuck with the Browns' #4 NEXT year, we couldn't just take their 4th this year as we would, in essence, get Seattle's 4th as the highest #4 would be stolen.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Unless you trade the sea pick + something to move up to the 3d, then the 32d 4th to someone else to get back the later round pick.

SO, Then what happens when we don't have any 4ths anymore???

The terms of the penalty specifically prohibit the Patriots from trading the pick the NFL would confiscate (i.e., they can trade their own 4 right now, but they can't trade Seattle's).

 

[Gumby]

The big question to me is Will RK or JK start trying to work up some media to troll the nfl /or themselves attack them about giving the pick back, writing articles asking Why not, what evidence did you ever have??

 

[VrabelMayeWin]

Unless you trade the sea pick + something to move up to the 3d, then the 32d 4th to someone else to get back the later round pick.

SO, Then what happens when we don't have any 4ths anymore???

We can't trade the picks :

NFL releases statement on Patriots' violations

For the violation of the playing rules and the failure to cooperate in the subsequent investigation, the New England Patriots are fined $1 million and will forfeit the club's first-round selection in the 2016 NFL Draft and the club's fourth-round selection in the 2017 NFL Draft. If the Patriots have more than one selection in either of these rounds, the earlier selection shall be forfeited. The club may not trade or otherwise encumber these selections.

 

[VrabelMayeWin]

The big question to me is Will RK or JK start trying to work up some media to troll the nfl /or themselves attack them about giving the pick back, writing articles asking Why not, what evidence did you ever have??

Nope. It's over. Thankfully we won yet another SB despite the NFL's best efforts.

 

[FreeTedWilliams]

Unless you trade the sea pick + something to move up to the 3d, then the 32d 4th to someone else to get back the later round pick.

SO, Then what happens when we don't have any 4ths anymore???

(ps: I know nyjfl gets a vote on approving trades and would kill one of above or would just take the 3d for spite)

The Pats are prohibited from trading their 4th round pick.

 

[Hammer of Thor]

The Pats are prohibited from trading their 4th round pick.

See post 10. They're prohibited from trading whichever pick is being taken from them. So they can't trade the Seattle pick now. If they acquire another earlier 4th round pick, that pick will be taken and prohibited from trade, while the Seattle pick would then be eligible for trading again.

 

[VrabelMayeWin]

See post 10. They're prohibited from trading whichever pick is being taken from them. So they can't trade the Seattle pick now. If they acquire another earlier 4th round pick, that pick will be taken and prohibited from trade, while the Seattle pick would then be eligible for trading again.

It's not worded the best but it means we can't trade our own #4 to ensure we have one to be stolen. However if we happen to acquire a higher one, that higher one is stolen instead. I assume we can trade our own #4 immediately after the Seattle pick (owned by us) is stolen.

 

[The Brandon Five]

The Pats are prohibited from trading their 4th round pick.

Has this ever been done before? What the heck?

For an equipment violation. Goodell can't be disgraced and forced to resign too soon. Bob, what are your PI's waiting for? Just release the pics of him with that midget and the sheep already.

 

[Sfpat]

It's why any trade for JG will not include a 2017 4th round pick. It would just be confiscated.

 

[deroc5050]

The terms of the penalty specifically prohibit the Patriots from trading the pick the NFL would confiscate (i.e., they can trade their own 4 right now, but they can't trade Seattle's).

Are you sure about this?

 

[jmt57]

When the Patriots made the draft pick trade with Seattle a year ago, BB was in essence saying to the nyjfl 'screw you; you want to steal a draft pick it will be our 5th, not our 4th'.

 

[neuronet]

F Goodell.

 

[The Gr8est]

They lose whichever pick is lower (numerically) so as of today it would be the Seattle pick. The Pats are prohibited from trading their own pick. So I can only assume that BB will move that Seattle pick sometime before day 3 of the draft and just let Goodell have the 32nd pick. Plus don't forget the Giants pick gets moved down to the end of the round (so I guess the Pats pick would then be pick #31 of the fourth round).

I like the idea of trading Seattle's 4th round pick, but now that it is in the Pat's control, and is their highest pick in the round, can they even trade it?

If it turns out they can't trade it it would be worth thd effort just so that everyone could see the NFL* step in and nullify the trade, just to bring attention to it and allow everyone to see how petty and vindictive the whole Defamegate was.