Something very small i noticed that separates Brady and Manning

[English Patriot]

LeGarrette Blount scored 10 of his 18 rushing touchdowns from the 1 yard line with Brady at QB this season. Now why is this little stat important? Because Tom Brady doesn't care if he throws 0 TD passes in a game or 5 TD in a game, it's never about him and all he cares about is winning. The insane numbers he racks up just happen because of his greatness and not because of his desire to break passing records. Funny thing is he'll end up breaking every record because he's simply better than anyone else.

I believe the opposite was the case with Peyton. Ignore the blatant stat padding years before and just take his 55 TD season. The situations where he was throwing the ball from virtually the goal line to buffer his numbers was outrageous but the media ignored it as if he didn't have that noodle arm and not to mention the majority of his numbers was due to outstanding receiving that year. The reason i bring up Blount is because i ask you this, would he have anything close to 10 of those 1 yard rush TD's behind Manning? The answer is no and i doubt he would have even had 3.

Everyone knows it ate him alive that Brady's '07 was better than anything he could ever accomplish in a regular season so he did everything in his power to make sure he broke it..... and then got absolutely annihilated in the SB..... and then Brady went and stomped that same defense the season after to get another ring........ in the 4th Quarter no less.

TB12 will most likely break most passing records set and it will occur naturally as opposed to the way Peyton did it where he literally threw it non stop just to break Favre, ignoring those backs he had who were pretty damn good themselves.

Tom could easily have had himself another 6+ TD's this season but he never baulked at handing off the ball to his work horse Blount who himself coincidentally smashed the Pats single season rushing TD record.

 

[drewskie]

Peyton Manning is the Lebron James of the NFL.

 

[RayRay]

This is old news bro.
We've known about this for years.
Manning is the king of the 1 yard TD pass for years.
If Brady really gave a ****, he would have a 70 TD season.

 

[English Patriot]

Peyton Manning is the Lebron James of the NFL.

That's actually brilliantly put but honestly think that's a disservice to LeBron because i don't think Manning is even in his league.

Manning could never accomplish what James did in the Finals last year, Peyton was the perennial playoff pressure choker. Very rarely did he deliver at the biggest of moments.

Brady on the other hand.....

 

[patsinthesnow]

You just highlighted a key difference as well between Brady & Rodgers. This season the Pats had 18 rushing TDs to RBs (all Blount) and the Packers had 7.

In Rodgers' historic 2011 MVP season he had 45 passing TDs and RBs had 9 rushing TDs.

In 2012 Brady had 34 passing TDs and RBs had 21 rushing TDs.

That was a relatively average Brady stat year post-2007 but the Patriots finished with a top 10 scoring offense all time.


The passer rating argument between Brady & Rodgers is so flawed. How about an average yearly PPG argument between the two? It isn't close.

 

[TB_Helmet]

I always love to make fun of Pink Head and will eagerly take any opportunity I can to make fun of him. And this would certainly qualify.

However I'd like to see a little more data or evidence on this. How do we know he was padding his stats? Did he audible out of running plays more than expected? Can we quantify this any more than confirmation bias? What was the average TD pass distance both Brady and Pink Head had year by year and what was the run-pass breakdown within 3 yards of the goal line for Pink Head in 2013?

There's enough ammunition to use against Peyton without making stuff up, so I like to be accurate with it.

 

[drewskie]

That's actually brilliantly put but honestly think that's a disservice to LeBron because i don't think Manning is even in his league.

Manning could never accomplish what James did in the Finals last year, Peyton was the perennial playoff pressure choker. Very rarely did he deliver at the biggest of moments.

Brady on the other hand.....

Lebron campaigned to have Green suspended after stepping over him. Had Lebron done that in a pick up game, that would have started a fight. Thats a punk move.

The NBA extended that series too. Conveniently suspended Green when CLE was down 3-1, but not when GSW was down 2-1 to OKC? We all know why, lets not kid ourselves.

The leagues's MVP was in mysterious foul trouble in game 6, of which the majority of those fouls were total BS.

Both Peyton and Lebron have been the darlings of their respective leagues, both have been regular season stat sheet stuffers. But ultimately when it matters most, they have underwhelmed.

Had MIA won the 2011 Finals, it was Wade who would've been FMVP. Lebron will rather not shoot to protect his FG%.

Lebron has faced elimination in 6 out of his 7 Finals appearances, requiring not 1 but 2 miracles, of which much of that was league assisted. As you can tell, I think Lebron is even more overrated than Peyton, but their career narratives are similar.

 

[English Patriot]

You just highlighted a key difference as well between Brady & Rodgers. This season the Pats had 18 rushing TDs to RBs (all Blount) and the Packers had 7.

In Rodgers' historic 2011 MVP season he had 45 passing TDs and RBs had 9 rushing TDs.

In 2012 Brady had 34 passing TDs and RBs had 21 rushing TDs.

That was a relatively average Brady stat year post-2007 but the Patriots finished with a top 10 scoring offense all time.


The passer rating argument between Brady & Rodgers is so flawed. How about an average yearly PPG argument between the two? It isn't close.

That's fantastic analysis right there, but I will say i am a Rodgers fan and personally for me he's on another level to Peyton. It's not even a discussion in my books either, Rodgers doesn't really come across as a 'i care about my numbers' guy i think his ability just makes him do what he does that most can't and that results in his crazy numbers. Have to give credit where it's due.

One thing's for sure is i'll never give Peyton props because he's got to be one of the most overrated players ever given how small he came up in big moments time after time. I mean did anyone even notice if he was playing when the Broncos won the SB last year? His impact was as little as Dilfer on the Ravens. Rodgers on the other hand clearly could use some help from the other side of the ball on his team.

100% agree that the passer rating argument is skewed between he and Brady though for sure.

 

[English Patriot]

Lebron campaigned to have Green suspended after stepping over him. Had Lebron done that in a pick up game, that would have started a fight. Thats a punk move.

The NBA extended that series too. Conveniently suspended Green when CLE was down 3-1, but not when GSW was down 2-1 to OKC? We all know why, lets not kid ourselves.

The leagues's MVP was in mysterious foul trouble in game 6, of which the majority of those fouls were total BS.

Both Peyton and Lebron have been the darlings of their respective leagues, both have been regular season stat sheet stuffers. But ultimately when it matters most, they have underwhelmed.

Had MIA won the 2011 Finals, it was Wade who would've been FMVP. Lebron will rather not shoot to protect his FG%.

Lebron has faced elimination in 6 out of his 7 Finals appearances, requiring not 1 but 2 miracles, of which much of that was league assisted. As you can tell, I think Lebron is even more overrated than Peyton, but their career narratives are similar.

Don't get me wrong what Draymond called LeBron was 100% accurate and Kyrie is the big shot maker for that team but it's still hard to deny LeBron is a generational player, i don't think the same can be said for Peyton.

I always would have taken Wade over LeBron, you can't teach a winning mentality and Wade always had it and it's ironic he had to show LeBron what to do in those situations to get championships in Miami (with Bosh too). Always thought it was criminal that Wade got overlooked for regular season MVP's over James. Funnily enough the same way Peyton and others got MVP's over Brady.

Peyton belongs in the Big Ben-ish category. While he was playing i always had Brady, Rodgers and Brees streets ahead of him.

 

[patfanken]

Peyton Manning is the Lebron James of the NFL.

That's an insult to Labron

BTW- there isn't a small gap between Brady and Manning, there is a HUGE gap. They aren't even in the same conversation and haven't been for a long long time.

 

[drewskie]

Don't get me wrong what Draymond called LeBron was 100% accurate and Kyrie is the big shot maker for that team but it's still hard to deny LeBron is a generational player, i don't think the same can be said for Peyton.

I always would have taken Wade over LeBron, you can't teach a winning mentality and Wade always had it and it's ironic he had to show LeBron what to do in those situations to get championships in Miami (with Bosh too). Always thought it was criminal that Wade got overlooked for regular season MVP's over James. Funnily enough the same way Peyton and others got MVP's over Brady.

Peyton belongs in the Big Ben-ish category. While he was playing i always had Brady, Rodgers and Brees streets ahead of him.

I don't have Big Ben in that elite category.

The way I see it...

Brady
Brees
Rodgers
Manning

 

[drewskie]

That's an insult to Labron

BTW- there isn't a small gap between Brady and Manning, there is a HUGE gap. They aren't even in the same conversation and haven't been for a long long time.

Agree to disagree. I strongly believe Lebron to be one of the most overrated athletes ever. This isnt fantasy basketball. You have people comparing him to the GOAT MJ. Is he a generational talent like Kobe/Shaq/Duncan? Yes, but not on MJ's tier.

 

[luuked]

LeGarrette Blount scored 10 of his 18 rushing touchdowns from the 1 yard line with Brady at QB this season. Now why is this little stat important? Because Tom Brady doesn't care if he throws 0 TD passes in a game or 5 TD in a game, it's never about him and all he cares about is winning. The insane numbers he racks up just happen because of his greatness and not because of his desire to break passing records. Funny thing is he'll end up breaking every record because he's simply better than anyone else.

I believe the opposite was the case with Peyton. Ignore the blatant stat padding years before and just take his 55 TD season. The situations where he was throwing the ball from virtually the goal line to buffer his numbers was outrageous but the media ignored it as if he didn't have that noodle arm and not to mention the majority of his numbers was due to outstanding receiving that year. The reason i bring up Blount is because i ask you this, would he have anything close to 10 of those 1 yard rush TD's behind Manning? The answer is no and i doubt he would have even had 3.

Everyone knows it ate him alive that Brady's '07 was better than anything he could ever accomplish in a regular season so he did everything in his power to make sure he broke it..... and then got absolutely annihilated in the SB..... and then Brady went and stomped that same defense the season after to get another ring........ in the 4th Quarter no less.

TB12 will most likely break most passing records set and it will occur naturally as opposed to the way Peyton did it where he literally threw it non stop just to break Favre, ignoring those backs he had who were pretty damn good themselves.

Tom could easily have had himself another 6+ TD's this season but he never baulked at handing off the ball to his work horse Blount who himself coincidentally smashed the Pats single season rushing TD record.

While I agree that Peyton seemed way too obsessed with setting records and compiling stats I have a hard time believing that ultimately he cared more about them than winning. Personally, I think his ego was just so big that in his mind HE provided his team with the best chance at winning even when a run would have been safer.

If there ever was a nice interface to query PFR I'd love to see his percentage of 3rd & 1 throws (including failure rate) compared to the average and then compared to top 5 quarterbacks.

 

[deroc5050]

This is old news bro.
We've known about this for years.
Manning is the king of the 1 yard TD pass for years.
If Brady really gave a ****, he would have a 70 TD season.

Actually somebody posted the stats for TD distance between Peyton and Tom.. and I think most of us were surprised by the results. Its on the forums somewhere.

 

[thebooradley]

I'm convinced Manning played one more year in 2015 to get the all time passing yardage record more than anything, and I found it ironic and hilarious that he broke the record in what was the worst game of his career, a game that got him benched.

He was playing in that game as well as in the weeks leading up to it with injury, and the team were winning in spite of him... to me it looked like his stats were more important to him than the success of the team.

 

[QuantumMechanic]

Another myth busted, sadly. Here's a P-F-R query for career 1-yd TD passes:

http://pfref.com/tiny/nn92j

The top 5:
1. P. Manning - 38
2. B. Favre - 37
3. T. Brady - 35
4. D. Brees - 32
5. D. Marino - 23
...
11. A. Rodgers - 19

And since Brady has fewer total TD passes than Manning, Favre, and Brees that means Brady's percentage of 1-yd TD passes is higher than theirs.

 

[Fixit]

In the 2015 Finals, LeBron led all players in points, rebounds, and assists. In 2016, he did it again, and added in blocks and steals just for funsies.

But, yeah, he's wicked overrated.

 

[mosi]

Another myth busted, sadly. Here's a P-F-R query for career 1-yd TD passes:

Player Touchdown Finder Query Results | Pro-Football-Reference.com

The top 5:
1. P. Manning - 38
2. B. Favre - 37
3. T. Brady - 35
4. D. Brees - 32
5. D. Marino - 23
...
11. A. Rodgers - 19

And since Brady has fewer total TD passes than Manning, Favre, and Brees that means Brady's percentage of 1-yd TD passes is higher than theirs.

Useful information. Manning was a great QB. Brady is just in a different class. Brady has played 15 regular seasons and in 7 Super Bowls. 47% of the time, he ends up playing in the Super bowl. Almost 50% of time he ends ups in the final game of the season. Just think about that. Who else has had a career like that? Jordan?

 

[Froob]

Peyton Manning is the Lebron James of the NFL.

Uh naaaaaah, LeBron is more than willing to pass off a last second shot to an open teammate. LeBron is an excellent team player.

 

[RedSleevesPinkStripes]

I love how Manning is seen as the "every-man warrior" and Brady is seen as the "primadonna *****", when its totally the opposite.

Brady had to work for everything he's gotten, and has taken a ton of **** during the entire process.

Silver Spoon Manning had every advantage his entire life, and had everyone blowing him during the entire process.


Karma has a funny way of working itself out, and I think it's safe to say - the right man won.