Down 16pts in the 4th, teams are...

[Uncle Rico]

Kind of puts "It's just a two-score game" into context.

Maybe I listen to too many games with the sound down, but I swear that whole terminology started with the Red Zone channel. The guy who hosts that is always plugging in that sort of angle.

But really, when those two scores are both touchdowns and 2-point conversions, it's much more than a two-score game.

 

[Bobsyouruncle]

What are the odds the patriots will overcome the odds?

 

[RIpats88]

This is the difference between Brady and rodgers/manning. Those guys might have the same tools as brady. But both are front running quarterbacks who when they get down they stay down.

Even in the patriots losses they tend to fight until the bitter end. Last year against denver is a good example. Contrast that with manning against seattle or rodgers against atlanta this year.

You can knock brady down but he will just keep coming back

 

[Tony2046]

Whale's vagina?

I think they moved to LA.

 

[WinstonSmith]

They had one turnover. Hightower strip sacked Ryan. Or am I misunderstanding your post?

The funny thing is that after quickly proof reading my post it struck me that I should've been a bit more clear and listed the TO counts and then I saw something shiny.

My point was that while the Patriots needed the Hightower strip sack in their quest to comeback, they still had less turnover recoveries then the Falcons and the comeback wasn't the result of the Falcons turning the ball over repeatedly late in the game.

 

[JJC]

The best thing about this is that every team in the country from Texas to Georgia, little league to the NFL are gonna say "Remember the 2016 patriots and Tom Brady!"

 

[Deus Irae]

This is the difference between Brady and rodgers/manning. Those guys might have the same tools as brady. But both are front running quarterbacks who when they get down they stay down.

This argument is similar to the one I've had with the "Go on 4th down!" people. The stats geeks seem to deliberately ignore the differences among individuals and the specifics that make one 4th down/comeback a bit different from another.

 

[nabwong]

Falcons

 

[Uncle Rico]

This argument is similar to the one I've had with the "Go on 4th down!" people. The stats geeks seem to deliberately ignore the differences among individuals and the specifics that make one 4th down/comeback a bit different from another.

Yup. And you can add the whole passing-50-times-means-you-lose thing. That's been covered a lot here, where Brady is such an exception to the entire history of the NFL.

 

[AtomicDawg]

This is crazy too...

 

[XLIX]

Maybe next year we will be sporting and spot 'em 31.

 

[ScottishPatriots]

This is crazy too...

What's even more crazy is one of those other games just happened a few years ago too, the Chiefs were leading the Colts in 2014 38-10 and lost 45-44.

 

[luuked]

1-83 or 1-134 doesn't represent likelihood. It represents uniqueness and/or greatness. Only one team was able to overcome that deficit in NFL history.

I do agree with you when they use the "odds for winning" stat (or whatever it's called) such as "the Pats had a .04% chance of winning in the fourth quarter". That absolutely does not properly represent a Patriots likelihood.

I get that but how unique was it for the Patriots to do it ? I mean many people mentioned in during the game in the live thread.. everyone who has been through 2012 49ers, 2013 Broncos, Browns and Saints knows to not turn off the TV/leave the place before there really is no more time on the clock.

I am not trying to minimize what they achieved, quite the opposite. Only this team with this coaching staff is able to make something ludicrously historic seem almost ordinary.

 

[TheBostonStraggler]

I agree with Curran to a degree, but I wouldn't go overboard shifting comeback odds in these situations because these are the Brady/BB Pats. A slight shift in their favor? Sure. Very slight, though.

Regards,
Chris

Agree Chris. As experienced, tough, good the Patriots are the amount of variables that, even with top tier execution, still needed to fall the Patriots' way was significant. At the wrong time a receiver is open but simply drops it, receiver is open but Brady misses the throw, a pass that ends up for various reasons up for grabs, an OL misses one block, a penalty is called, any lucky tip/deflection or fumble, the D's almost must have timely sack and a TO, the opposition D just plays the play perfect, 2 point play execution %, etc. The variables are numerous and simply way too many things have to go our way. No doubt the Patriots 'made their own luck' through excellent prep, coaching and playing, however, too many successive items needed to fall our way for it not to be a huge mountain even for the Patriots.

Trying to remember a most massive collapse/comeback about (?)20 years ago. The Oilers and Bills PO game I believe. The Bills were down....umm....31(?) but their comeback started early in the second half where the Patriots didn't start until late in the 3rd quarter. That is the only game that comes to mind that seems comparable (in that second half you could see how stunned the Oilers' players' faces were as that massive comeback was transpiring).

 

[robbomango]

I had to go back and look at that 49er game from 2012 because to was a comparable lost cause situation, so we were down 31-3 with about 8-9 minutes left in the 3rd. With 2 scoring drives we entered the 4th down 14pts, that's not so bad(note 9ers D was sick that year).

Hard to believe this was actually worse than that situation heading into the 4th down 19 and 16 with under 10 minutes left.

 

[PatriotsPimp136]

Read the article on top. Time of possession. We where on the field alot in the first half and didn't do much but that eventually caught up with the falcons defense. Gotta admit that our offense was very sloppy but it's how you finish.

 

[Tony2046]

I get that but how unique was it for the Patriots to do it ? I mean many people mentioned in during the game in the live thread.. everyone who has been through 2012 49ers, 2013 Broncos, Browns and Saints knows to not turn off the TV/leave the place before there really is no more time on the clock.

I am not trying to minimize what they achieved, quite the opposite. Only this team with this coaching staff is able to make something ludicrously historic seem almost ordinary.

I know you're not trying to minimize their achievement. You are just putting it in a Patriot perspective. I understand that. During the 2014 playoffs the Pats came back from two 14 point deficits against the Ravens which in total was 28. But being the only team in NFL history to make a comeback like that simply amplifies their greatness in my mind.

 

[Minitron]

pats werent down 28...

Thanks i changed it now.