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CLICK HERE to Register for a free account and login for a smoother ad-free experience. It's easy, and only takes a few moments.What the hell are you talking about? First, I conceded that I was using hyperbole in order to make a clean analogy. Second, if you write a bad check, you still wrote a bad check. You didn't just "make a mistake", you broke the law. We are a nation that gives second chances (Look at the repeat felony lists for verification), but that doesn't mean the initial act is considered acceptable or above reproach.
Complete and utter nonsense. But then again, you already know that.
Tom has become the object of ridicule for other teams fanbases, is not considered an upstanding guy by anyone who actually follows a Christian religion rather than just playing lipservice to it. Furthermore, in Tom's own words, from Patriots.com (from 8/17/2006):
He put himself out there as a role model, not me. If you have a problem with him subsequently being held to that standard, go take it up with him and tell him to take the Charles Barkley approach in the future.
What the hell are you talking about? First, I conceded that I was using hyperbole in order to make a clean analogy. Second, if you write a bad check, you still wrote a bad check. You didn't just "make a mistake", you broke the law. We are a nation that gives second chances (Look at the repeat felony lists for verification), but that doesn't mean the initial act is considered acceptable or above reproach.
Complete and utter nonsense. But then again, you already know that.
Tom has become the object of ridicule for other teams fanbases, is not considered an upstanding guy by anyone who actually follows a Christian religion rather than just playing lipservice to it. Furthermore, in Tom's own words, from Patriots.com (from 8/17/2006):
He put himself out there as a role model, not me. If you have a problem with him subsequently being held to that standard, go take it up with him and tell him to take the Charles Barkley approach in the future.
What the hell are you talking about? First, I conceded that I was using hyperbole in order to make a clean analogy. Second, if you write a bad check, you still wrote a bad check. You didn't just "make a mistake", you broke the law. We are a nation that gives second chances (Look at the repeat felony lists for verification), but that doesn't mean the initial act is considered acceptable or above reproach.
You seem to be taking this argument and lumping people into two groups:
1. You think Brady made a huge mistake and should be criticized harshly for it.
2. You think Tom Brady did absolutely nothing wrong and should actually receive a medal for his actions.
As I've tried to say, there is a huge middle ground. I think all of us fall into that area. We don't blindly believe that Tom's situation is 100% perfect and exactly how a person should live his life, just that he's done very well in a not-so-perfect situation and until he does it again and again, deserves more understanding than that of comparing him to Travis Henry simply because they "both did something wrong."
You're ridiculous at so many levels.
The fact that you're trying to equate Tom Brady's situation with Travis Henry's speaks of an agenda because no sane minded person would ever bring such an argument to the table.
The fact that fan's of other teams make fun of the situation is meaningless. These were the same folks that were accusing him of homosexuality. Why? Because he's gay? No....because he's winner and not on there team. Dumb argument.
As far as being a role model, there are very few guys in Pro sports I'd want my kids to look up to in the first place. But if they had to, Brady would be OK in my book.
One child out of wed-lock who will be loved and taken care of is better than nine kids that will probably find themselves in some awful statistical categories, or murderers, dog killers, thieves and wife beaters.
But my argument is done because my type of thinking doesn't exist in your world.
Unless Brady was drugged, or tripped and fell right into Bridgett's vagina, his choice was also conscious. The "idiot" is the fool who can't grasp that obvious truth. And for a moderator to respond to that post in the manner you did is pathetic.
Last time I checked no one has been prosecuted for having sex before marriage.
You seem to be the morality police. We are not supposed to judge the "mother" according to you but you have no problem judging Brady it seems.
I really like the part where Brady shouldn't have sex with anyone else until his son is full grown. That shows your bias right there and is LAUGHABLE!
I will add that a friend of mine was pretty much broken up with his girlfriend but went to a wedding with her and they had a night of passion (she was suppossed to still be on the pill) Low and behold she gets pregnant and he DOES marry her even though they were through. Great...for the next 4 years they try and make it work and create a terrible home for their daughter as they were simply THROUGH like they knew before she got pregnant. Now it has taken almost 3 years for them to have a civil relationship because of all the acrimony the divorce caused.
Wait Deus Irae says you have to stay together for he child...really? Show me where that is written.
I didn't equate them, slick. I simply noted that the difference is in degree, not kind. Is reading comprehension a struggle for you?
<<But the whole purpose of the thread was about degree. The similarity was understood. I think you're the one with the comprehension problem. Read the title.>>
No, it's not. It's precisely what is done on this board when it comes to the Matt Leinharts and Chris Henry's of the world. Brady has now put himself at a level where he's included in those conversations now.
<<I have never read of any forums of discussion lumping Brady with any of the individuals you mentioned. Must be just specific boards you go on.>>
That simply tells me something about the kind of person you are, not the kind of person Brady is.
<<<Whatever that means??? I guess I'm not cerebral enough to understand that one.>>>
I never claimed that there was no difference between the two situations, I never claimed that Brady wasn't a better person than Henry and I never claimed that Brady's kid will not be taken care of. Again, Brady put himself forward as a role model, not me.
And by the way, Brady's kid IS a statistic now.
<<<If the worst statistic he'll be part of is being the child of un-wed parents, he could be in worse company. Is surmise Henry's offspring will be included in much more dire stats.>>>
I completely agree that the odds are we'll see a lot more problems resulting from Henry's inability to keep it zipped or properly wield a condom in concert with a birth control pill than we will from Brady's similar failings.
Unless Brady was drugged, or tripped and fell right into Bridgett's vagina, his choice was also conscious. The "idiot" is the fool who can't grasp that obvious truth. And for a moderator to respond to that post in the manner you did is pathetic.
Why would you assume that?
According to you, the situations should be looked at similarly.
The only pathetic fool on this thread is you.
I completely agree that the odds are we'll see a lot more problems resulting from Henry's inability to keep it zipped or properly wield a condom in concert with a birth control pill than we will from Brady's similar failings.
Brady has one child out of wedlock. Henry has nine. Again, I never claimed that Brady=Henry. I said that the difference is one of degree, not kind. Why is this so difficult for you to understand?
Speaking from a standpoint of rhetoric and logic, this particular DI statement is correct.
Brady has one child out of wedlock. Henry has nine. Again, I never claimed that Brady=Henry. I said that the difference is one of degree, not kind. Why is this so difficult for you to understand?
In that lies what I believe is the reason people aren't as harsh on Brady as you think we should be: We don't see this situation becoming a problem for anyone involved. It's not so much whether or not we think what happend is the right thing to do, it's that we don't expect John (his son's name if you didn't hear) to have a tough life because of his parents circumstances.