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Cold Takes from Boston Media: 2001

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I hear this a lot, and I disagree. I can't buy the idea that a sportswriter like Bob Ryan, who has been covering the Boston sports scene, traveling with teams and developing relationships with players and coaches for almost 50 years, has learned nothing more than we've gotten from watching at home on tv.

To be fair, Ryan was a basketball-first guy. He was never a font of football wisdom. But whenever this board slams the whole sportswriting profession as useless -- which seems to happen more and more -- I can't help thinking: where would we as rabid fans be without them? A huge amount of what we think we know comes from the very reporters we then turn around and call know-nothings.

What I said was not specifically towards Ryan, it was towards the media as a whole. most of them have been nothing more than a spectator. Sure maybe some have developed relationships with coaches but the large majority most likely havent What I think I know doesn't come from writers, I develop my opinions based on what I see and what I've been taught by people who were around the game their entire lives
 
out of fairness, at the time I thought Brady got lucky and Bledsoe got screwed, all the way until the Super Bowl. In The AFCCG when Bledsoe came in and threw a TD I was ecstatic. Only after Brady won the last drive of the Super Bowl was I convinced he was the right answer. And it was during the 2003 season that I finally decided he was special. I was very wrong back then. lol (Heck I still thought Grogan was best)

Maybe because you didn't have the opportunity to attend training camp in Smithfield. I went several times. It was apparent that this 2nd year Brady kid, whom I hadn't heard of because I don't watch college ball, knew and ran the offense better than Bledsoe. I never thought that Kraft would let BB get around the big contract he'd just given Drew. And once Brady started games in 2001, you could see that he managed games w/o the complete brain farts The Statue was famous for.
 
What I said was not specifically towards Ryan, it was towards the media as a whole.

Understood, and similarly my comment wasn't really aimed at you but more at a board-wide trend. Honestly, it's partially reflecting my own experience, too.

I make my living researching and writing about a (non-sports) topic, one that lots of people have opinions on and don't think an "expert" can tell them much about. Whenever I'm at a party and someone hears about my job, they eagerly share their own observations on the subject. I'm always interested, always happy to talk, always polite. But every time, quietly, I can log multiple factual errors and misconceptions in their comments and think of a dozen more pieces of info they're unaware of that would alter their thinking. And when they do have some good concrete knowledge, it's usually because they read it from somebody like me! (It's super-awkward to try to sound interested while somebody is reciting your own research to you to educate you.)

I absolutely agree that there are posters on this board who can analyze on-field action better than most sportswriters. (Thanks, guys!) But I think we tend to take the pros for granted and not realize how much we rely on them. When it comes to off-the-field/behind-the-scenes stuff, how do we know anything without reporters on the scene? And when it comes to discussing the draft, how many of us watch enough college football to have our own insights on hundreds and hundreds of prospects -- let alone know if they have a reputation for laziness in practices, or strong leadership skills?

Many sports journalists are lousy. Alas, that's true of most professions. But I'd like to take a moment to tip my cap to some local writers who I've learned a lot from:

- Mike Reiss, for diligently keeping us up-to-date on all things Foxboro
- Tom Curran, for analysis of the game and the league
- Matt Chatham, for breaking down on-field action
- Jackie MacMullan, for insightful personal profiles
- Greg Bedard, for careful, detailed and thoughtful reporting
- Michael Holley, for a peek behind the curtain
 
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The Boston media was pretty much objectively wrong though. In an attempt to be balanced and not a bunch of fan boys they highlighted the negatives.

We've just witnessed the greatest run in NFL history, a period of dominance that probably eclipsed the 49ers. And all they had to say was, overrated, won't last, etc.

The fans WERE right. Now maybe predicting a dynasty isn't a good bet but the fact remains we have a 15 year dynasty and looking back we have 15 years of negativity. If you reported on the 49ers of the 80s and 90s and left a body of work about how they stunk and it couldn't last then you would be seen as a giant idiot by the end. At this point I think a lot of them know it, and so they just want them to fall so they can say "See, told you so, I was just off by 15 years."
 
Some comments on the comments:

1. Anyone who thought the Pats were going anywhere at the start of the 2001 is just lying. You can give a lot of crap in 20-20 hindsight about the media that year, but legitimate football analysts like Pro Football Weekly were unanimous in thinking that team was going no where. There was of course the now famous article in the spring of that year that labeled the Pats the LEAST like team in the entire league to get to a superbowl in the next 5 years. So ragging on the mediots of that time, isn't really fair.

2. I'd be willing to bet that if you had force BB to tell the truth, he would say that even he was surprised at the level of success that 2001 team had. I'm sure he felt the team would be better than what the mediot thought, but not Superbowl better. More like the 5-5 that they were after the Rams loss. Think about it. Having 5 wins after just 10 games, plus a very competitive loss against what was clearly the best team in the league was a HUGE improvement from 2000, and by that time it was also clear that the team was headed in the right direction.

I think when BB was planning his rebuild, he probably thought 2003 would be the year he'd have a team to compete for a title. Just look at the 2002 team, which on paper was better than the 2001 team, but really didn't have the depth or mental toughness to do better than the 9-7 they wound up at. I bet Bill was thinking that it would take 3 years for the full rebuild, and essentially he was right. The 2001 team was just a beautiful anomoly. It wasn't as bad a team as people were forecasting, but not a great one either. It was one of those teams where everything broke right for them. It was magical.

3. Bob Ryan was a GREAT, not just good, basketball writer. When he gave up the beat to become a columist to Shank, he was just another guy with an opinion like the rest of us, who happened to be able to write well and worked for a newspaper. He could be right or wrong, but he never stooped to the level of spitefulness or meanness of a Borges or Shaunnessy. He never had an agenda, just an opinion and usually admitted when he was wrong.

4. PWP is absolutely correct when he notes that back at TC in 2001, it was clear Brady had a much better grasp of the offense the Pats were trying to institute. I've always felt that Bledsoe was a victim of having something like 4 different OC's the first 7 seasons of his career. And his skill set, due in part to that situation, wasn't what fit THIS offense.

It might have been different if he'd been in this offense from the start of his career, but by 2001, short drops and quick decisions was NOT what Drew Bledsoe did. His demise as the starting QB of the Pats was inevidable. But that being said, no one could have predicted how quickly that end would come. OR how fast Brady's development would happen. Remember BB brought in Damon Huard to be the back up that off season, so back in Feb of 2001 even BB wan't thinking Brady was going to play much that year, but Brady just flat beat him out, became the back up and the rest is history.

5. You know I hate Ron Borges with a passion that borders on the obsessive. And his column that graded the Pats draft that ragged on the Seymour and Light picks and named 3 or 4 players who HE thought the Pats should have picked, ALL of whom had mediocre careers at best; is a classic in guys "getting it wrong".
But remember this is a fan site who hasn't missed having a thread about ANY available WR over the last 20 years, so we shouldn't be were surprised when the mediots complained about the Pats passing on the WR I'm blanking on, to pick some DT we've never heard of. We should be honest enough to admit that, AT THE TIME, most Pats fans agreed with the detestable Borges. Not me, of course.
 
Hey, let's have a show of hands: leading in to the 2001 season, how many of us here said "Bill Belichick is clearly one of the greatest coaches in the history of the sport, and the Patriots are about to enter a dynastic era"?

Let's cut 'em some slack for not seeing the unseeable. Heck, just weeks ago, after 15 years of brilliant dominance, half of this board was convinced Belichick was a fool and had thrown away the season by trading Jamie Collins.

I disagree. When you were galactically wrong about the man's grocery shopping and the team's direction you can eat a little crow. We're not talking about a team that took five years to come around. Nope. He wrote about the 2001 team specifically which of course did a little better than the 2000 team.

And by the way. We're also not talking about writers either rather a bunch of click bait contrarians. The "cut some slack" stuff has never been a part of their agenda so why should it be a part of mine?
 
Hey, let's have a show of hands: leading in to the 2001 season, how many of us here said "Bill Belichick is clearly one of the greatest coaches in the history of the sport, and the Patriots are about to enter a dynastic era"?

While I did not say that I did say in 2001 on the Bosco mailing list that the Patriots were making moves that would turn them into a Super Bowl contender in 2003/2004.
 
Some comments on the comments:

2. I'd be willing to bet that if you had force BB to tell the truth, he would say that even he was surprised at the level of success that 2001 team had.

3. Bob Ryan was a GREAT, not just good, basketball writer. When he gave up the beat to become a columist to Shank, he was just another guy with an opinion like the rest of us, who happened to be able to write well and worked for a newspaper. He could be right or wrong, but he never stooped to the level of spitefulness or meanness of a Borges or Shaunnessy. He never had an agenda, just an opinion and usually admitted when he was wrong.

Re: 2 - BB has said exactly that.

Re: 3 - Not stooping to the level of Borges or Shank isn't a very high bar. And Ryan most certainly has plenty of hackery and agenda. Read his crap since 2007 for starters. He's a douchebag slimeball along with Shank. Just not quite as bad. F'em. I'll be happy when he's completely gone. He's been beclowning himself for years.
 
Re: 2 - BB has said exactly that.

Re: 3 - Not stooping to the level of Borges or Shank isn't a very high bar. And Ryan most certainly has plenty of hackery and agenda. Read his crap since 2007 for starters. He's a douchebag slimeball along with Shank. Just not quite as bad. F'em. I'll be happy when he's completely gone. He's been beclowning himself for years.
That may be true, but back in the mid 80's when I got to be around the Celtics abit, Bob Ryan was very highly thought of by the organization as a good basketball guy. As for since 2007, I don't know since I had long since ceased being a regular newpaper reader.
 
That may be true, but back in the mid 80's when I got to be around the Celtics abit, Bob Ryan was very highly thought of by the organization as a good basketball guy. As for since 2007, I don't know since I had long since ceased being a regular newpaper reader.

Bob Ryan, Jackie Mac and Michael Madden did a great job covering the Celts in the 80s.

IMO when his son died tragically, he became much more cynical.

Understandable.
 
Some comments on the comments:

1. Anyone who thought the Pats were going anywhere at the start of the 2001 is just lying. You can give a lot of crap in 20-20 hindsight about the media that year, but legitimate football analysts like Pro Football Weekly were unanimous in thinking that team was going no where. There was of course the now famous article in the spring of that year that labeled the Pats the LEAST like team in the entire league to get to a superbowl in the next 5 years. So ragging on the mediots of that time, isn't really fair.

2. I'd be willing to bet that if you had force BB to tell the truth, he would say that even he was surprised at the level of success that 2001 team had. I'm sure he felt the team would be better than what the mediot thought, but not Superbowl better. More like the 5-5 that they were after the Rams loss. Think about it. Having 5 wins after just 10 games, plus a very competitive loss against what was clearly the best team in the league was a HUGE improvement from 2000, and by that time it was also clear that the team was headed in the right direction.

I think when BB was planning his rebuild, he probably thought 2003 would be the year he'd have a team to compete for a title. Just look at the 2002 team, which on paper was better than the 2001 team, but really didn't have the depth or mental toughness to do better than the 9-7 they wound up at. I bet Bill was thinking that it would take 3 years for the full rebuild, and essentially he was right. The 2001 team was just a beautiful anomoly. It wasn't as bad a team as people were forecasting, but not a great one either. It was one of those teams where everything broke right for them. It was magical.

3. Bob Ryan was a GREAT, not just good, basketball writer. When he gave up the beat to become a columist to Shank, he was just another guy with an opinion like the rest of us, who happened to be able to write well and worked for a newspaper. He could be right or wrong, but he never stooped to the level of spitefulness or meanness of a Borges or Shaunnessy. He never had an agenda, just an opinion and usually admitted when he was wrong.

4. PWP is absolutely correct when he notes that back at TC in 2001, it was clear Brady had a much better grasp of the offense the Pats were trying to institute. I've always felt that Bledsoe was a victim of having something like 4 different OC's the first 7 seasons of his career. And his skill set, due in part to that situation, wasn't what fit THIS offense.

It might have been different if he'd been in this offense from the start of his career, but by 2001, short drops and quick decisions was NOT what Drew Bledsoe did. His demise as the starting QB of the Pats was inevidable. But that being said, no one could have predicted how quickly that end would come. OR how fast Brady's development would happen. Remember BB brought in Damon Huard to be the back up that off season, so back in Feb of 2001 even BB wan't thinking Brady was going to play much that year, but Brady just flat beat him out, became the back up and the rest is history.

5. You know I hate Ron Borges with a passion that borders on the obsessive. And his column that graded the Pats draft that ragged on the Seymour and Light picks and named 3 or 4 players who HE thought the Pats should have picked, ALL of whom had mediocre careers at best; is a classic in guys "getting it wrong".
But remember this is a fan site who hasn't missed having a thread about ANY available WR over the last 20 years, so we shouldn't be were surprised when the mediots complained about the Pats passing on the WR I'm blanking on, to pick some DT we've never heard of. We should be honest enough to admit that, AT THE TIME, most Pats fans agreed with the detestable Borges. Not me, of course.
They can all be wrong in 2001 like everyone else thought , even BB but there is no explanation of constant spite against the team even after 16 yrs. like bob ryan was yesterday . The same people still dont miss an opportunity to criticize the pats let alone eat crow for their comments.
 
That may be true, but back in the mid 80's when I got to be around the Celtics abit, Bob Ryan was very highly thought of by the organization as a good basketball guy. As for since 2007, I don't know since I had long since ceased being a regular newpaper reader.

Yes. He was good as a beat reporter. Once he became a columnist he turned into crap, though. Especially in the past 10-ish years.
 
out of fairness, at the time I thought Brady got lucky and Bledsoe got screwed, all the way until the Super Bowl. In The AFCCG when Bledsoe came in and threw a TD I was ecstatic. Only after Brady won the last drive of the Super Bowl was I convinced he was the right answer. And it was during the 2003 season that I finally decided he was special. I was very wrong back then. lol (Heck I still thought Grogan was best)
i wonder what the poll would have been at the time between Brady and Bledsoe, I just feel like most fans were pro Drew.
 
Jeff Howe is also pretty good.
 
i wonder what the poll would have been at the time between Brady and Bledsoe, I just feel like most fans were pro Drew.
Those of us who were "pro Drew" were operating in essentially and understandable vacuum, though ultimately misguided. And probably even at the time a completely objective assessment it should have been clear. Also out of fairness many were arguing Brady over Bledsoe well before the SB 36 victory. I was just, in hindsight, wrongly, not one of them.
 
They've never been around the game other than in a spectators. They aren't any more knowledgeable than anyone else who watches the game, but they act like they know more and get paid to tell you what your watching. That's my problem with them

Some guys know what they are talking about.. its not so much how knowledgeable you are but how you can elaborate your analysis and be somewhat interesting. This year more so than ever I have seen a more negative approach when the media is discussing the Pats.

Long time hardcore fans and x players can see through most of the media bull ****.

A big talking point was the Pats Defense.

The Pats defense has turned a corner they weren't playing as well earlier in the season, even Troy Brown was taking shots at the Pats defense.
 
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i wonder what the poll would have been at the time between Brady and Bledsoe, I just feel like most fans were pro Drew.

I was definitely not pro-Drew at the time. I had no idea how good Brady would become, of course, but I'd already seen Bledsoe's ceiling, and how he tended to underperform on the big stage. Also, IMHO Bledsoe had an air of 'I deserve this position'. Versus Brady, whose air IMHO was 'I'm gonna beat out the guys in front of me, and then I want to win so bad I can taste it.'

He has in fact fulfilled his prophecy of being 'the best decision this team has ever made.'
 
I'm impressed people can remember their thoughts 16 years ago. Me....I was content when Drew chucked it for 300+ yards. And if the Pats won.....a bonus. I was a product of low expectations. I do remember paying attention to the 2001 draft ....really the first time.... I researched the field ...a lot of free time (newborn kept me off the golf course). Seymour was an unknown to me but 6 games into his first season, it was clear he was the foundation piece missing and the Pats fortunes reversed as soon as he became a starter.

In the decades to come, much will be written about the BB/Brady collaboration and who deserves top billing for their combined success. Personally, I give 75% of the credit to BB. He recognized Brady's skill set and built his offenses to compliment what Brady does best. The TE/slot receiver offense that Belichick retools most every year creates high percentage opportunities while minimizing risk. Some will disagree but I firmly believe the 2001-2004 success was more about the team and less about the quality of TB12 ....and thus BB deserves top billing. In the last decade, BB has had to lean heavily on Brady in part because their epic string of successes has pushed them to the back of the draft where talent is harder to acquire. And unlike the 2001-2004 era when injuries couldn't derail the Pats juggernaut, key injuries have too often derailed NE's quest for world domination these past 10 years. Yet the Patriots train rolls every year and refuses to succumb to the league desired path to mediocrity. Some teams embrace the opportunity to fail in order to replenish but not Belichick... BB is programmed differently...'Winning is my job' ...and his QB operates under a similar philosophy...'Scoring points is my job' .....the Belichick stamp is imprinted deep in Brady's being. It's BB's universe with Brady in charge of Earth
 
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