Mike Lombardi on the Jamie Collins trade..

[yopats]

I'm just going to leave these here and update as needed..

 

[archstanton543]

Why not leave them in the Jamie Collins trade thread?

 

[yopats]

Why not leave them in the Jamie Collins trade thread?

Because that thread moves to fast. This is the BB Insider. Not crazy hot takes.

 

[Mike the Brit]

Why not leave them in the Jamie Collins trade thread?

No, it's good to have something substantive rather than having to wade through 20 pages of WTF? posts.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

"I have been all over how badly the Patriots defense has been playing all season."

This goes to show how meaningless a lot of stats, including opponents PPG, when you take away the context. Pats are allowing fewer points, but part of that is because opponents need to go to shootout mode to keep pace with Brady; that plays into the hands of this defense and its very good secondary. Sounds like Bill (and Lombardi) think this defense has been a paper tiger that would get steamrolled against a physical team in the playoffs.

 

[Gronkowski123]

"I have been all over how badly the Patriots defense has been playing all season."

This goes to show how meaningless a lot of stats, including opponents PPG, when you take away the context. Pats are allowing fewer points, but part of that is because opponents need to go to shootout mode to keep pace with Brady; that plays into the hands of this defense and its very good secondary. Sounds like Bill (and Lombardi) think this defense has been a paper tiger that would get steamrolled against a physical team in the playoffs.

so the solution is trading arguably the best defensive player??? if lombardi thinks the defense is weak with collins, it's clearly worse without jamie! what if something happens to hightower?? we're screwed.

i dont understand this move at all. sure, trust BB but this move makes 0 sense.

 

[JayNM]

Yeah, that fits into the "Unseen elements" that surely had a great impact on this move. I don't know man. If we are thinking short term, I rather have a effort-less Collins than a low 3rd round/ high 4th round pick.

Plus, if we let him walk, we would still get a compensatory 3rd round pick.

We are getting NOTHING, holy ****

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Yeah, that fits into the "Unseen elements" that surely had a great impact on this move. I don't know man. If we are thinking short term, I rather have a effort-less Collins than a low 3rd round/ high 4th round pick.

Plus, if we let him walk, we would still get a compensatory 3rd round pick.

We are getting NOTHING, holy ****

Not would. Could. In 2018.

 

[BradyFTW!]

Why not leave them in the Jamie Collins trade thread?

I think this warrants its own thread - it's actual insight from a real source, which would get swallowed up in a matter of seconds in the other thread.

I've been grasping at straws trying to figure out how this trade benefits the team, and if the answer is that this is how Belichick is trying to get in the D's head and motivate them--"If you don't fall in line then have fun playing for the ****ing Browns"--then that's something at least.

 

[JayNM]

Not would. Could. In 2018.

Don't be oblivious for the sake of the argument. He would net us a high compensatory pick. He will get a 10M+ contract from somewhere, that is the biggest qualifier for the compensatory picks.

 

[Jangles]

"I have been all over how badly the Patriots defense has been playing all season."

This goes to show how meaningless a lot of stats, including opponents PPG, when you take away the context. Pats are allowing fewer points, but part of that is because opponents need to go to shootout mode to keep pace with Brady; that plays into the hands of this defense and its very good secondary. Sounds like Bill (and Lombardi) think this defense has been a paper tiger that would get steamrolled against a physical team in the playoffs.

This is spot on.

Anybody with 2 eyes and no homer glasses should be able to see this defense is pretty bad.

 

[patriot1136]

If maybe they thought that Collins was holding the defense back, who will step up now and take his place? We need more than just Hightower and Roberts.

 

[mgteich]

Don't be oblivious for the sake of the argument. He would net us a high compensatory pick. He will get a 10M+ contract from somewhere, that is the biggest qualifier for the compensatory picks.

The biggest qualifier is that you lose more qualifying free agents than you sign.

 

[luuked]

Don't be oblivious for the sake of the argument. He would net us a high compensatory pick. He will get a 10M+ contract from somewhere, that is the biggest qualifier for the compensatory picks.

You don't understand how compensatory picks work.

 

[JayNM]

The biggest qualifier is that you lose more qualifying free agents than you sign.

Which fits with the traditional way of things here. Every year, this has been our way of doing things.

 

[cmasspatsfan]

so the solution is trading arguably the best defensive player??? if lombardi thinks the defense is weak with collins, it's clearly worse without jamie! what if something happens to hightower?? we're screwed.

i dont understand this move at all. sure, trust BB but this move makes 0 sense.

He's been a problem, not listening to coaches, all the talent in the world is useless if he's doing his own thing out there instead of what he's coached to do.

 

[yukon cornelius]

so the solution is trading arguably the best defensive player??? if lombardi thinks the defense is weak with collins, it's clearly worse without jamie! what if something happens to hightower?? we're screwed.

i dont understand this move at all. sure, trust BB but this move makes 0 sense.

he's physically the most gifted

but if he's freelancing or half assing effort at times, then he's ****ing everyone else's efforts up, and making the defense worse


if you can put a lesser physical specimen in there who works hard every play and does his job and plays to the scheme, that's a net gain, and a better defense


we always say BB wins with players who buy into his scheme and his philosophy

sadly, jamie collins wasn't seeming to be that player at this point

 

[JayNM]

You don't understand how compensatory picks work.

Alright, if you don't have anything to post, other than insults, i don't need to talk to you. I come here expecting more of the arguments. If i wanted brain-washed insults, i'd rather go somewhere else.

 

[rochrist]

so the solution is trading arguably the best defensive player??? if lombardi thinks the defense is weak with collins, it's clearly worse without jamie! what if something happens to hightower?? we're screwed.

i dont understand this move at all. sure, trust BB but this move makes 0 sense.

Clearly Bill doesn't see Collins as their 'best defensive player'.

 

[IllegalContact]

I heard BB say under his breath: "dude sucked anyway"