Caldwell or Gaffney - Who would you rather have?

[Keegs]

Honestly, Keegs. Step back. Look at what you're arguing and think about how much it matters.

Are we seriously arguing who played better in Indy like it means absolutely anything? I don't think Beioli will be looking back at those game tapes when they make roster decisions in August.

"Caldwell was better against Indy! He should get the roster spot his season!"

"No, Gaffney was better! HE should get the spot!"

It doesn't matter!

but you guys continue to compare their regular season stats when Reche was with the team the entire year and Gaffney joined Oct 10th and started only 6 games. I'm sure they are looking at that.

The entire time my point has been that Jabar outperformed Reche in the playoff games. All 3 of them

 

[JackBauer]

it's very simple. The argument was that Reche faces better defenders than Jabar.

But when wide open with no defenders around him Reche dropped 2 easy balls in the AFC championship game.

It doesn't matter who is defending him when during the regular season.
The fact remains:
Reche Caldwell is erratic and unreliable

especially in big games.

And nothing you say will change that.

(i love how you jump on this guy's back now and try to take his side, like you have so many times already in this thread... you lose...yet again.)

LOL.

That has to be the weakest post I've read in recent memory. It appears your train of thought has derailed. There is no way you can definitively state your conclusion based on the sample size. And you STILL have not even scratched the original point.

 

[pats1]

but you guys continue to compare their regular season stats when Reche was with the team the entire year and Gaffney joined Oct 10th and started only 6 games. I'm sure they are looking at that.

The entire time my point has been that Jabar outperformed Reche in the playoff games. All 3 of them

I think they're more likely to consider the complete performance of a player in a given year more than a microscopic sample of the performance of a player in a given year.

 

[BAM!]

SORRY (to those who are tired of this debate) about dredging this up once again however, there is a question that I need to ask Keegs since he keeps referring to Caldwell having more time than Gaffney to work with Brady and the team and that's the reason for Gaffney's piss poor regular season performance.

Who would you think would have a better regular season; a rookie who knows nothing about playing in the NFL, never been in a pro system, has to learn a playbook that is at least 2-3 times bigger than anything he's seen before, and sidelined all of TC, mini-camps, and practices due to injury which hampered him throughout his entire regular season as well (he played in 12 games) OR a veteran WR who has had productive regular seasons on another team who comes to the Pats and plays 11 regular season games without injury?

Also, you are saying that you would choose a player over another based off of 3 games rather than 16 because of the "stage" on which they play.

I am SOOOO glad you are not making these personnel decisions, this team would fade into obscurity fast. Your rational is stupid and makes absolutely no sense what-so-ever.

 

[RayClay]

SORRY (to those who are tired of this debate) about dredging this up once again however, there is a question that I need to ask Keegs since he keeps referring to Caldwell having more time than Gaffney to work with Brady and the team and that's the reason for Gaffney's piss poor regular season performance.

Who would you think would have a better regular season; a rookie who knows nothing about playing in the NFL, never been in a pro system, has to learn a playbook that is at least 2-3 times bigger than anything he's seen before, and sidelined all of TC, mini-camps, and practices due to injury which hampered him throughout his entire regular season as well (he played in 12 games) OR a veteran WR who has had productive regular seasons on another team who comes to the Pats and plays 11 regular season games without injury?

Also, you are saying that you would choose a player over another based off of 3 games rather than 16 because of the "stage" on which they play.

I am SOOOO glad you are not making these personnel decisions, this team would fade into obscurity fast. Your rational is stupid and makes absolutely no sense what-so-ever.

Which one was a rookie, Caldwell or Gaffney?

 

[Keegs]

SORRY (to those who are tired of this debate) about dredging this up once again however, there is a question that I need to ask Keegs since he keeps referring to Caldwell having more time than Gaffney to work with Brady and the team and that's the reason for Gaffney's piss poor regular season performance.

Who would you think would have a better regular season; a rookie who knows nothing about playing in the NFL, never been in a pro system, has to learn a playbook that is at least 2-3 times bigger than anything he's seen before, and sidelined all of TC, mini-camps, and practices due to injury which hampered him throughout his entire regular season as well (he played in 12 games) OR a veteran WR who has had productive regular seasons on another team who comes to the Pats and plays 11 regular season games without injury?

Also, you are saying that you would choose a player over another based off of 3 games rather than 16 because of the "stage" on which they play.

I am SOOOO glad you are not making these personnel decisions, this team would fade into obscurity fast. Your rational is stupid and makes absolutely no sense what-so-ever.

I'm saying that i would rather have Gaffney playing than Caldwell.

If it was up to me, i would choose the receiver that elevated his game in the playoffs, rather than the one who pooped his pants.

I'm not sure what's so difficult to understand about this.

it's like the pro-caldwell side all of a sudden doesn't care about playoff performances.

and i would also like to know what rookie you are talking about..

 

[FarScapeR]

I believe the rookie being referred to here is Chad Jackson.

 

[Keegs]

I believe the rookie being referred to here is Chad Jackson.

Ohhhh, hmmmm

another brilliant comparison

 

[Lansdowne]

Gaffney's performance in the playoffs won me over. Especially that acrobatic catch in the endzone that made up for Ricochet's drop the previous play.

I will be very disappointed if Gaffney is not a Patriot for the 2007 season.

 

[pats1]

Gaffney's performance in the playoffs won me over. Especially that acrobatic catch in the endzone that made up for Ricochet's drop the previous play.

I will be very disappointed if Gaffney is not a Patriot for the 2007 season.

With that reasoning, you should be very disappointed that Jermaine Wiggins is not a Patriot in 2007.

 

[Keegs]

Ok something is definitely up.
I made the new thread with the poll, pats1 was the first to reply and posted a link.

on that link the voting was 67-65 Gaffney over Caldwell.

Now BoTown refreshes the thread, praising Gaffney (obviously not going to vote for Reche) and now the voting is 67-66.

Way back during the end of that thread it was getting suspicious that the Caldwell votes kept increasing yet everyone and their brother had already voted. And now the thread is refreshed again, (by a Gaffney supporter) and Caldwell has received yet another vote.

Pats1, are you somehow voting more than once?:singing:
I think i just stumped the Schwab

 

[pats1]

Voters: 133. You have already voted on this poll

Please tell me where the option to vote again is, Keegs. I'd be glad to know.

 

[Keegs]

Voters: 133. You have already voted on this poll

Please tell me where the option to vote again is, Keegs. I'd be glad to know.

that's what i would like to know

I'm going to get to the bottom of this, if it is the last thing i do.

It may not be you pats1, but i'm going to sniff out the turd, then do nothing because i have 0 authority here.

Maybe i can make a stink about it or something.

 

[pats1]

that's what i would like to know

I'm going to get to the bottom of this, if it is the last thing i do.

It may not be you pats1, but i'm going to sniff out the turd, then do nothing because i have 0 authority here.

Maybe i can make a stink about it or something.

Maybe you can blame one of the 30-odd people who have viewed (and possibly voted) in this thread in the past 15 or so minutes.

 

[Lansdowne]

With that reasoning, you should be very disappointed that Jermaine Wiggins is not a Patriot in 2007.

No, because Wiggins wasn't a Patriot last season. But if you must know I was indeed very disappointed that they didn't bring back the pride of Eastie for 2002. He had two unproductive seasons after leaving New England, but then went on to Minnesota and had 186 catches for 1,659 yards and 6 touchdowns in 3 seasons.

I can't really complain though when you consider he was replaced by Daniel Graham and Christian Fauria and two more Super Bowl titles. Having or not having Gaffney won't be anything major. I'm just partial to him because of how great he was in those 3 playoff games. Caldwell deserves credit for his performance in the San Diego game, but strangely enough Gaffney inspires more confidence to me. I would like the Pats to retain both; something has to be said about Caldwell being the most familiar with Brady as it relates to last season. But if they can't keep them both, keep Gaffney and send Caldwell packing. That's my story and I'm sticking to it!

 

[Keegs]

Voters: 133. You have already voted on this poll

Please tell me where the option to vote again is, Keegs. I'd be glad to know.

Voters: 133. Pats1 has already voted 9 times on this poll

that's what mine said.

Interesting. Very..... Interesting.

No wonder it's getting so close:singing:

 

[PatsSteve1]

IF the 3 WR's ahead of them are who we hope they are, I don't think it'll matter much which one of these 2 is kept. I don't know if comparing last year between the 2 is fair seeing Gaffney wasn't here as long and likely took some time to learn the O well enough for Brady to be comfortable with him. They both came into the NFL in 2002 and Gaffney has had the better the better career in total and once he got acclimated here did fairly well. He actually tied amoungst non-RB's for the catches in the playoffs. I would have liked to have seen him all last year here.

 

[RayClay]

IF the 3 WR's ahead of them are who we hope they are, I don't think it'll matter much which one of these 2 is kept. I don't know if comparing last year between the 2 is fair seeing Gaffney wasn't here as long and likely took some time to learn the O well enough for Brady to be comfortable with him. They both came into the NFL in 2002 and Gaffney has had the better the better career in total and once he got acclimated here did fairly well. He actually tied amoungst non-RB's for the catches in the playoffs. I would have liked to have seen him all last year here.

Absolutely! We need to change the name of this thread to Caldwell or Gaffney, who will make the best Defensive Back.

 

[pats1]

No, because Wiggins wasn't a Patriot last season. But if you must know I was indeed very disappointed that they didn't bring back the pride of Eastie for 2002. He had two unproductive seasons after leaving New England, but then went on to Minnesota and had 186 catches for 1,659 yards and 6 touchdowns in 3 seasons.

I can't really complain though when you consider he was replaced by Daniel Graham and Christian Fauria and two more Super Bowl titles. Having or not having Gaffney won't be anything major. I'm just partial to him because of how great he was in those 3 playoff games. Caldwell deserves credit for his performance in the San Diego game, but strangely enough Gaffney inspires more confidence to me. I would like the Pats to retain both; something has to be said about Caldwell being the most familiar with Brady as it relates to last season. But if they can't keep them both, keep Gaffney and send Caldwell packing. That's my story and I'm sticking to it!

How many catches did Gaffney have in the regular season again?

 

[BAM!]

How many catches did Gaffney have in the regular season again?

That would be a measly 11. An average of a WHOPPING 1 catch per game! :singing:

But don't look at the regular season and disregard the larger bady of his work because he did better in the playoffs. You know that pressure, if you can do it in the playoffs then obviously you are better (just don't compare Caldwell's regular season to Gaffney's because that blows up the entire argument).