Jeff Howe blows one completely - (Edit: Not Really)

[Fencer]

Patriots should find out Jimmy Garoppolo's value

Howe speculates about trading Jimmy G for an early first-round pick this year, forgetting that if the Patriots got such a pick, Troy Vincent would immediately take it off their hands.

I'm a big Howe fan for his after-game columns, which take the place of what Reiss used to do. But this one was pretty bad.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

...an early second-rounder (and perhaps more) to the Pats for Garoppolo?

If it’s the latter, the Patriots would be foolish not to listen, especially since they’ve been stripped of their first-round draft pick.

You must have missed this part. I am skeptical they could gain anything close to a high second round pick for a player who has not proven any value.

 

[VectorPrime]

If they could get Houston's pick at 22 and just bite the bullet with the difference and draft at 29 I'd do it.

 

[AzorianPats]

If they could get Houston's pick at 22 and just bite the bullet with the difference and draft at 29 I'd do it.

I wouldn't.

If they're looking for a first (highly doubt they get that much back) I'll just wait until next year. More than likely will be a much deeper draft.

Trading a player for the 22nd pick, and not picking until 29 is bad value.

 

[supafly]

Patriots should find out Jimmy Garoppolo's value

Howe speculates about trading Jimmy G for an early first-round pick this year, forgetting that if the Patriots got such a pick, Troy Vincent would immediately take it off their hands.

I'm a big Howe fan for his after-game columns, which take the place of what Reiss used to do. But this one was pretty bad.

I'm growing to respect Howe more and more as time goes on, as I think his work rivals even Reiss at times, but if he honestly feels as though we have a chance for an "early first round pick" for JG, he's completely screwed in the head.

As Ice Ice Brady points out, there's still a lot of gray area as to whether or not he'd even bring an early second round pick, let alone a first.

 

[manxman2601]

I'm growing to respect Howe more and more as time goes on, as I think his work rivals even Reiss at times, but if he honestly feels as though we have a chance for an "early first round pick" for JG, he's completely screwed in the head.

As Ice Ice Brady points out, there's still a lot of gray area as to whether or not he'd even bring an early second round pick, let alone a first.

Howe hasn't suggested a high first round pick for Jimmy though:

But what is Garoppolo worth to inquiring teams? Would the Browns (No. 2 overall pick), Cowboys (No. 4) or 49ers (No. 7) rather spend a top-10 pick on a quarterback, or use that early selection on, say, a dominant pass rusher while shipping an early second-rounder (and perhaps more) to the Pats for Garoppolo?

 

[supafly]

If they could get Houston's pick at 22 and just bite the bullet with the difference and draft at 29 I'd do it.

I get what you're saying, and I even agree with it to some extent. I think anything in the mid 20s would be just fine in terms of "only" losing several spots. That said, I don't think we'd get anyone to bite on JG for that kind of compensation, and even if we did, I'm not sure that I'd want to see it happen.

Grooming these QBs for multiple years through film study, constant changing of variables, knowing everyone's assignments, etc is difficult, and I don't think we'd benefit that much from starting the entire process over from scratch--particularly when there's still a chance that Brady misses 4 games. We need someone with experience who can step in and lead the team to 2+ victories, should that occur, and I honestly don't have much confidence in guys like Hoyer/Cassel as much as some others here do.

 

[supafly]

Howe hasn't suggested a high first round pick for Jimmy though:

Thanks for the clarification. I actually saw that the OP had missed that part, but also saw that someone else had pointed it out, so I figured that I'd just claim that Howe may be screwed in the head, instead.

 

[manxman2601]

Three things make me think that a Garoppolo trade is possible:

1. Two stories (Howe and Volin) on the same day about Jimmy G just gives me some pause that they've been told something or at least hinted at.
2. The Texans are in desperate need of a QB and were interested in Jimmy in the draft. If they don't like Connor Cook or Hackenburg then Jimmy seems the next best possibility.
3. Patriots talked to Kevin Hogan at the Senior Bowl and he's been described as a "beautiful mind" when it comes to football. Add football intelligence and Stanford together and you have someone BB could be very interested in.

On the other hand, we seemingly have a similar trading a QB narrative every year and it doesn't really amount to anything.

 

[DarrylS]

If the Patriots are true to form, they already know the value of Jimmy Garappolo..

The only issue with Jimmy G. is what to do with him.. he is under contract for two more years.. is he heir apparent to the throne of does he follow in the footsteps of Hoyer, O'Connell, Mallett et al??

 

[Froob]

I wonder what Goody would do if BB works out an NBA draft style trade and has the team who wants Garopollo draft our guy for us and trades him directly for Garopollo.

 

[supafly]

Hard to imagine getting rid of him while Brady's court case is still in the air. I don't think Belichick would get rid of our only capable backup.

I don't think much is learned during that first summer, as we've seen many QBs talk about that period as just trying to get the playbook down on some level.

 

[Sicilian]

I wonder what Goody would do if BB works out an NBA draft style trade and has the team who wants Garopollo draft our guy for us and trades him directly for Garopollo.

I think this has been discussed here before, and I'll try to sum it up as best I remember. After your picks have been selected, each team is given a "rookie pool", basically a set total amount of money that they're allowed under the cap to go to their rookie class. Since each draft slot has a fairly rigid salary allocation, the pool you get has to line up with the picks you selected or you're not going to have enough money to cover everyone.

Theoretically I suppose you could wait until after the player is signed, then trade for them right before camp starts, but there may be a rule against that too that I'm not aware of.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Three things make me think that a Garoppolo trade is possible:

1. Two stories (Howe and Volin) on the same day about Jimmy G just gives me some pause that they've been told something or at least hinted at.
2. The Texans are in desperate need of a QB and were interested in Jimmy in the draft. If they don't like Connor Cook or Hackenburg then Jimmy seems the next best possibility.
3. Patriots talked to Kevin Hogan at the Senior Bowl and he's been described as a "beautiful mind" when it comes to football. Add football intelligence and Stanford together and you have someone BB could be very interested in.

On the other hand, we seemingly have a similar trading a QB narrative every year and it doesn't really amount to anything.

I highly doubt Volin and Howe have any insider info on what the Pats are thinking

A trade could happen but with TBs courts case and his age I don't see them moving him. He's worth more to them now than a 2 nd round pick.

 

[FreeTedWilliams]

I have to agree with supafly here, I don't think now is the right time to move Garapollo. Brady could still ( not likely) be facing a four game suspension, plus the whole stripping of the first round pick and the poison pill inserted with that! Will make the Pat's by standarders in the NFL draft, at least until pick 30.

Maybe after the hearing, if the NFL loses and announces that it won't appeal (unlikely), then maybe the Pat's would think about moving him for a pick in the 2017 draft. But still, he remains the first best option as the back up. I know a lot of people say that the Pat's would be screwed if Brady went down and that is a correct ASSumtion, if he went down for the season, but what if he was to just miss maybe a few games. Then you would want a solid backup to fill the gap,until he returned.

 

[Batman]

It would be far more sensible to try and get pick 32 from the Browns. No chance of loss and it's only a drop of 3 spots. Not that I think JG is worth that much right now.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I have to agree with supafly here, I don't think now is the right time to move Garapollo. Brady could still ( not likely) be facing a four game suspension, plus the whole stripping of the first round pick and the poison pill inserted with that! Will make the Pat's by standarders in the NFL draft, at least until pick 30.

Maybe after the hearing, if the NFL loses and announces that it won't appeal (unlikely), then maybe the Pat's would think about moving him for a pick in the 2017 draft. But still, he remains the first best option as the back up. I know a lot of people say that the Pat's would be screwed if Brady went down and that is a correct ASSumtion, if he went down for the season, but what if he was to just miss maybe a few games. Then you would want a solid backup to fill the gap,until he returned.

Because they have the picks, Pats can always move up out of 60something to grab a player that fell out of the first round.

Unless they plan on cutting a ton of players Pats' 2016 roster is about 80% set already. They can afford to trade some picks either to move up or out to 2017.

 

[ausbacker]

I'd rather a second and whatever the Patriots can get as per their normal trade down haul. That'll show the corrupt bastards at the NYJFL. It could be a good time to trade into 2017.

 

[IllegalContact]

right now, moving chandler jones is much more logical

 

[varjao]

Brock Osweiller just kept the Broncos in the race and the HFA was essential for their SB run.

If you lose your QB for 2 or 3 games and have garbage as a backup the season is over or compromised. We are used to 12+ wins season but the Jets have now a good coach, if something goes south and the team is heading to a 11-5 or 10-6 record that may be the difference between a playoff spot or early vacation.

In my opinion it would be necessary a blockbuster trade to ship JG.