Revis Contract Prediction that I hope will not come true

[Double TE]

He turns 30 next July or before next season. I can definitely see him being at the same or 90% of what he is now for the next 4 seasons (ages: 30, 31, 32 and 33). I like Ivan's idea a lot. We actually agree on Revis but will continue to disagree on Welker.

 

[Miguel]

Are you suggesting Patriots' contracts are typically MORE backloaded than other teams'?

I am saying that the Patriots big money deals have been back-loaded. (Amendola, Gronk, Mayo, Wilfork, Mankins).

It is a cliche that almost none of the really big deals get played out. However, I'm pretty sure Ty Law played through his whole contract. And a lot of Patriots were traded, but got their contracts paid out by their new teams -- you'd know the details better than I, but I'm thinking of Mankins, Moss, McGinest, Vrabel, Seymour and others.

I'm pretty sure that Law did not play out his entire contract. Doubt that players sign deals expecting to be traded right before the start of the regular season. The Patriots are known for getting rid of a player a year early. Are you saying that perception is wrong?

 

[DaBronxPats14]

As I have mentioned before, this is Revis's first time with a truly professional organization from top to bottom. He has never won this much in the NFL.

I think that will give him plenty of thought on the logic of signing with a dysfunctional franchise simply for more money.

Agreed, And even though Revis experienced instant success with Rex goin to two AFCCGs, since those two Jet's Games they declined regressed then he gets hurt gets traded. Don't know how true it is that he reached out to Jets first prior to signing with Pats but if it was because of Rex I don't see him going to Bills unless he's released. He has a legitimate chance for SBs with us as long as TB & BB are here.

 

[Miguel]

I am not comparing the Patriots contracts to the rest of the league. Am talking about the Patriots. Just think that the Patriots big-money deals have been backloaded. Not including Tom Brady in the discussion because his current contract is not near his value. His prior contract was backloaded.
List of other examples of backloaded contracts
Mankins
Wilfork
Amendola
Gronkowski
Hernandez
Revis' current deal
Mayo
Law
Milloy
Seymour
Stallworth
Adalius Thomas

There are very few examples of pay-as you go or front-loaded contracts.

 

[Fencer]

I am saying that the Patriots big money deals have been back-loaded. (Amendola, Gronk, Mayo, Wilfork, Mankins).

You started this thread on the premise that that was a competitive disadvantage in signing Revis. Hence my question to you to confirm that you think other teams don't do what the Patriots do in this regard, at least to the same extent.

I'm pretty sure that Law did not play out his entire contract.

Whoops. I was wrong about that one.

The Patriots are known for getting rid of a player a year early. Are you saying that perception is wrong?

I think my memory was a bit off. Law and McGinest were indeed released. Moss was released by the team he was traded to, after he requested a trade. I think Vrabel and Seymour indeed played out their contracts post-trade. Bledsoe of course did not.

 

[Fencer]

I am not comparing the Patriots contracts to the rest of the league.

Then what was your point in starting this thread? Unless you think that Revis will have a massive career change and leave the NFL, other teams are relevant to the discussion.

 

[Miguel]

Then what was your point in starting this thread?

To give my opinion that it will not be the money that cause any possible impasse but the structure. Are there other teams who also backload their deals? Yes. There are also teams who use a pay as you go approach. There are also teams who have even-level cap hits.

When you shouted "Are you suggesting Patriots' contracts are typically MORE backloaded than other teams'?" I took MORE as relating to the player's contract that was backloaded. Now that I think that the more applies to the percentage of Patriots contracts. It would be helpful in the future to not use ALL caps.

 

[Fencer]

When you shouted "Are you suggesting Patriots' contracts are typically MORE backloaded than other teams'?" I took MORE as relating to the player's contract that was backloaded. Now that I think that the more applies to the percentage of Patriots contracts. It would be helpful in the future to not use ALL caps.

You were right the first time. And it seems you just answered my question in the affirmative.

But I don't think you're right to regard all caps in a single word as shouting. I just prefer it in some cases to other visual forms of emphasis.

 

[zipster9]

Guaranteed $$ is more important than #-of-yrs of the contract.

Hope for the best. Prepare for the worst (aka: 2015 draft).

 

[Miguel]

How about your 3 yr/42 million (14 million AAV) proposal with something of an 18 million dollar SB (your example), and salary structures of 7, 8, and 9 for the three years?

Yes. That is a even-cap level deal that is rare among Patriots big-money deals.

 

[Miguel]

Then what was your point in starting this thread?

Thanks for reminding me that I need to be more aware of my audience. When I created this thread the notion of how other teams structure their deals was not in forefront of my mind. Maybe it should have been.

 

[Oswlek]

Thanks for reminding me that I need to be more aware of my audience. When I created this thread the notion of how other teams structure their deals was not in forefront of my mind. Maybe it should have been.

It does make sense. If every other team also backloads their contracts, then NE's history of doing the same isn't much of an issue. Not that there won't be a team willing to do otherwise, but NE also has a history of paying elite players with more reasonable contracts as well.

 

[mgteich]

I don't know where the disagreements are.

A high salary 4th year (or even 3rd) year is irrelevant to signing Revis. What will matter is guaranteed money, and AAV that is likely to be received.

Few of us expect Revis to take a discount for the privilege of playing for the patriots.

Either the team and Revis will come to a deal by March 10th or he will be playing for another team.

 

[Oswlek]

I don't know where the disagreements are.

Miguel postulated that NE's tendency to backload contracts might be a problem. A few asked why that should be a particular item of interest when every other team does the same thing and NE actually has a history of giving more "real" contracts to elite players.

If NE backloaded contracts more dramatically or more frequently it would be a much bigger concern. To me, anyway.

 

[Fencer]

Thanks for reminding me that I need to be more aware of my audience. When I created this thread the notion of how other teams structure their deals was not in forefront of my mind. Maybe it should have been.

No worries. I just think it was one of the rare cases in which you left crucial information or analysis out.

 

[Miguel]

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on...r-team-structures-deals----and-why-it-matters

is a great piece about salary structures

 

[AzPatsFan]

Miguel postulated that NE's tendency to backload contracts might be a problem. A few asked why that should be a particular item of interest when every other team does the same thing and NE actually has a history of giving more "real" contracts to elite players.

If NE backloaded contracts more dramatically or more frequently it would be a much bigger concern. To me, anyway.

It seems to me that backloaded contracts create CAP Hell situations, eventually. Since BB eliminated the CAP Hell he found here, his first year, the Team has managed to largely avoid them, while producing consecutive winning records for a decade and a half. He couldn't do so with a descent into CAP Hell caused by backloading, so logically it was largely absent.

 

[Miguel]

A few asked why that should be a particular item of interest when every other team does the same thing and NE actually has a history of giving more "real" contracts to elite players.

Not every other team backloads the contracts. Where is this history? Is it with Mankins? Wilfork? Mayo? Gronk?

 

[Miguel]

Since BB eliminated the CAP Hell he found here, his first year, the Team has managed to largely avoid them

Tell that to Seymour, Moss, Mankins, Mayo, Amendola, and Gronk. To say that the Patriots have largely avoid giving backloaded contracts is to ignore the history.

 

[Miguel]

If the Bucs had backloaded their Revis deal instead of using a pay as you do structure they would have never have released him since the dead money would have too great. Using a pay as you go structure allowed them to release Revis with having a dead money hit in 2014. Should have mentioned that as well