Stork at guard Wendell at center?

[JMC00]

You know what I do not understand is why everyone is so dead set on Stork starting but nobody advocates to start Fleming. Fleming started 39
games at Stanford in a pro style offense, he had a 2nd round grade entering the draft and has played well in his opportunities this season. I think Fleming has done significantly more to earn a chance to start than Stork, and I think he is significantly more talented than Stork.

Like I said the other day I am drunk on the Stork and Fleming cool aid.

Give me Solder-Connolly-Stork-Fleming-Vollmer with Cannon as the backup T/G

 

[DaBruinz]

He wasn't, him and Connolly split first team reps throughout training camp.

Wrong. They did not split 1st team reps.. Connolly got 90% of them. Stork took some and Wendell was with the 2s and 3s.. Wendell only took 1 series during pre-season with the 1st team..

 

[Brady6]

Like I said the other day I am drunk on the Stork and Fleming cool aid.

Give me Solder-Connolly-Stork-Fleming-Vollmer with Cannon as the backup T/G

I would prefer Solder-Cannon-Stork-Fleming-Vollmer. I think Cannon could develop into a dominate LG with a little more time.

 

[Brady6]

Wrong. They did not split 1st team reps.. Connolly got 90% of them. Stork took some and Wendell was with the 2s and 3s.. Wendell only took 1 series during pre-season with the 1st team..

Stork didn't take a snap until the 4th game of the preseason and was receiving 3rd string reps throughout OTAs and in training camp prior to his injury.

Wendell took first reps in the first 3 playoff games so I'm not sure where you came up with 1 series but it is not true and if you don't believe me go back and watch the games again.

 

[JMC00]

I would prefer Solder-Cannon-Stork-Fleming-Vollmer. I think Cannon could develop into a dominate LG with a little more time.

Not against that one either. It's still head scratching that they didn't have Cannon playing any G in the preseason and then he was just thrust into the LG spot.

These last 3 games are pretty much his preseason as far as playing Guard in 2014 is concerned.

 

[Brady6]

Not against that one either. It's still head scratching that they didn't have Cannon playing any G in the preseason and then he was just thrust into the LG spot.

These last 3 games are pretty much his preseason as far as playing Guard is concerned.

I would start the 3 youngsters at LG, OC, RG and if one of them is struggling in a particular game I would pull them and insert Connolly.

 

[DaBruinz]

Stork didn't take a snap until the 4th game of the preseason and was receiving 3rd string reps throughout OTAs and in training camp prior to his injury.

Wendell took first reps in the first 3 playoff games so I'm not sure where you came up with 1 series but it is not true and if you don't believe me go back and watch the games again.

WRONG.. Wendell didn't take any first string reps until the 3 pre-season game and it was 1 series..

Clearly you didn't watch the pre-season.. Nor can you distinguish pre-season from the playoffs..

 

[hwc]

Wendell was the starting center until he left the game with injury in Week 1. I see nothing to suggest that he won't be the starting center when he's healthy. IMO, this line desperately needs a veteran voice making the line calls at center right now.

I don't really understand the fascination with predicting an exact line up. The reality is that all of the o-linemen are going to play during the season as players miss time due to injury. And most of them will be required to substitute for multiple positions.

 

[Brady6]

WRONG.. Wendell didn't take any first string reps until the 3 pre-season game and it was 1 series..

Clearly you didn't watch the pre-season.. Nor can you distinguish pre-season from the playoffs..

OK DaBruinz I am not going to argue with you over it, if you go back and watch the games you will see that you are wrong, Wendell played first team snaps in week 1, 2, and 3 of the preseason.

I am not sure what the playoffs have to do with this, nobody mentioned anything about the playoffs but since one occurs in Jan/Feb and the other occurs in Aug it would seem rather idiotic to suggest that anyone capable of understanding a calendar cannot distinguish between the 2.

P.S. – I am still waiting on that link about Marcus Cannon practicing at OG when at TCU. Please post it when you have an opportunity I am very interested in seeing more about Cannon pre-Patriots.

 

[Brady6]

Wendell was the starting center until he left the game with injury in Week 1. I see nothing to suggest that he won't be the starting center when he's healthy. IMO, this line desperately needs a veteran voice making the line calls at center right now.

I don't really understand the fascination with predicting an exact line up. The reality is that all of the o-linemen are going to play during the season as players miss time due to injury. And most of them will be required to substitute for multiple positions.

To be honest if we could get the 2012 Ryan Wendell at OC it would be a positive addition to are OL. Solder-Cannon-Wendell-Connolly-Vollmer is not a dream OL but it at least consists of 5 players proven capable of starting at the NFL level.

 

[AzPatsFan]

Connolly is "probable." I expect he will start.

Good News.

 

[AzPatsFan]

I would prefer Solder-Cannon-Stork-Fleming-Vollmer. I think Cannon could develop into a dominate LG with a little more time.

I also think Cannon could become a good Guard, over time. I think that is the line, Solder, Cannon, Stork, Fleming, Vollmer, that Belichick envisioned as well. But Rome wasn't built in a day. Cannon has had 3 games at LG next to Solder. He and Solder should start to see some progress.

Stork was set back in Training Camp with an injury. But he has now seen about two to three quarters of snaps at Center. He looks almost ready to play there, full time. Once he starts, then he will need 2-3 games to settle down, I would expect.

Connolly, if able, can return to his RG spot, until things settle down. The next couple of games are played on the road at Arrowhead, and the Pats play the Bengals at home. The Bengals game may be extra important for HFA in the Playoffs.

Once the left side of the line stabilizes, than BB and Gug can think about giving Flemming a chance on the right side, perhaps.

KC has two good pass-rushers outside in Hali and Houston and a gargantuan NT in Dontari Poe. I'd put our two best pass protectors on them, in Solder and Vollmer. Poe is the kind of DT that gave Wendell fits, many times simply overpowering him, and bull rushing RW back into Brady.

For better or worse, I'd be inclined to play the bigger guy, Stork on Poe, with Connoly/Wendell at RG and calling the line blocking assignments if needed.

 

[Ring 6]

Wendell was the starting center until he left the game with injury in Week 1. I see nothing to suggest that he won't be the starting center when he's healthy. IMO, this line desperately needs a veteran voice making the line calls at center right now.

I don't really understand the fascination with predicting an exact line up. The reality is that all of the o-linemen are going to play during the season as players miss time due to injury. And most of them will be required to substitute for multiple positions.

Wendell did not start week 1. He subbed in for Devey for 20 plays.

 

[DaBruinz]

OK DaBruinz I am not going to argue with you over it, if you go back and watch the games you will see that you are wrong, Wendell played first team snaps in week 1, 2, and 3 of the preseason.

I am not sure what the playoffs have to do with this, nobody mentioned anything about the playoffs but since one occurs in Jan/Feb and the other occurs in Aug it would seem rather idiotic to suggest that anyone capable of understanding a calendar cannot distinguish between the 2.

P.S. – I am still waiting on that link about Marcus Cannon practicing at OG when at TCU. Please post it when you have an opportunity I am very interested in seeing more about Cannon pre-Patriots.

You really don't know what you are talking about. Wendell did NOT play any first team snaps in weeks 1 and 2. The 1st team was Solder, Mankins, Connolly, Devey, Vollmer. Wendell didn't see the field until they started rotating in guys like Kline and the others.. The only time that Wendell saw "1st team" snaps was in game 3. He saw 1 series in the 2nd quarter with the 1st team. Then he was back on the bench until the 2nd half when the 2nd team took the field.

You have this pre-ponderance of insisting you're right even when you've been proven wrong. Go and look at the articles about how much playing time Connolly and Devey were getting in TC.

As for the article about Cannon, I'm not going to waste my time with you anymore. It's not worth the time or the effort to set you straight. You just go right back to spewing ridiculousness within a couple of weeks.

 

[Brady6]

I also think Cannon could become a good Guard, over time. I think that is the line, Solder, Cannon, Stork, Fleming, Vollmer, that Belichick envisioned as well. But Rome wasn't built in a day. Cannon has had 3 games at LG next to Solder. He and Solder should start to see some progress.

Stork was set back in Training Camp with an injury. But he has now seen about two to three quarters of snaps at Center. He looks almost ready to play there, full time. Once he starts, then he will need 2-3 games to settle down, I would expect.

Connolly, if able, can return to his RG spot, until things settle down. The next couple of games are played on the road at Arrowhead, and the Pats play the Bengals at home. The Bengals game may be extra important for HFA in the Playoffs.

Once the left side of the line stabilizes, than BB and Gug can think about giving Flemming a chance on the right side, perhaps.

KC has two good pass-rushers outside in Hali and Houston and a gargantuan NT in Dontari Poe. I'd put our two best pass protectors on them, in Solder and Vollmer. Poe is the kind of DT that gave Wendell fits, many times simply overpowering him, and bull rushing RW back into Brady.

For better or worse, I'd be inclined to play the bigger guy, Stork on Poe, with Connoly/Wendell at RG and calling the line blocking assignments if needed.

I am not so sure they view Fleming as an OG, I think he was drafted primarily to replace Cannon as the backup OT if Cannon is not resigned in the offseason. That may all change now, we will have to wait and see. I think the hope was that Halapio would be the power RG but that did not pan out.

I am not as high on Stork as most on this board, I will just leave it at that.

 

[Brady6]

You really don't know what you are talking about. Wendell did NOT play any first team snaps in weeks 1 and 2. The 1st team was Solder, Mankins, Connolly, Devey, Vollmer. Wendell didn't see the field until they started rotating in guys like Kline and the others.. The only time that Wendell saw "1st team" snaps was in game 3. He saw 1 series in the 2nd quarter with the 1st team. Then he was back on the bench until the 2nd half when the 2nd team took the field.

You have this pre-ponderance of insisting you're right even when you've been proven wrong. Go and look at the articles about how much playing time Connolly and Devey were getting in TC.

As for the article about Cannon, I'm not going to waste my time with you anymore. It's not worth the time or the effort to set you straight. You just go right back to spewing ridiculousness within a couple of weeks.

Why would I do that I have the games on my DVR still I can just go play them and see Wendell on the field with the first team. As I said I am not fighting with you over something so meaningless, believe what you want and I will believe what I want.

If you proved me wrong on any fact I would admit it but when all you do is write using aggression I do not view that as proving me wrong, I view that as attempting to save face. If you want to provide some content to support your claims feel free, otherwise this is just spin in my eyes.

 

[Mack Herron]

Why would I do that I have the games on my DVR still I can just go play them and see Wendell on the field with the first team. As I said I am not fighting with you over something so meaningless, believe what you want and I will believe what I want.

If you proved me wrong on any fact I would admit it but when all you do is write using aggression I do not view that as proving me wrong, I view that as attempting to save face. If you want to provide some content to support your claims feel free, otherwise this is just spin in my eyes.

The argument is pointless unless you really think you can predict personnel assessments from pre-season snaps.

Some of the conclusions we have drawn:

Kline is the top option at left guard. In the two games Mankins played this preseason, Josh Kline was the player to follow him each time. Kline played 17 series this preseason -- seven at left guard and 10 at right guard -- so he fits on either side. The team's extended look at him at both guard spots probably provided some added comfort to management in trading Mankins. Kline is a player on the rise and one to learn more about as he now projects to a top role.

Cannon hasn't played at guard. Not a single snap at guard for four-year veteran Marcus Cannon, who has worked at right guard at times in practice and occasionally in regular-season games. Perhaps that changes in the preseason finale but Cannon seems most comfortable at tackle, which is where he's lined up for all 15 of his series. Something to watch for tonight.

Getting a feel for where Devey fits. Of the 30 series played by first-year offensive lineman Jordan Devey, only five came at left guard, all in the opening game when Mankins didn't play. Of the remaining series, 14 came at right guard, with the remaining 11 at left tackle with the second- and third-unit lines. Based on the way things have unfolded, Devey's best chance to break into the starting lineup would seemingly be if the team keeps Dan Connolly at center, potentially opening up the right guard spot for him.

http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/new-...4766972/studying-patriots-o-line-combinations

 

[chasa]

wendell seems to be a turnstyle at whatever positions he plays.

I'd rather him not even be on the squad.