Pats draft QB Jimmy Garropolo from Eastern Illinois in the 2nd round

[AzorianPats]

MAYBE is the key word EVERY YR. Just cuz an end elite wr can't carry a bad team to a championship that means a team is better off without them. Brady hasn't carried us to a championship so that means a franchise qb isn't very important. The opposite is true huh? Your logic won't go very far. I don't think teams around the NFL are going to be dumping their wr's and finding short slow wr's cuz the patriots have won without decent. Wr's. I doubt edelman will ever be trendier than a 200lb woman. We are winning because we have best qb ever. Even former patriots like bruschi,vrabel and Mcginest are frustrated how Brady is expected to carry our offense featuring the wonder twins as the #1 #2 wr's.

Furthermore NOBODY is talking bout just a deep threat. Instead we are talking a wr who can win intermediate on a consistent basis with ability to make defenses respect him getting deep with a combination of size speed athleticism to highpoint the ball. It opens things up for himself,the pass catching rbs and the te's not to mention the short slow limited slot wr who should be nothing more than a #3wr.Marquise Lee isnt a 4.2 40 guy or 6'4 but is 6' and he has very good functional speed to win intermediate routes with athleticism to highpoint the ball if he doesn't separate deep.Like 3rd and 15 when the defense reads the play yet the wr can still win. Just something lplayoffs. The wonder twins totally lack that ability making them terribly limited pass catchers thus easy to defend.Maybe Calvin hasn't won a championship but when was the last team to win it all not had a legit talented playmaker. Even the seahawks and sf had better wr's than us. They have dominating defenses yet STILL SEE THE NEED TO GET BETTER AT WR. The colts have t.y. Hilton who is far superior to any of our wr's yet they wanted to upgrade. BECAUSE THEY KNOW ITS IMPORTANT TO SCORING POINTS. Even the top defenses want to upgrade at wr. Has anybody noticed the offense struggles more and more every yr in the playoffs and we get our buts kicked at some point. It has become a recurring theme. Who is happy making the playoffs every year then have a buttkicking waiting.

To me everything other than winning the Superbowl sucks and is utter failure. With Tom Brady at qb a championship should be expected every year. I would rather not make the playoffs and fill the holes/weaknesses and win the championship next year than get our but kicked 2 consecutive seasons in the playoffs. Maybe the team needs to take a step back b4 going forward. Maybe getting swept by The Bills will show our Bill upgrades are needed. I imagine as long as he wins the division thsts good enough and he sees no need to upgrade to NFL caliber wr's.

Does anybody recall the dolphins made postseason every yr I believe from 1996 to 2003 yet in 2001 or 2002 didn't sellout a home playoff game cuz fans were bored with making playoffs and losing. To prevent a blackout many big companies bought up tickets. I watched maybe 10 plays of the Superbowl,my team wasn't there and I didn't care who won it. If the offense struggles out of gate maybe bill trades for a wr.

Brady been damn close to leading us to a championship though many of times. When's the last time Detroit or Chicago with their elite WR been to the playoffs?

Great QB, and a strong defense is what wins championships. I have confidence in our WR group.

And BTW, when healthy Gronk is an elite receiver.

 

[Snake Eyes]

Brady been damn close to leading us to a championship though many of times. When's the last time Detroit or Chicago with their elite WR been to the playoffs?

Great QB, and a strong defense is what wins championships. I have confidence in our WR group.

And BTW, when healthy Gronk is an elite receiver.

QBs won't be that great without a sufficient receiving corp, there was a pretty obvious relationship last season with Brady's numbers without Gronk and Vereen as opposed to with them.

Also, Gronk is very often injured, counting on him to be healthy is like playing the lottery as an investment strategy.

 

[AzorianPats]

QBs won't be that great without a sufficient receiving corp, there was a pretty obvious relationship last season with Brady's numbers without Gronk and Vereen as opposed to with them.

Also, Gronk is very often injured, counting on him to be healthy is like playing the lottery as an investment strategy.

Your also assuming that the second year guys like Dobson, Tompkins etc won't make that second year jump. Not to mention we don't know what we have yet with guys like Harrison and the rookie Gallon. We picked up Lafell and we still have Edelman and Amendola. Our WR situation is 10x better this year then it was a year ago.

Is it already confirmed that Gronk going on IR? Until he is I'm counting on him to make an impact. He's the best TE in the game.

Complain about our WR situation all you want, but it's still much better than Seattle's. And since their the team everyone wants to compare too, i think that says something.

 

[AzPatsFan]

That is a point superfly and you are intelligent enough to see the big pic. Farmer said that to be optimistic but Noway he parts with Gordon for anything less than a #1 even if he doesn't play in 2014. Cleveland has said he is a vital part of Cleveland's future. To much talent there. A top 5 wr for next decade. I'm not saying a prime a Johnson or Fitzgerald just somebody with some combination of size speed athleticism and physicality to win on 3rd and 10 when the defense reads the play and its up to the wr to still win. Jeremy Maclin(as long as he hasn't lost anything to injuries),Andre Johnson at 33, or some young talent ready to breakout like MAYBE Quick(homework to b done determine if overrated),Sanders or Justin Black on(perhaps new team/structured disciplined environment could sway goodell to let him back on the field this year sometime) or one of the talented wr's in the draft like Lee or Latimer or even Marty Bryant.

Just cuz Calvin hasn't carried a bad team and won a championship doesn't mean they aren't very important and teams should find the shortest slowest wr available. Brady hasn't won in a decade now but doesn't mean a franchise qb isnt important. I don't think anybody is asking for Calvin Johnson but its apparent we need a legit feared playmaking wr and lacking one has held us back the last 3 seasons. Every team to make or win the Superbowl last Decade or more has had a good feared playmaker except for us in 2011. Its so frustrating to everybody cuz it seems bill can't possibly find shorter slower wr's.

I have news for you. Megatron did not win a championship. Neither did Vince Jackson, nor D Thomas. Your WR fascination is beyond rational explanation.

 

[supafly]

Also, Gronk is very often injured, counting on him to be healthy is like playing the lottery as an investment strategy.

I wish you would have told me this before I went out and purchased 10,000 scratch off tickets in the hopes of adding to my retirement account!

 

[supafly]

Complain about our WR situation all you want, but it's still much better than Seattle's. And since their the team everyone wants to compare too, i think that says something.

I think that SEA's strong, physical, and relatively consistent defense is worth seeing as the bar to try and reach.

Other than that, they are nothing more to me than a team who represents the flavor of the month that we've seen time and time again, in terms of getting hot at the right time of the year. Hell, they may not even win the division this year.

 

[Gymrat]

I have news for you. Megatron did not win a championship. Neither did Vince Jackson, nor D Thomas. Your WR fascination is beyond rational explanation.

Come on azpats I'm not saying we need Calvin. But cuz Calvin hasn't won a championship does it mean you don't need at least a legit wr who can win on 3rd and 15 when the defense gears to stop you.

Tom hasn't won one in a decade does it mean a franchise qb isn't needed. Tell me the last team in a Superbowl to not have aimportant legit playmaking wr besides us. And we got by cuz we have the best qb ever. Our offense has consistently stumbled in the playoffs last several yes mainly due to our wr's were dominated by bigger faster more athletic corners.come on this is a passing league but we are only team where The DB's r bigger faster more athletic than our wr's. And it shows in playoffs. Think what Tom could do with legit talent at wr. Noway any team gets it done with edelman as its most productive wr. DBs r simply better than he and amendola. Bigger longer faster more athletic. They have fun guarding them 2.

Aren't you curious what this offense could do with a marquise Lee talent. Aren't at the offense stonewalled in the playoffs every yr. Don't you think a playmaker at wr would change that. Even conservative dominating defense teams are trying their best at upgrading wr playmakers cuz they wanna win and know wr's are very important. This is nuts but really I don't wanna argue. Who was last team in championship game that didn't have at least legit playmaking wr's

Even the fans who know we lack talent at wr but try to believe we don't need talent at wr cuz they know we dont have one anyways would bust a nu+ if we acquired a decent legit playmaker wr. Aren't you curious what we could do in January if tom had half the talent manning does. Even seahawks and SF upgraded at wr.

 

[DaBruinz]

Umm Flacco has an elite accurate arm and warner was surrounded by future hall of famers and pro bowlers. That's hardly the patriot offense.

Armstrength can be improved. One only has to look at Tom Brady for that.
Warner took the starting job in St. Louis and took a 4-12 team to the SB during his 1st year as the QB there.

If gp has to play he will b surrounded by an ordinary slot wr as his #1 target who shouldn't be any more than a #3. A Carolina castoff. And a group of wr's thrilled to just b in the NFL. Don't even act like we stole lafell with a briefcase of money. He was cheap and could have easily been resigned but Carolina wanted upgrade their lackluster wr's from ground up. Dobson would have been nothing more than a late fourth this draft. Sometime after Marty Bryant whom I can't believe we passed on for dork. Ben to Bryant is going to haunt us garunteed. We could have traded our third rd pick along with gp pick up to draft Lee or Jordan Matthews. Would u rather have gp and stork or marquise Lee? The missing piece to our offense.

Actually, a$3M SB isn't really that cheap for LaFell. Carolina cast-off? No. LaFell chose to leave Carolina. Carolina didn't WANT to upgrade from the ground up. They had no choice because LaFell (their #2) left as did their #1, Steve Smith.

So, now Marquise Lee, who hasn't done squat in the NFL, is now the missing piece to the Pats offense?

I have hope for go as well. Just odds aren't in our favor there. The key to a thriving offense after Brady isn't reaching for a qb n hope he can carry an offense with below average playmakers like Brady does. That's extremely rare. Key is build an offense with playmakers who can win on all levels of the field, short middle deep with speed,route running, and ball skills in a good system. An online that can dominate or compete with talented pass rushing De's and DT's one on one and create space in the running game. THEN find the young replacement to slide in after Brady retires who can get the ball to the playmakers consistently. Increases the chances of go or any qb thriving. For the record I believe Garappolo could do it with some work with Brady over next 2/3 yes. His arm is a Lil better than credited. With that said now is not the time for go. Good back ups can b had for 6th rd picks in trades or cheap in fa. Former so called busts drafted by terrible teams and expected to be the saviour and carry terrible teams in bad systems make good back ups and or future starters. Notice all young flourishing qbs are on good teams with great systems. Kaepernick,Foles,Wilson. Busts and struggling qbs are expected to carry bad teams. The go and stork picks should have been converted to Marquise Lee.

How do you figure that the Pats REACHED for a QB? Garoppolo was rated as a 2nd round pick?
Below average play-makers?? HUH?? So now guys like Edelman, Vereen, Ridley, etc are below average play-makers?

 

[Brady6]

How do you figure that the Pats REACHED for a QB? Garoppolo was rated as a 2nd round pick?

I agree, Garopollo was not a reach in terms of draft position, he was rated the #47 prospect by draft scout and CBS. The Patriots taking him at #62 was actually great value, many had him going #33 to Houston.

 

[Gymrat]

Panthers have no wr's yet let 3mil stand in the way. Nobody let's a good wr go for that. Rivera said he elected to rebuild the position ground up. Makes him a castoff.

 

[Brady6]

I think that SEA's strong, physical, and relatively consistent defense is worth seeing as the bar to try and reach.

Other than that, they are nothing more to me than a team who represents the flavor of the month that we've seen time and time again, in terms of getting hot at the right time of the year. Hell, they may not even win the division this year.

I could not believe Seattle added these 3 players as UDFA –
-Jackson Jeffcoat
-Brock Coyle
-Dion Baily

 

[Gymrat]

Edelman is below average.they payed amendola 35 mil,shows how much they thought of his ability after 5 seasons. Btw rams showed no interest to sign amendola either

 

[Gymrat]

Re

Armstrength can be improved. One only has to look at Tom Brady for that.
Warner took the starting job in St. Louis and took a 4-12 team to the SB during his 1st year as the QB there.



Actually, a$3M SB isn't really that cheap for LaFell. Carolina cast-off? No. LaFell chose to leave Carolina. Carolina didn't WANT to upgrade from the ground up. They had no choice because LaFell (their #2) left as did their #1, Steve Smith.

So, now Marquise Lee, who hasn't done squat in the NFL, is now the missing piece to the Pats offense?



How do you figure that the Pats REACHED for a QB? Garoppolo was rated as a 2nd round pick?
Below average play-makers?? HUH?? So now guys like Edelman, Vereen, Ridley, etc are below average play-makers?

Reached cuz they don't have weapons for the qb they have. Good backups are everywhere. And what good is a backup. What qb in this universe could function with edelman as its most productive wr besides Brady.

 

[Gymrat]

Vereen is a good wr back,great maybe. Wished he showed just slightly more as a runner. He is OK but would like him closer to shady

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Your also assuming that the second year guys like Dobson, Tompkins etc won't make that second year jump. Not to mention we don't know what we have yet with guys like Harrison and the rookie Gallon. We picked up Lafell and we still have Edelman and Amendola. Our WR situation is 10x better this year then it was a year ago.

Is it already confirmed that Gronk going on IR? Until he is I'm counting on him to make an impact. He's the best TE in the game.

Complain about our WR situation all you want, but it's still much better than Seattle's. And since their the team everyone wants to compare too, i think that says something.

Gronk will be 80% of what he was before the injury. It will take another season for him to feel totally recovered. It's just the nature of an ACL injury, unfortunately. Still, 80% Gronk is better than 95% of the tEs in the league.

 

[Huckleberry1]

I don't see how we can argue this with the draft experts who insist they have to have a true number one WR to win a championship. Just look at the way the Lions have racked up Lombardi's since signing Johnson to that huge deal, and if that isn't enough then look at the Cardinals, who have also been tearing the league up and piling up Lombardi's with Fitzgerald and his 100 million dollar deal. When the Patriots won their Lombardi's they had the best WR in football out there (David Givens), when the Steelers won their they had the best WR in the league (Santonio Holmes), and the same goes for the ravens (Anquon Boldin) . The bottom line is that the record speaks for itself, if you don't have the best WR in the league you cannot win the Super Bowl, and year after year that fact holds true, so when the draft experts like Gymrat and Snake Eyes aren't actually draftnik idiots who don't know what the hell they are talking about they are just using solid factual analysis that proves their point, and once again the Seahawks showed they really know their stuff, it isn't about defense it's all about the big No.1 WR. That's the key.

 

[Brady6]

You can win the super bowl many different ways. Would having a Calvin Johnson help us absolutely, is it necessary to win, no. As far as comparing what Johnson or Fitzgerald have won in their careers that is silly, the NFL is a team sport it takes an offense, defense, and special teams to win, those players are not any less great because they have not been surrounded by enough to be a winning football team.

Fitzgerald did win a NFC championship in 2009 for what it is worth.

 

[DaBruinz]

I said "weapons", not bodies, there's a difference.

Clearly you don't know what a weapon is..But then, you've been one of the chicken littles for a long time now.

 

[DaBruinz]

Reached cuz they don't have weapons for the qb they have. Good backups are everywhere. And what good is a backup. What qb in this universe could function with edelman as its most productive wr besides Brady.

You claim they don't have weapons for the QB, yet you are full of it. Dobson, Ridley, Vereen, Gronkowski, Edelman. Those are weapons. Edelman is a better WR than you are a poster or talent evaluator... In fact, you make Edelman look like an All-Pro.

You seem to forget that Tom Brady won 3 SBs with the likes of Julian Edelman type receivers as the primary receiver. Yes, that's right. Troy Brown, David Patten and Deion Branch.. Very similar types of receiver. But, yeah.. let's forget that it was the O-line that was the issue in the play-offs for the offense.

 

[Snake Eyes]

Your also assuming that the second year guys like Dobson, Tompkins etc won't make that second year jump. Not to mention we don't know what we have yet with guys like Harrison and the rookie Gallon. We picked up Lafell and we still have Edelman and Amendola. Our WR situation is 10x better this year then it was a year ago.

Is it already confirmed that Gronk going on IR? Until he is I'm counting on him to make an impact. He's the best TE in the game.

Complain about our WR situation all you want, but it's still much better than Seattle's. And since their the team everyone wants to compare too, i think that says something.

Why should I assume Dobson and Thompkins will make that jump? It's nothing but an assumption, they are what they are, and my opinion of them reflects that, if they improve I'll change my opinion. I'm not confirming that Gronk will go to IR, I just don't assume he'll make much of an impact, I think he's going to take his time coming back and will get injured which will limit his productivity, he doesn't understand how to avoid impact nor does he have the body skills to redistribute it once he does.

As far as Seattle goes, it's their defense which in envied, and rightfully so. We shouldn't strive to be them on offense.