Seahawks Wanted Easley

[hwc]

It's different from us, if Easley does not pan out or blow another ACL BB will hear a lot of ****.

Any draft pick or any NFL player on any play in training camp or in a game can "blow out" an ACL. Happens all the time (see Brady, Welker, Revis, Gronkowski, RG3). The reality of today's surgical and rehab procedures is that nearly all players who have reconstructive ACL replacement surgery are able to return to a high level of play in 12 to 18 months and continue their careers. From a medical standpoint, Easley was no more of a risk than signing Revis or keeping Gronk on the roster.

 

[mayoclinic]

It's easy to overlook the fact that the Pats have now been drafting consistently at the bottom of every round for 12 years in a row. The only way they can get one of the flashy players in the draft is to get lucky on the trade of a future pick with a bad team or find a guy with some kind of blemish (like injury) that drives him down to us.

The jury's obviously still out on Easley, but if he pans out the Pats will have managed to land impact defenders in the past 3 drafts: Chandler Jones, Jamie Collins and Easley. A cornerstone pass rushing RDE, a freakishly athletic LB who can create mismatches all over the field, and a potential impact disruptive DT/DE who can attack from any gap on the DL. They've acquired those 3 picks by trading up (for Jones, who was expected to go in the top 20 picks in 2012 but managed to slip through the cracks), trading back (for Collins, who was raw due to frequent coaching and position changes, and who the Pats indicate they would have taken at 29 if they hadn't been able to trade back), and standing pat (for Easley, who BB describes as a potential "impact player" rated accordingly on their draft board, and who would have likely gone top 10-15 without the injury history). Again, Collins is a work in progress and Easley has yet to see the field, but that's outstanding work to acquire prime defensive talent 3 years in a row while drafting at the back of the 1st round.

 

[Marqui]

BB uses the "impact" word describing Easley:



http://nesn.com/2014/05/bill-belichick-patriots-not-worried-about-dominique-easleys-torn-acl/

I'm not sure I've ever heard him use that term to describe a draft prospect before. "Productive", absolutely. Words like "can do a lot of things well" come to mind. But flat out saying that a guy can be an "impact player" and that "his grade on our board reflected that" - that's going pretty far, as far as I can recall.

I wonder if that's the outside influence of Lombardi/Schiano.

 

[Wheelman]

They've acquired those 3 picks by trading up (for Jones, who was expected to go in the top 20 picks in 2012 but managed to slip through the cracks), trading back (for Collins, who was raw due to frequent coaching and position changes, and who the Pats indicate they would have taken at 29 if they hadn't been able to trade back), and standing pat (for Easley, who BB describes as a potential "impact player" rated accordingly on their draft board, and who would have likely gone top 10-15 without the injury history).

Source?

 

[mayoclinic]

Source?

Robert Kraft addressed this after the 2013 draft:

Kraft stressed the front office's excitement of using a league-high five picks in the first 102 selections, and even though they didn't use a first-round pick, they felt they got the same talent with two second-rounders, two third-rounders and a fourth-rounder.

"We felt this was a deep draft in the second and third rounds, so we're excited about that," Kraft said.

Kraft was also asked if he could understand any frustration from the fans because they traded out of the first round again.

"As a fan, I could feel that way," Kraft said. "As someone who hates losing in the fall, which is really what matters, we picked five players in the first 102, which is more than any other team picked and the real strength of the draft. If we had drafted in the top 20-25, we would have taken the same players that we took later. For us, from a cap point of view of having financial flexibility and the talent, I think this draft wound up very well for us. I understand fans who don't have the full knowledge of what goes on and the value that's there, how they could be disappointed, but I think we got the equivalent of first-round draft choices in the second and third round, the way I look at it. But time will tell."

http://bostonherald.com/sports/patriots_nfl/the_blitz/2013/05/robert_kraft_introduces_jamie_collins_says_trading_down_helped

Since Kraft said that if they had drafted in the top 20-25 the Pats would have taken the same players that they took later, and that they got the equivalent of first-round draft choices in the second round, I interpret that as meaning that they had a 1st round grade on Collins and that they would have taken him with their first pick at 29 (or even earlier).

 

[AzPatsFan]

Heretofore BB has always emphasized that he did NOT gamble with First Round picks. He reserved the 2nd and 3rd rounds to try to balance having to draft at the tail end for a dozen years. BB emphasized the First was for assure a thing as was possible. Some gambles worked, others didn't, and some got rained out to injury, like Ras-I, or Wheatley, or impatience, Butler.

But overall, the league standings results show he won more often than not.

The Draftnik clucks can name the less successful ones and recite them from memory but conveniently forget the successes.

This has to be the first time BB has gambled in the FIrst. So maybe it was not such of a Gamble in his mind, after talking to Dr. Andrews,and others. Easly must really be a great talent for BB to do what he has, and to deviate so much from his preferred image of a DT.

Consequently, I look forward to a DROY and future Pro Bowls for Dominique.

 

[Gymrat]

Collins is every bit the player Dion Jordan and mingo are! This guy is a freak. I would rate him above Jordan actually and maybe mingo to. The lions pick is perhaps stronger and more filled out. Hopefully Collins is training with chandler Jones. With an added 10/12 lbs of musclebulk Collins could be a top 3-4 rush olb edge rusher in the NFL with top pure lb skills to cover. Making him a top 5\6 edge rusher at olb yet playing traditional lb duties. Translation, when he blitzes there will be no answer for him. it would be like an OLine locked up with a good dline. Then all suddenly clay Matthews or some other de or rush lb blitzes. Who could defend that? Collins is a great blitzer like he is. But he could add 10 lbs muscle and become clay Matthews like as a blitzer and DE/rush olb size. He would easily retain all of his athleticism while slightly bulking. But gain DE power with top lb skills. I truly believe Collins with just 10 more lbs of muscle bulk to go with his freakish speed/ athleticism to perform lb duties is defensive player of year material. We are talking a LB super in coverage and lb with ability of qwik twitch 3-4 olb passrushers. I'm thinking DPOY awards maybe. Just needs to slightly bulk for passrusher duties. I know what some are thinking. But really I'm not saying lose weight to,just a young player bulk properly just a touch. And I'm thinking DPOY potential without question. I know guys I'm talking player bulk up.LOL but the browns want mingo to add 15lbs muscle or more severely. Just like the dolphins want Jordan to. Collins possibly has more ability than both them guys do. He is more similar to mingo. Nearly 6'4 with explosiveness and LB 4 LB power to terrify especially after adding some bulk.

Think bout it. Collins has 3-4 rush olb passrusher explosiveness with traditional lb top cover skills and run defending. He was covering dangerous TE's as a rookie. He is explosive at blitzing but he does need to bulk up some to maximize it.

 

[Gymrat]

Lb for Lb = pound for pound powerful. I think like Mingo has awesome qwik twitch passrusher ability. But both are a little on thin side with ability to bulk up. Difference- Collins showed great LB coverage and run stop talent that mingo/Jordan has not yet. DPOY talent

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

I am glad you mentioned this because it bears repeating 98 times about once in every single post. WTF?

 

[hieroglyphics]

It's easy to overlook the fact that the Pats have now been drafting consistently at the bottom of every round for 12 years in a row. The only way they can get one of the flashy players in the draft is to get lucky on the trade of a future pick with a bad team or find a guy with some kind of blemish (like injury) that drives him down to us.

Let's see how the Seahawks look in ten years. There are a lot of one-hit wonders in the NFL.

Seattle has been consistently one of the most successful NFC organizations, if not the most successful the last 10 years. Someone can do the math, I would think they have one of the highest winning percentages of any NFC team the last 10 years already.....they've been to the playoffs 7 times since 2004, 2 Superbowl appearances, 1 SB win.

 

[Joker]

Seattle has been consistently one of the most successful NFC organizations, if not the most successful the last 10 years. Someone can do the math, I would think they have one of the highest winning percentages of any NFC team the last 10 years already.....they've been to the playoffs 7 times since 2004, 2 Superbowl appearances, 1 SB win.

2008..4-12
2009...5-11
2010..7-9
2001..7-9

they made the playoffs in 2010 with a 7-9 record and got squashed

but yeah...SUCCESS!!

 

[hieroglyphics]

2008..4-12
2009...5-11
2010..7-9
2001..7-9

they made the playoffs in 2010 with a 7-9 record and got squashed

but yeah...SUCCESS!!

Squashed? They beat New Orleans that year in the playoffs.

2004: 9-7 Playoffs
2005: 13-3 Super Bowl loss
2006: 9-7 Playoffs
2007: 10-6 Playoffs
2008: 4-12
2009: 5-11
2010: 7-9 Playoffs
2011: 7-9
2012: 11-5 Playoffs
2013: 13-3 Super Bowl win

They've had a better decade than most NFC teams, no doubt about it. Maybe you give the Packers the edge over the last 10 years because of some terrific Rodgers seasons, and the Giants do have 2 Superbowls but have missed the playoff also 5 times the last decade. Besides those 2, name another NFC team whose done substantially better since 2004?

 

[Wheelman]

I think the key point here is saying the Seahawks were one of the most successful NFC teams over the past 10 years is not saying much.

They were nowhere near the level of the Patriots which is what I would call a successful team over the past 10 years.

With that being said, talking about what the Seahawks has done over the past 10 years is rubbish. The Seahawks just started a new Era in 2010. Bunching parts of two different era's makes no sense to me.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Squashed? They beat New Orleans that year in the playoffs.

2004: 9-7 Playoffs
2005: 13-3 Super Bowl loss
2006: 9-7 Playoffs
2007: 10-6 Playoffs
2008: 4-12
2009: 5-11
2010: 7-9 Playoffs
2011: 7-9
2012: 11-5 Playoffs
2013: 13-3 Super Bowl win

They've had a better decade than most NFC teams, no doubt about it. Maybe you give the Packers the edge over the last 10 years because of some terrific Rodgers seasons, and the Giants do have 2 Superbowls but have missed the playoff also 5 times the last decade. Besides those 2, name another NFC team whose done substantially better since 2004?

The Seahawks have certainly turned themselves into a force to be dealt with but the idea that they have had a great 10 year run when there are 4 losing seasons in a row in there makes no sense to me. And the rest of the NFC being bad doesn't make the Seahawks better.

 

[AzPatsFan]

I think the key point here is saying the Seahawks were one of the most successful NFC teams over the past 10 years is not saying much.

They were nowhere near the level of the Patriots which is what I would call a successful team over the past 10 years.

With that being said, talking about what the Seahawks has done over the past 10 years is rubbish. The Seahawks just started a new Era in 2010. Bunching parts of two different era's makes no sense to me.

The high lighted part is very true. Belichick critics give him no credit for eliminating the losing seasons from 2009-2012, as would be expected in a conventional rebuilding. from one generation of team to the next. (Ooops! Wash my mouth out with soap.)

Instead he produced double digit winning seasons and even guided them to a SuperBowl with a 31st rated Defense in the midst of re-building..