Logjam at defensive tackle and free agency, and the draft have not even begun…

[Brady6]

No it's not. That there have been a handful of exceptional undrafted players belies the fact that the vast majority of undrafted players are inferior players.

Have you looked at the Patriots roster recently?

 

[Brady6]

And moreso when they need to be athletic and well over 300 pounds at a minimum.



It takes nothing away from Welkers career to note that there are many players that size and quick enough to at least be very good slot receivers. At that position, many are undrafted.

There are more UDFA OL and DL on a roster in the NFL than any other position on a team.

 

[primetime]

Have you looked at the Patriots roster recently?

In order to note what? That they have a singular quarterback who happened to be drafted in the 6th round and is used constantly and mind-numbingly to talk about why this 6th round quarterback (who inevitably doesn't play a single down in anger) is the "next Tom Brady?" Or that they have a few starters (most of whom are very replaceable) who were drafted late or not at all, like any other team in the league? Or - and this one's important - that the vast majority of their best players were drafted in the first three rounds of the draft?

 

[RayClay]

There are more UDFA OL and DL on a roster in the NFL than any other position on a team.

I'm sorry, when did I mention offensive linemen?

 

[Brady6]

In order to note what? That they have a singular quarterback who happened to be drafted in the 6th round and is used constantly and mind-numbingly to talk about why this 6th round quarterback (who inevitably doesn't play a single down in anger) is the "next Tom Brady?" Or that they have a few starters (most of whom are very replaceable) who were drafted late or not at all, like any other team in the league? Or - and this one's important - that the vast majority of their best players were drafted in the first three rounds of the draft?

No that we employee more UDFAs than any other team in the NFL.

Brady
Blount
Edelman
Amendola
Cannon
Wendell
Ninkovich
Kelly
Slater
Arrington
Dennard
Connolly

Were all day 3 picks or UDFA.

 

[primetime]

No that we employee more UDFAs than any other team in the NFL.

Aside from Amendola, Kelly, Blount, Wendell, Connolly, and Arrington, most of them are utterly mediocre at best. And that's being kind to the latter four.

Ninkovich and Cannon were both 5th round picks which seems like shifting the goal post quite a bit and Brady is the exception that proves the rule.

 

[Brady6]

Aside from Amendola, Kelly, Blount, and Arrington, most of them are utterly mediocre at best. And that's being kind to Blount and Arrington.

Yeah so were Wilson, Bequette, Brace, Cunningham, Butler, Chung, and many others. There are good and bad players in every round and UDFA.

 

[RayClay]

Yeah so were Wilson, Bequette, Brace, Cunningham, Butler, Chung, and many others. There are good and bad players in every round and UDFA.

If there are an equal number of good and bad players in each round, why do they pay people to pick? Why not just get a quick pick ticket, like the lottery?

 

[manxman2601]

Should they put Brady in as defensive tackle?

Tommy Kelly is 6'6". Do you think if Siliga tries real hard he can grow to 6'6"?

There's a reason people remember the exceptions more than the rule.

No it's not. That there have been a handful of exceptional undrafted players belies the fact that the vast majority of undrafted players are inferior players.

Your argument that Siliga is not that good a player is that he's a UDFA? That's a strange logic. Isn't it better to judge him by his performance on the field? It's hard to argue against the fact that he played well enough in the final games of the season to warrant a roster spot. And certainly "he's a UDFA" is not a reasonable argument to make based upon the contrary evidence of his performance on the field.

 

[primetime]

Yeah so were Wilson, Bequette, Brace, Cunningham, Butler, Chung, and many others. There are good and bad players in every round and UDFA.

I'm not saying that there aren't plenty of busts in the early rounds, but it's been shown time and again that, on average, you're far more likely to find a superior talent in the first few rounds than later in the draft or afterwards. Then you're just sort of tossing **** at the wall and seeing what sticks, and that's what most of these guys like Siliga are. Maybe they stick, but counting on them to be anything more than a warm body using the justification that John Randle was similarly undrafted is setting your expectations way, way too high.

 

[primetime]

Your argument that Siliga is not that good a player is that he's a UDFA? That's a strange logic. Isn't it better to judge him by his performance on the field? It's hard to argue against the fact that he played well enough in the final games of the season to warrant a roster spot. And certainly "he's a UDFA" is not a reasonable argument to make based upon the contrary evidence of his performance on the field.

I didn't say that he wasn't worth keeping, just that he's certainly not a guy who's untouchable because of otherworldly talent. He's shown he can be a depth player in the NFL but he's not a starter on a good line. There's no "logjam" on the defensive line - all of these guys can be upgraded and should be.

 

[Brady6]

Aside from Amendola, Kelly, Blount, Wendell, Connolly, and Arrington, most of them are utterly mediocre at best. And that's being kind to the latter four.

Ninkovich and Cannon were both 5th round picks which seems like shifting the goal post quite a bit and Brady is the exception that proves the rule.

Day 3 picks. I don't think it is the exception if the rule, Arthur Jones one of the most coveted DTs on the market was a 6th round pick. Greg Hardy was a 6th round pick. Michael Bennett was undrafted.

 

[Brady6]

If there are an equal number of good and bad players in each round, why do they pay people to pick? Why not just get a quick pick ticket, like the lottery?

Who said anything about an equal number? I said good and bad players in every round. I never said anything about an equal number.

 

[Brady6]

I'm sorry, when did I mention offensive linemen?

You mentioned 300 pound players who are athletic. That is OL and DL.

 

[JackBauer]

He's shown he can be a depth player in the NFL but he's not a starter on a good line.

I think that remains to be seen.

 

[RayClay]

Your argument that Siliga is not that good a player is that he's a UDFA? That's a strange logic. Isn't it better to judge him by his performance on the field? It's hard to argue against the fact that he played well enough in the final games of the season to warrant a roster spot. And certainly "he's a UDFA" is not a reasonable argument to make based upon the contrary evidence of his performance on the field.

I didn't say he wasn't a good player and I won't say he is one based on five whole games either. B6 said he was watching him all through college and knew he was great. I was just pointing out the irony that 31 teams passed and three of the very best teams had him in camp, the PS or on the roster for years without realizing what a great player he was.

I'm not that perceptive to be able to make such projections based on 5 games.

It would be great to entrust the future of our defensive line to him and other low cost options, but I wouldn't deem it wise at this point.

 

[primetime]

Day 3 picks. I don't think it is the exception if the rule, Arthur Jones one of the most coveted DTs on the market was a 6th round pick. Greg Hardy was a 6th round pick. Michael Bennett was undrafted.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...l/picking-the-best-in-the-nfl-draft.html?_r=0

Over half of the 20 best players in the last 18 drafts were taken in the 1st round. That's no coincidence.

 

[Brady6]

Should they put Brady in as defensive tackle?

Tommy Kelly is 6'6". Do you think if Siliga tries real hard he can grow to 6'6"?

There's a reason people remember the exceptions more than the rule.

You have a creative imagination. I say it's sunny you say that I said you could see Mars.

Siliga couldn't become 6'6 but neither could Aaron Donald and he is slated as the first DT off the board.

 

[primetime]

I think that remains to be seen.

I don't think the team should take that chance, given how bad both the run defense and interior pressure were when push came to shove last season.

 

[Brady6]

I didn't say he wasn't a good player and I won't say he is one based on five whole games either. B6 said he was watching him all through college and knew he was great. I was just pointing out the irony that 31 teams passed and three of the very best teams had him in camp, the PS or on the roster for years without realizing what a great player he was.

I'm not that perceptive to be able to make such projections based on 5 games.

It would be great to entrust the future of our defensive line to him and other low cost options, but I wouldn't deem it wise at this point.

All through college? I said I went back and watched some of his college tape. You must be great around a camp fire