Rumor or Speculation (IDK): Patriots shopping Amendola

[primetime]

After this thread, I don't think Brady6 has anything against Amendola per se, I just think he's weirdly fixated on the money that players are being paid in more than the context of the salary cap while expecting every Patriot to be an overachiever at a bargain price irrespective of injury or other extenuating circumstance.

 

[Brady6]

Edelman led the Patriots in touchdown receptions last year so this seems like an odd point to try to make.

Anomaly....

 

[Triumph]

Who would be stupid enough to trade for him and why is the question.

 

[primetime]

Anomaly....

Welker has produced a fair number of TDs in his career and may have led the Broncos this year if not for concussions (still ended with double digits), Randall Cobb had 8 TDs working from the slot in Green Bay two seasons ago, Jerricho Cotchery had 10 TDs this season, Austin Collie had 8 and 7 TDs his first two years in the league, Lance Moore has produced 8 or more TDs 3 times in his career, Victor Cruz has 23 TDs through 3 seasons in the NFL, Miles Austin had 11 TDs once and 7 TDs twice...

Not seeing the anomaly.

 

[supafly]

After this thread, I don't think Brady6 has anything against Amendola per se, I just think he's weirdly fixated on the money that players are being paid in more than the context of the salary cap while expecting every Patriot to be an overachiever at a bargain price irrespective of injury or other extenuating circumstance.

My interactions with him regarding the situation has led me to believe that he's somewhat fixated on the AAV that Amendola "could" potentially make at 5.7m per season over the entire course of the deal, rather than the actual cap hit that he had for 2013 at 3.5m.

I don't think that Amendola earned his 3.5 cap hit, but it's also possible that Belichick sees the situation much differently than we, as fans do. That said, it's also quite possible that Belichick agrees that he didn't earn the money, but is willing to wait until year to deal with things year to year--which is what I think is the correct answer here.

If I had to estimate my own personal feelings, I would put Amendola's cap worth at about 2.5 or so from last season, even despite the circumstances. I just don't believe that we'd have much more than 54 receptions (and 37 first downs in those grabs) at an 11.7 ypc rate from any other player much less than 2.5m or so---unless we somehow lucked out with a good, solid draft pick on the cheap (and Dobson could end up being that guy for 2014). In that sense, the Amendola "failure" doesn't appear to be quite the level that some seem to be making it out to be, even though I definitely think it was more failure than success.

 

[Brady6]

After this thread, I don't think Brady6 has anything against Amendola per se, I just think he's weirdly fixated on the money that players are being paid in more than the context of the salary cap while expecting every Patriot to be an overachiever at a bargain price irrespective of injury or other extenuating circumstance.

My interactions with him regarding the situation has led me to believe that he's somewhat fixated on the AAV that Amendola "could" potentially make at 5.7m per season over the entire course of the deal, rather than the actual cap hit that he had for 2013 at 3.5m.

I don't think that Amendola earned his 3.5 cap hit, but it's also possible that Belichick sees the situation much differently than we, as fans do. That said, it's also quite possible that Belichick agrees that he didn't earn the money, but is willing to wait until year to deal with things year to year--which is what I think is the correct answer here.

If I had to estimate my own personal feelings, I would put Amendola's cap worth at about 2.5 or so from last season, even despite the circumstances. I just don't believe that we'd have much more than 54 receptions (and 37 first downs in those grabs) at an 11.7 ypc rate from any other player much less than 2.5m or so---unless we somehow lucked out with a good, solid draft pick on the cheap (and Dobson could end up being that guy for 2014). In that sense, the Amendola "failure" doesn't appear to be quite the level that some seem to be making it out to be, even though I definitely think it was more failure than success.

It is not specific to Amendola at all it is the slot position in general. Well the slot position in how it pertains to Welker, Amendola, and Edelman when on the New England Patriots, other teams use their slot receivers differently. Back in 2007 Welker signed an $18.1 million contract which paid him about $3.6 million APY, that was a good value. The mistake occurred before Edelman and Amendola; it was when we franchised Welker and paid $9.5 million for his services. Then signing Amendola for nearly $6 million APY and the suggestion of paying Edelman something similar blows my mind.

The reason is as much as I appreciate these players, what they do for the success of the offense they have limitations. A running back who runs between the tackles and is not a threat in the passing game, or a big play threat is not worth much on the open market. We see examples of this every year. I see the slot receiver the same way and therefore I evaluate their worth in the same way. If you take a slot receiver and put him in an offense that does not have scheme discipline and does not have a QB capable of making short passes into congested areas accurately his production decreases immediately. To be $5 million or more player in this league I feel you need to be more than a one trick pony and possess the ability to make plays all over the field.

I actually have no issue with Amendola as a player. If he had signed a 5 year $18.1 million contract like Welker did in 2007 I would say nothing at all about him, but if you want to add more than $2 million per year onto that pay and the player contributes less than 50% of what the $3.6 million APY player contributed during his contract I am going disappointed.

 

[Brady6]

Welker has produced a fair number of TDs in his career and may have led the Broncos this year if not for concussions (still ended with double digits), Randall Cobb had 8 TDs working from the slot in Green Bay two seasons ago, Jerricho Cotchery had 10 TDs this season, Austin Collie had 8 and 7 TDs his first two years in the league, Lance Moore has produced 8 or more TDs 3 times in his career, Victor Cruz has 23 TDs through 3 seasons in the NFL, Miles Austin had 11 TDs once and 7 TDs twice...

Not seeing the anomaly.

The other slot receivers you mentioned are very different from ours –

Receptions 11+ yards down field –

Cruz – 31 of 73
Moore – 15 of 30
Cobb – 8 of 31
Crotchery – 15 of 46

Miles Austin is not a slot receiver.

 

[captain stone]

They are the STUPID echo of New England sports radio, which is no better than right-wing hate radio...

Keep your left-wing politics out of a football thread.

 

[primetime]

Austin plays a comparable proportion of his snaps in the slot to Edelman.

The average value of a contract doesn't matter. What matters is whether a player's production justifies his cap hit in a given season.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

These Amendoler threads would have a great deal more credibility if the posters would swear that they're NOT receiving any money, game tickets, etc. from Julian Edelman as I suspect.

 

[50-yard-line]

These Amendoler threads would have a great deal more credibility if the posters would swear that they're NOT receiving any money, game tickets, etc. from Julian Edelman as I suspect.

At least the speculation will be just about over in a week-and-a-half - Amendola is due $2m on March 11.

 

[Miguel]

Just updated my cap scenarios for Danny Amendola Danny Amendola ? Cap Scenarios atriots Salary Cap
to include trade scenarios. Will cost Pats 645K in net cap space to trade DA now

 

[Brady6]

Austin plays a comparable proportion of his snaps in the slot to Edelman.

The average value of a contract doesn't matter. What matters is whether a player's production justifies his cap hit in a given season.

You are comparing players on other teams. That is not comparable, what is comparable is what the Patriots pay their WRs and what they produce. The Patriots do not pay a premium for players like other teams in the NFL and they never have in the Belichick era.

I don't understand why if Brandon Lloyd who had 73 receptions and 910 yards for $4M APY was not worth keeping in Belichick's opinion, why would you expect Amendola who had 54 receptions and 633 yards to be for $5.7M APY?

 

[Dutchmaster617]

Who cares, the guy was a bum, just like Lloyd and the other players we get from the walmart bin.

I wonder who is next to come in, put up a quite 600 yards, and do nothing down the stretch as Brady turns 37.

 

[fnordcircle]

Who cares, the guy was a bum, just like Lloyd and the other players we get from the walmart bin.

Damn straight, if only we could get a top flight guy like Mike Wallace.

 

[50-yard-line]

You are comparing players on other teams. That is not comparable, what is comparable is what the Patriots pay their WRs and what they produce. The Patriots do not pay a premium for players like other teams in the NFL and they never have in the Belichick era.

I don't understand why if Brandon Lloyd who had 73 receptions and 910 yards for $4M APY was not worth keeping in Belichick's opinion, why would you expect Amendola who had 54 receptions and 633 yards to be for $5.7M APY?

Locker room issues with Lloyd. I think that was his undoing.

And they saved a ton in cutting him, iirc.

Even with all of that, there were rumors they reached out to him last year and he wasn't interested. Lloyd, I think, is a unique situation.

 

[RobAllan]

Who would trade for him? He probably hurt his hand clicking the mouse to read about the trade rumor... Or blew out an eardrum hearing about it on Sports Center.

 

[50-yard-line]

Damn straight, if only we could get a top flight guy like Mike Wallace.

Greg Jennings ($45 million base salary - $18m guaranteed)
Played 15 games, 68 catches, 804 yards, 11.8 ypc, 1 100-yard game, 4 tds...

Percy Harvin (6 years, $67 million, $25.5 guaranteed)
Played 1 game, had 1 catch for 17 yards.
Had that big play in the Superbowl, but other than that had 2 catches for 26 yards.
He's also $14.8 million against Seattle's cap this year.

Darius Heywood-Bey (1 year flyer - up to $3m, $1.5 guaranteed)
Played 16 games, had 29 catches for 309 yards, 10.7 ypc, 1 td

Danny Amendola (5 years, 31 million, $10 guaranteed)
Played 12 games, 54 catches, 633 yards, 11.7 ypc, 2 td

So I'm not sure what other options people think the Pats missed. As far as I can see, the only better option in hindsight last year would have been Welker.

 

[Love The Drake]

We could be looking at a fourth rounder which could become a third based on playing time incentives.
The Texans, Colts, Niners Packers
would come first to mind.
If this rumor is True and we are looking to move Admendola there are plenty of teams in the market for a good slot receiver.
I'd have to think this means we have a deal with Edelman and are looking to bring in a Emanuel Sanders or a rookie to compete with the pups we have at receiver.

 

[Dexter]

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