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Apparently your ears must have been burning, as I just recently went back and edited my post

I assumed that it may/may not have been specifically targeted at me, but due to the fact that the poster was responding to me, I figured it was at least worth pondering.

I do agree with you in regards to the board's general misconception of the Welker/Amendola issue, and I admit to being one who incorrectly assumed that DA would likely be replicating roughly 2/3 of Welker's catches--or approx. 80 receptions.

It has been a shame for 2013, although I don't seem to personally be as worried as some others, which may/may not prove to be incorrect. As a whole, I'm not as down on Amendola's season in general, nor the poor AFCCG performance, but some of that is just a total disgust for the position's options this year in general.

I've brought this up in parts over the last few days, but here's something for you to think about. If the Patriots had just drafted chalk, instead of going with Wilson and Collins, and had not been stupid at WR, this could have been the lineup at the start of this season:

Brady/Mallett
Blount/Ridley/Vereen/Bolden
Gronk/Hooman/Stiffs
Solder
Mankins
Connolly
Cannon
Vollmer
Welker/Edelman/Amendola/Dobson/Lloyd (and/or Wheaton/Boyce)

Nink
Kelly
Wilfork
Jones
Mayo
Spikes
Hightower
Zach Brown
Talib
Dennard
Arrington
McCourty
Matt Elam

That team would be in the Super Bowl. It would also be pretty damned loaded headed into the offseason.
 
I've brought this up in parts over the last few days, but here's something for you to think about. If the Patriots had just drafted chalk, instead of going with Wilson and Collins, and had not been stupid at WR, this could have been the lineup at the start of this season:

Brady/Mallett
Blount/Ridley/Vereen/Bolden
Gronk/Hooman/Stiffs
Solder
Mankins
Connolly
Cannon
Vollmer
Welker/Edelman/Amendola/Dobson/Lloyd (and/or Wheaton/Boyce)

Nink
Kelly
Wilfork
Jones
Mayo
Spikes
Hightower
Zach Brown
Talib
Dennard
Arrington
McCourty
Matt Elam

That team would be in the Super Bowl. It would also be pretty damned loaded headed into the offseason.

I agree that letting Wes go was a big mistake (especially due to the fact that he signed on the Pats biggest competitor), but, in your opinion, would that hypothetical group you just listed be in the SB after taking into account the injuries on the D+the absence of Gronk? Not trying to refute your claim, just curious as to what your input is on how this group would have weathered the injuries in comparison to the one we have now?
 
I agree that letting Wes go was a big mistake (especially due to the fact that he signed on the Pats biggest competitor), but, in your opinion, would that hypothetical group you just listed be in the SB after taking into account the injuries on the D+the absence of Gronk? Not trying to refute your claim, just curious as to what your input is on how this group would have weathered the injuries in comparison to the one we have now?

Brown > Collins
Elam was improving over the course of the year, and was probably better than Gregory come playoff time.

Welker being on the team gives the team at least one more win in the regular season, especially when we add improved LB play into the mix.

Welker not being in Denver gives the Broncos at least one more loss in the offseason.

Patriots at home, with the cold and wind, beat the Broncos.*









*Granted, players being on different teams would mean we can't get exact equivalents. Maybe Welker blows out his knee in T.C. if he stays in NE. Maybe Amendola doesn't hurt himself, either. All we can do is go with what we have, though.
 
Deus, this team wouldve been in the superbowl if we just had Gronkowski/Talib healthy for the AFC championship game imo and thats after losing mayo/wilfork. lets not forget with Gronk, that team this year was the 2nd highest scoring offense in the league, at times first....would welker have helped? sure...but we still lost the AFC championship game last year WHEN WE HAD HIM

so clearly Gronkowski is the most important player when it comes to post-season success IMO...and Talib

Collins has been impressive as a rookie so far. so not sure where you are going there.

personally i'm tired of everyone bringing up the whole welker issue....its over and done with. guy over-valued himself in the market going out looking for a 10million$ contract. pats panicked and signed amendola. and when welker realised he couldnt get it he ran to denver.


amendola clearly was not himself this season but he wasnt a total dissapointment. aka Ochocinco....he still had 60+ catches and 600+ yards

hopefully with some luck(this was edelmans first healthy season) and a good offseason with brady he can come out next year and be the player we thought he could be.
 
Any body that thinks Welker could have done a better job then Edelman this year is clearly on drugs....
 
WW best contribution to the Broncos this year was knocking Talib out of the AFC championship. He's Peyton 4th option behind DT, Julius, and Decker. And there's a good chance Denver doesn't pick up the second year of his contract.

Besides the games they've played us as anyone really watched Denver this year, and came away being impressed with WW????

Welker best days are DONE!!! We finished 12-4 and got knocked out of the AFC championship with him last year. And that was with an offense that had more weapons and better health then this years team.

Too many useless stats get thrown around a lot here sometimes.
 
I think anytime you need to resort to listing the punter as having a good game, particularly in a game you've lost, you're kind of reaching a bit...

On top of that, Devin McCourty didn't have anything of an "excellent game" by far. Actually, there wasn't any secondary player who could be viewed as having anything close to an "excellent game;" considering that we gave up over 400+ passing yards.

The question was who outside of Collins had good games, Allen had a very good game I am not going to leave him off just because he is a punter. It is not reaching, I did not come out and say Allen had a great game Amendola should have, I responded to the question and listed players who played well and Allen fit that criteria.

I thought McCourty played great game, the secondary as whole was not that good but McCourty made several key plays to limit the damage.

Give me a break.

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so clearly Gronkowski is the most important player when it comes to post-season success IMO...and Talib

Collins has been impressive as a rookie so far. so not sure where you are going there.

Gronk is easily the team's most important. Aside from Brady, he was the guy they could least afford to lose... unfortunately, his style of play lends itself to injuries. Call me a Gronkowski pessimist, but this is three years in a row they've had a banged up Gronkowski or none at all in the most important games of the year.

Collins had one good game and has a lot of potential, but let's not crown him yet.
 
Any body that thinks Welker could have done a better job then Edelman this year is clearly on drugs....

Welker was ahead of Edelman's pace for catches, and way ahead on TDs, before he got concussed, and he was his team's #2 target behind D. Thomas at the time. Nobody would need to be on drugs to think he could have kept that pace up if he hadn't gotten rung up twice.
 
Welker was ahead of Edelman's pace for catches, and way ahead on TDs, before he got concussed, and he was his team's #2 target behind D. Thomas at the time. Nobody would need to be on drugs to think he could have kept that pace up if he hadn't gotten rung up twice.

You prorate Welkers stats to 16 games he has 90 receptions 900 something yards and 12 TDs. Edelman had more receptions and yards.
 
You prorate Welkers stats to 16 games he has 90 receptions 900 something yards and 12 TDs. Edelman had more receptions and yards.

Welker's stats fell off because he got concussed. He had 61 catches through 10 games, before he got lit up.

Edelman had 52 catches at the time.
 
Welker was ahead of Edelman's pace for catches, and way ahead on TDs, before he got concussed, and he was his team's #2 target behind D. Thomas at the time. Nobody would need to be on drugs to think he could have kept that pace up if he hadn't gotten rung up twice.

Another useless stat deus.

Welker was on pace for whatever on a team that was breaking every single passing record, with 3 legitimate other targets defenses had to be concerned with. Now tell me, if your a Defensive coordinator gameplaninng for the Broncos, what players are you gonna give special attention to? In order for me DT, JT, Decker then Welker. Now compare that to Edelman, who for majority of the season was our only real threat at receiver....

I'm sorry but stats don't tell the whole story.
 
Another useless stat deus.

Welker was on pace for whatever on a team that was breaking every single passing record, with 3 legitimate other targets defenses had to be concerned with. Now tell me, if your a Defensive coordinator gameplaninng for the Broncos, what players are you gonna give special attention to? In order for me DT, JT, Decker then Welker. Now compare that to Edelman, who for majority of the season was our only real threat at receiver....

I'm sorry but stats don't tell the whole story.

The stat is fine. It's your argument that was useless, and wrong. And, for the record, teams, including the Patriots, were either doubling or bracketing Welker for most of the season. Edelman had a good season. There's no need to denigrate Welker, or to mischaracterize Welker's year, in order to point that out.
 
to be honest though, welker has not looked like the same player after his concussion than before. and even didnt look the same as he did last year.

one would think he would look better with all those receiving targets. but watch the last 2 games welker played in. and the games after his first concussion and tell me that is the same player.
 
The stat is fine. It's your argument that was useless, and wrong. And, for the record, teams, including the Patriots, were either doubling or bracketing Welker for most of the season. Edelman had a good season. There's no need to denigrate Welker, or to mischaracterize Welker's year, in order to point that out.

"Hell knows no fury like a butthurt Welker fan boy"
 
I've brought this up in parts over the last few days, but here's something for you to think about. If the Patriots had just drafted chalk, instead of going with Wilson and Collins, and had not been stupid at WR, this could have been the lineup at the start of this season:

Brady/Mallett
Blount/Ridley/Vereen/Bolden
?/Hooman/Stiffs
Solder
Mankins
Connolly
Cannon
?
Welker/Edelman/Amendola/Dobson/? (and/or Wheaton/?)

Nink
?
?
Jones
?
?
Hightower
Zach Brown
?
Dennard
Arrington
McCourty
Matt Elam

That team would be in the Super Bowl. It would also be pretty damned loaded headed into the offseason.

There, fixed it for you. And no, that doesn't look like a Superbowl team to me - at all. You can't point to the team at the start of the season and say they'd be in the Super Bowl, when many of the reasons they might be are sitting at home or in the locker room watching the game on TV.
 
Edelman had 10 catches for 89 yards and 1 touchdown, Vereen had 93 total yards (rushing/receiving and Collie had by far his best game of the season with 4 catches for 57 yards. In addition Ryan Allen had an excellent game as did Devin McCourty and Donte Hightower.

People have this perception that we got destroyed in Denver but we didn’t, the defense held a team that averaged 37.9 PPG during 2013 to 26 points that’s nearly 12 points less than their average. Tom Brady completed 63% of his passes for 277 receiving yards and a 93.9 QB rating. It is not as if the other players around Amendola were sucking up the building and Brady couldn’t throw a hotdog down a hallway, I highlighted the players above that had good games but others helped out – Dobson made 2 big catches despite playing a broken foot, Hooman had 2 big catches. The passing game was effective, Amendola was not and the only person to blame for that is Amendola.

You and I clearly watched different games. The game I watched saw a New England offense that looked pathetic until the 4th Quarter. 3-and-out on the first two possessions, including a 3rd-and-3 hail Mary to Slater when underneath receivers were open for the first down.

The game I watched, Brady didn't have enough time to go through his progressions, which is why he kept throwing to Edelman, who was his 1st option on many plays. The game I watched, running backs couldn't get to the line of scrimmage unimpeded.

The game I watched (look it up) Denver had 21 FIRST DOWNS at the same point where New England had run 24 PLAYS...in the Denver air.

The Patriots were dominated - and couldn't get a call on top of it. The Hooman call, the Welker non-call, and the ridiculous Ryan holding call were critical in allowing Denver to get up two scores on a team that was clearly flat, and clearly couldn't adjust their offensive game plan against the aggressive Denver D. They were out-coached, out-muscled, out-talented, and out-performed.

They came up flat. It happens. I'm sick of it happening in the big games.

I won't get into the whole Welker/Amendola thing, other than to say that part of the reason so many receivers don't seem to work out in New England falls on Brady's shoulders. His considerable strengths at QB do not include lifting up his receivers. In Brady's defense, since 2007, he always seems to be under more pressure, particularly in these big games, than the guy on the other side of the ball: Giants/Jets/Ravens/Giants/Ravens/Broncos...

Welker was a fool to walk was much as the Pats were foolish to let him walk - which tells me that Welker didn't want to be here any more than BB wanted him here (which makes this constant back-and-forth silly). The business deal got personal and that's never a good thing, and in the end, Kraft was right: the deal the Pats offered him was BETTER than the one he took in Denver. He's 8 million against their cap next year, and only 2 million in dead money if cut (and they've got some big free agents).

I watched a lot of the Denver games this year and Welker was good but nothing spectacular. He wasn't being doubled at all, and was rarely bracketed, and got a ton of easy catches on the famed Denver rub crossing pattern. Still a very good player, but if I'm playing Denver, he's the 4th receiver I worry about.

He's also not a long-term answer for anybody. If he retires after the SB, I won't be surprised. He's playing on borrowed time, like a lot of other undersized slot receivers who stalk the sidelines saying, "I'm Batman."
 
People have this perception that we got destroyed in Denver but we didn’t, the defense held a team that averaged 37.9 PPG during 2013 to 26 points that’s nearly 12 points less than their average.

We must have been watching different games, then. You are giving the defense too much credit. Julius Thomas dropped a TD pass. The Broncos ended the game in the Patriots red zone and chose to kneel down.
 
Here's how to get rid of Amendola -
In February/March make him a June 2 designation.
That means the Pats would carry his $3 million salary and his $375,000 roster bonus on their books until June 2nd. On June 2nd he would be released. His 2014 cap number would then drop from $4.575m to $3.2million ($1.2 million signing bonus proration plus $2 million fully guaranteed salary - net cap savings in 2014 of around $800K.

His 2015 cap number would go from $5,575,000 to $3,600,000.
 
Here's how to get rid of Amendola -
In February/March make him a June 2 designation.
That means the Pats would carry his $3 million salary and his $375,000 roster bonus on their books until June 2nd. On June 2nd he would be released. His 2014 cap number would then drop from $4.575m to $3.2million ($1.2 million signing bonus proration plus $2 million fully guaranteed salary - net cap savings in 2014 of around $800K.

His 2015 cap number would go from $5,575,000 to $3,600,000.

So he can be released without hitting the cap at the $6.5 million most have suggested?
 
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