SHOCKER! Dante Scarnecchia retires after 30 years with the Patriots!

[MassPats38]

Complaints about the line probably have more to do with the level of talent, not the coaching. Scar has done more with less, typically producing a very good line without top flight draft picks.

This news blows. And an interesting choice in his replacement. He sounds like a Jr. Rex Ryan.

 

[Big-T]

This news blows. And an interesting choice in his replacement. He sounds like a Jr. Rex Ryan.

Fuming OL coach opens can of worms - New York Jets Blog - ESPN New York some more gems from the guy.

Scar is going to be missed, he's not a guy that can be replaced overnight.

 

[Fencer]

Denver does. The Giants do (x2). The Ravens do.

You're still only citing a minority of the Patriots' postseason games in the years you're referring to.

 

[TomPatriot]

I'm crestfallen, to resurrect an archaic word.

One of my favorite coaches. Great teacher and O line theorist. He will be missed.

Good luck to him. I hope starts an O line coaches clinic or camp. I'll be one of the first to sign up for it.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

No question that this sucks, but this tweet from WEEI at least makes me feel a little better about it:

Belichick says the post-Scarnecchia transition was already underway this year, and that Scarnecchia stayed on longer than originally planned

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Scar is going to be missed, he's not a guy that can be replaced overnight.

It's tough replacing a legend . . . imagine what the people who eventually replace Belichick and Brady are going to go through.

 

[Hammer of Thor]

Congrats to Scar on his retirement and great career. He will be missed. The days of grabbing late round talent /UDFAs and turning them into starters may be over.

I'm actually a little curious about the course of events here. Daboll came on board for last year's playoffs in a general role. He then spent all camp and all season working with the OL, leading many to speculate that Scar may be retiring, and they were grooming Daboll for the job. 6 days ago, DeGuglielmo took the job at the University of Maryland. He just resigned in the last two days to take this job.

So the Pats knew that Scar was retiring, have Daboll working alongside the OL, and yet hire someone who clearly didn't know he was going to be offered the Pats job since he literally just started working somewhere else. Something smells amiss to me here. A few possibilities:

- Scar never actually told anyone he was planning on retiring after the 2013 season. Daboll working with the line was just BB building a contingency plan knowing Scar would likely retire sometime soon but not knowing exactly when. BB was afraid of being in a position of not getting perrmanent OL coach that he wanted so would have Daboll as a fallback in that case.

- There is another domino falling - that Daboll in fact was supposed to be Scar's successor, but he himself might be leaving to pursue a better opportunity. Like the Houston job, for example - BOB has said he would call the plays but that doesn't mean that he wouldn't have an OC to bounce ideas off of, either. And there have been rumors of BOB looking at the Pats coaching staff.

Just some thoughts.

 

[Hammer of Thor]

No question that this sucks, but this tweet from WEEI at least makes me feel a little better about it:

Ok, didn't see this before my last post. Neither of my thoughts seem likely then. Instead, it really seems like poor planning on the Pats part if they knew this was going to happen but the new OL coach just took a job somewhere else. That is not my impression on how the Pats usually operate.

 

[DocHoliday]

You're still only citing a minority of the Patriots' postseason games in the years you're referring to.

2013: Indy, Denver
2012: Houston, Ravens
2011: Denver, Baltimore, Giants
2010: Jets (5 sacks)
2009: Baltimore - I won't count this, but the pressures caused 2 INTs.
2007: Jacksonville, Chargers, Giants

The Pats O-Line has played awful in 5/12 postseason games since 2007, or nearly half of all the playoff games since then.

 

[Tunescribe]

Well, that will stop all the "do we depend on Scar too much" talk.

Yeah, maybe that thread pushed him over the edge. Good job, idiots. :enranged:

 

[Whitt25]

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[Kontradiction]

Dante leaving just makes me sad. It makes me think about how quickly Brady, then possibly Belichick will be gone. Enjoy retirement, Dante. Thanks for everything you did for our team!

 

[signbabybrady]

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME HERE SCAR YOU ARE THE MAN.

:youtheman:


Part of every Patriot team to reach the SB and a large part of the last decade + of Success. I am sure guys like Light, Andruzzi, Mankins, Volmer, Compton, Neal, on, and on, and on how a large part of their success to him.

 

[signbabybrady]

Dante leaving just makes me sad. It makes me think about how quickly Brady, then possibly Belichick will be gone. Enjoy retirement, Dante. Thanks for everything you did for our team!

Same exact reaction here.

 

[PP2]

I hope he will stay on as a consultant or on an as-needed basis.

Otherwise, he's had a great run as one of the best OL coaches in the league. I wish him the nothing but the best.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Ok, didn't see this before my last post. Neither of my thoughts seem likely then. Instead, it really seems like poor planning on the Pats part if they knew this was going to happen but the new OL coach just took a job somewhere else. That is not my impression on how the Pats usually operate.

I'm not exactly sure what happened with DeGuglielmo, but it seems like Daboll was the backup plan, and then they convinced DeGuglielmo to join them.

 

[TheBeers]

Sad day indeed

They can go ahead and put him in the Pats HOF tomorrow.

 

[Jackson 2]

JC, if this guy can't survive from being criticized on this forum, no one can. I've watched him consistently construct chicken salad out of chicken sh## for decades. What a magician. I guarantee that if he changed his mind next week and his position here was filled, he'd have an O-line NFL job in about 4.8 seconds. He got the absolute most out of the talent he was given, in my opinion. He'll be missed.

 

[Sciz]

- There is another domino falling - that Daboll in fact was supposed to be Scar's successor, but he himself might be leaving to pursue a better opportunity. Like the Houston job, for example - BOB has said he would call the plays but that doesn't mean that he wouldn't have an OC to bounce ideas off of, either. And there have been rumors of BOB looking at the Pats coaching staff.

My first guess at this is that Daboll is a candidate to fill the TE coach position if Godsey leaves as it has been reported is somewhere in the range from possible to likely to unofficially complete. It appeared Godsey was going to leave his offensive assistant role to follow O'Brien to Penn State in 2012, but his promotion to TE coach changed that. Now that O'Brien has gone to Houston, the Pats can't really give him a clear promotion over what he'd get in Houston, especially if he's an OC candidate as at least one report has said. They do have the ability to block him from going to Houston, but that's not the kind of thing you do with a TE coach if he's about to become an OC.

At a very fundamental level, tight ends have to sometimes act as wide receivers and sometimes act as offensive linemen, and Daboll was the Pats' WR coach from 2002 to 2006 and worked closely with the OL last season. It may have been a case where the plan was for Daboll to replace Scarnecchia, but if the team found out that Godsey is leaving, then that Belichick decided that DeGuglielmo with the OL and Daboll with the TEs was better than Daboll with the OL and somebody else with the TEs.

Daboll is also on paper the most qualified candidate for the OC job if it opens up next offseason. Another connection is that DeGuglielmo worked under Daboll in Miami in 2011. For a team that hires from outside so rarely, it'd be odd to see a guy hired if the other coach on the team with any connection were leaving.

 

[DaBruinz]

Denver does. The Giants do (x2). The Ravens do.

Yep. Because the O-line got the flu for the first SB against the Giants. And in the 2nd one, it was clearly the O-line's fault for the receivers having the case of the dropsies (Welker x2, Branch, Hernandez) in critical situations..

OH, btw, it was Koppen who choked the bone against the Ravens and allowed the first strip sack by Ray Lewis.. But, yeah, blame the ENTIRE o-line. Just like we should blame the entire O-line for Wendell not picking up the twists and stunts by Knighton.