It's time for Amendola to step up

[moosekill]

I have had plenty of athletic experience I played football throughout K-12 and 3 years while in the air force, I know that 18 weeks is ample time to recover from the injury Amendola sustained, and if he is still suffering from the injury in a way that is making him incapable of playing at a high level he may not ever recover. He sat 4 weeks due to injury and had 2 weeks as a result of bye weeks during the 18 weeks this Saturday.

Also he does not need surgery, the injury sustained was a complete tear which is actually what they do when surgically repair it to alleviate chronic groin pain.

Oh Brady6 once again pure comedy gold. So, and I just want to get this straight, you played elementary school football, high school football AND 3 years of pick up football in the USAF, and you think that somehow qualifies you to dispense medical advise on this site? Or were those three years at the Air Force Academy? Did you completely tear your abductor muscle thingy, when you were in third grade? It is great to know that playing sports k-12 allows you to skip medical school and become a doctor!

 

[Brewskies]

Oh Brady6 once again pure comedy gold. So, and I just want to get this straight, you played elementary school football, high school football AND 3 years of pick up football in the USAF, and you think that somehow qualifies you to dispense medical advise on this site? Or were those three years at the Air Force Academy? Did you completely tear your abductor muscle thingy, when you were in third grade? It is great to know that playing sports k-12 allows you to skip medical school and become a doctor!

Is there a doctor in the house? NO

 

[Brady6]

I don't want to beat a dead horse or get into any pissing matches with you, since we apparently have a bit of a difference of opinions on this topic, so I see no reason to go round and round with you or anyone for that matter. I have respect for you, and I will even admit to agreeing with you that he's underperformed at certain aspects since we all expected more production from him from the slot, and much less from Edelman in the same manner. I do think that due to the WR shuffling and other aspects, one being mainly a lack of talent at the position, we didn't see these 2 players play the roles that were really expected from them quite as much as in some normal circumstances.

One thing that I've been happy with is the fact that he seems like a very hard worker, which is not something that we are always guaranteed when bringing in a free agent outsider. He has a very positive attitude, seems to really have a knack for giving his all on every play, and is yet another guy who has the potential to work hard in our system and flourish in the future.

To be honest, I try to be as unbiased as I possibly can, but I just am not absolutely convinced that we're seeing a large enough sample size for either one of these two players. The good thing is that I'm personally not as concerned about his "flaws" and underproduction, because I think we saw that he'll play tough through injury and continue to try and progress. It's due to this reasoning why I have more confidence in him as a future player here, as opposed to someone else that we just as easily could have brought in. That, to me is a positive that should probably point to a higher chance of success in 2014 than for some other players who we've brought in via FA in the past.

SF I would never be bothered or take it as a pissing contest, I have the upmost respect for you and genuinely enjoy reading your posts.

As far as Amendola goes I think the confusion is the perception that I am disappointed in his performance this season; I am not disappointed in it, I think that Amendola has given us exactly what you would expect if you looked at his career. What I am arguing against is this belief that his going to give the team more than he has and the groin injury suffered in week 1 is what prevented that.

I agree Amendola is a hard worker, he is a solid receiver who can have the occasional great game, and I will trust your assessment on his blocking and say he is damn good in that phase of the games as well. I think the part of my disappointment with Amendola is more due to him correlating with Welker’s exit and not caused by Danny himself. If we had signed Amendola just to sign him as a player who was going to come in and give the team a hardworking Z/Y receiver who would give the team 70-75 receptions and 700-800 receiving yards if he played a 16 games regular season I would be very pleased with Danny, essentially the disappointment isn’t his fault it’s the fans and media members who set this ridiculous expectation that Amendola would be a 120 reception and 1200 receiving yards receiver, and my frustration in this thread is those same posters who set those ridiculous expectations for Danny in 2013 are now posting the same nonsense for the 2014 season and again setting Amendola up for disappointment. They say to do the same thing and expect a different outcome is the definition of insanity so that belief is insane.

 

[SalemPats]

DA's sample size is too small to declare him anything (yet) and I don't really think that's an opinion. There's too many examples of players who eventually become important parts to a team that start out with: a few stellar games, a few un-stellar games, missing/underperforming a few games due to injury. Since that kind of start, as history shows, may or may not be telling, DA currently (and fairly) gets the grade of 'incomplete'.
But I agree with the OP that now is the prime opportunity for DA to make his mark (assuming injury allows him to). DA still has the most important game(s) of his entire career to play. What he contributes now will define him more than anything he has done this season. Plus, with no doubt whatsoever, the Patriots need him/receivers to REALLY step it up (Hoo stepping up would be a friggin dream!).

Saying all that, this was the risk with signing DA. Every year he has had significant injuries. At times he's looked great and at other times we don't notice him out there. I think the best thing that happened to him was the emergence of Julian Edelman and the fact that we are winning. If we were losing the fans and media would be all over him

 

[Brady6]

Oh Brady6 once again pure comedy gold. So, and I just want to get this straight, you played elementary school football, high school football AND 3 years of pick up football in the USAF, and you think that somehow qualifies you to dispense medical advise on this site? Or were those three years at the Air Force Academy? Did you completely tear your abductor muscle thingy, when you were in third grade? It is great to know that playing sports k-12 allows you to skip medical school and become a doctor!

Is there a doctor in the house? NO

Moose I don’t want you to take this offensively because I am trying to offer you some constructive feedback and not just saying it to be an *******. I think you weakness as a poster is that you don’t consider the difference between context and content. I was not suggesting that my football experience made me an expert; the poster whom I quoted asked me if I had any athletic experience so I answered their question.

To answer your question I played LB for the Air Force Falcons from 98-01.

Amendola should be nearly healed from the groin injury Moose its been 18 weeks since he suffered the injury, Gronkowski had back surgery and was back on the field in less time than 18 weeks this past offseason, Vereen broke a bone and it has not hindered his play 18 weeks later.

 

[letekro]

SF I would never be bothered or take it as a pissing contest, I have the upmost respect for you and genuinely enjoy reading your posts.

As far as Amendola goes I think the confusion is the perception that I am disappointed in his performance this season; I am not disappointed in it, I think that Amendola has given us exactly what you would expect if you looked at his career. What I am arguing against is this belief that his going to give the team more than he has and the groin injury suffered in week 1 is what prevented that.

I agree Amendola is a hard worker, he is a solid receiver who can have the occasional great game, and I will trust your assessment on his blocking and say he is damn good in that phase of the games as well. I think the part of my disappointment with Amendola is more due to him correlating with Welker’s exit and not caused by Danny himself. If we had signed Amendola just to sign him as a player who was going to come in and give the team a hardworking Z/Y receiver who would give the team 70-75 receptions and 700-800 receiving yards if he played a 16 games regular season I would be very pleased with Danny, essentially the disappointment isn’t his fault it’s the fans and media members who set this ridiculous expectation that Amendola would be a 120 reception and 1200 receiving yards receiver, and my frustration in this thread is those same posters who set those ridiculous expectations for Danny in 2013 are now posting the same nonsense for the 2014 season and again setting Amendola up for disappointment. They say to do the same thing and expect a different outcome is the definition of insanity so that belief is insane.

A healthy amendola would catch 120 balls in this offense. Look at what Wes did, look what Jules did this year. Amendola is a better player than both. His production catching passes from Bradford and his backups is not relevant to the production we should expect from him in NE.

 

[pats4life12]

Yes it's time for him to step up, I've been waiting all season and I just have not seen it yet. But there is not better time then the playoffs to set it up.

 

[SalemPats]

A healthy amendola would catch 120 balls in this offense. Look at what Wes did, look what Jules did this year. Amendola is a better player than both. His production catching passes from Bradford and his backups is not relevant to the production we should expect from him in NE.

That's a ridiculous comment. I like Amendola, but if he were better than mini-tron than he would have his numbers, but he's far behind. You do realize that Welker has more receptions over a 5 year period than anyone if football. We all know Brady is the GOAT, but this year has been proven that you can't just plug and play and expect greatness from those around.

 

[moosekill]

Moose I don’t want you to take this offensively because I am trying to offer you some constructive feedback and not just saying it to be an *******. I think you weakness as a poster is that you don’t consider the difference between context and content. I was not suggesting that my football experience made me an expert; the poster whom I quoted asked me if I had any athletic experience so I answered their question.

To answer your question I played LB for the Air Force Falcons from 98-01.

Amendola should be nearly healed from the groin injury Moose its been 18 weeks since he suffered the injury, Gronkowski had back surgery and was back on the field in less time than 18 weeks this past offseason, Vereen broke a bone and it has not hindered his play 18 weeks later.

I don't take you comments to make you out to be an arse at all. But I also played sports through college and afterwards, and I have no idea on the healing time that specific injuries have. I am also not sure how accurate the diagnosis that were put on Yahoo sports are, and neither do you.

One of your major weaknesses, as a poster, is you make statements and declare them as fact, when you actually have no idea in the world if they are true or not. You have no clue in the world if DA is still injured or not, yet you declare it as gospel that he is healed, and he sucks. For all you know, he may need surgery the day after the season. No one is sharing that information with us. Adding the extra information about your past did nothing to change that, and opens you up to criticism from those of us who understand that.

 

[Brady6]

A healthy amendola would catch 120 balls in this offense. Look at what Wes did, look what Jules did this year. Amendola is a better player than both. His production catching passes from Bradford and his backups is not relevant to the production we should expect from him in NE.

He isn't a better player than Welker and suggesting that implies you have some type of blind loyalty to Amendola. He also is not better than Edelman because if he was he would be the primary target instead of Edelman.

That belief that receivers do better with better QBs is a misconception great players play great, Brandon Lloyd had nearly identical stats with the Rams in 2011 as he did with the Patriots last season, people suggested he was going to be so much better with Brady.

 

[Brady6]

I don't take you comments to make you out to be an arse at all. But I also played sports through college and afterwards, and I have no idea on the healing time that specific injuries have. I am also not sure how accurate the diagnosis that were put on Yahoo sports are, and neither do you.



One of your major weaknesses, as a poster, is you make statements and declare them as fact, when you actually have no idea in the world if they are true or not. You have no clue in the world if DA is still injured or not, yet you declare it as gospel that he is healed, and he sucks. For all you know, he may need surgery the day after the season. No one is sharing that information with us. Adding the extra information about your past did nothing to change that, and opens you up to criticism from those of us who understand that.

I never said he sucks that's is where the confusion lies, being a 70-75 reception and 700-800 receiving yard receiver over a full season is not sucking it's very good. He is not a 120 reception and 1200 receiving yard receiver as people claim however. That does not mean he sucks, but it does mean that in comparison to those claims of being better or as good as Welker are untrue/wrong.

 

[dales804]

Just waiting to see the headline about Amendola having surgery once the season is over.

 

[SalemPats]

He isn't a better player than Welker and suggesting that implies you have some type of blind loyalty to Amendola. He also is not better than Edelman because if he was he would be the primary target instead of Edelman.

That belief that receivers do better with better QBs is a misconception great players play great, Brandon Lloyd had nearly identical stats with the Rams in 2011 as he did with the Patriots last season, people suggested he was going to be so much better with Brady.

I was one who expected big numbers coming to the Patriots. I liked him a lot in St Louis. But, watching him there and here, I don't think he's a pure slot guy, i actually think he's a hybrid between outside and inside (kind of like Lloyd). Brady gave Amendola every chance to be the star, but we know Brady once he loses faith in you, you'll never be the guy. Thankfully Edelman stepped up.

 

[SalemPats]

Just waiting to see the headline about Amendola having surgery once the season is over.

This would worry me, he's had a lot of injuries. I was fortunate enough to play at a high-level (Hockey not football), but my decline (other than lack of skill, was that every injury took longer to heal and the groin was the worst. I still feel like that has never healed)

 

[moosekill]

He is not a 120 reception and 1200 receiving yard receiver as people claim however. That does not mean he sucks, but it does mean that in comparison to those claims of being better or as good as Welker are untrue/wrong.

There you go again, you do it so much you don't even realize it. There is no question he was injured and it has slowed him down. So you really don't know if he is a 120 reception wide receiver or not. See how that works? But in your post you state "he is not a 120 reception and 1200 receiving yard receiver" A correct statement might me, this year he wasn't one, or he has never been one, so I don't think he ever will be one is fine. Do you get it?

 

[letekro]

He isn't a better player than Welker and suggesting that implies you have some type of blind loyalty to Amendola. He also is not better than Edelman because if he was he would be the primary target instead of Edelman.

That belief that receivers do better with better QBs is a misconception great players play great, Brandon Lloyd had nearly identical stats with the Rams in 2011 as he did with the Patriots last season, people suggested he was going to be so much better with Brady.

So very much wrong here, but this is a waste of time. Come back next year for your crow.

 

[ThatllMoveTheChains!!!]

Just waiting to see the headline about Amendola having surgery once the season is over.

Obviously just to deflect from his lousy season...

Edelman took over the Welker role for this season. The reasoning for that is unknown, but if I had to guess it was that the team felt he earned it with his play. Amendola's injury opened the door for that, and I completely agree with those that think it's still hampering him; but I think most of his production woes are caused by his spot on the depth chart.

The ammusing thing here is people are using a guy who's production suffered greatly because of his place on depth chart and injuries to backup claims that Amendola is likely just what we saw this season. If anything the fact that he was still able to put up solid numbers while dealing with injuries and getting slid out of his primary role points towards him having a ton of potential in this offense. As people were saying when he rolled in while his best role is slot he's more capable doing other things that Welker, and given his year I'd say Edelman as well. If Edelman walks, which I think is unlikely, the Pats will be just fine at slot with Amendola; and if Edelman stays I wouldn't be overly surprised to see the numbers flip next season.

 

[Kontradiction]

It's time for anybody besides Edelman and Vereen to step up, really. Amendola has been playing on a torn groin and we won't see him healthy until next year (and for hopefully more than a week or two then). It will have to either be him, Thompkins, or Collie since reports came out that Dobson is in a walking boot and doesn't look ready to go. That's a shame. We really could use someone with his size, strength, and athleticism in the playoffs even if he is just a rookie who hasn't steadied himself in the offense quite yet.

 

[PatsFan2]

It's time for anybody besides Edelman and Vereen to step up, really. Amendola has been playing on a torn groin and we won't see him healthy until next year (and for hopefully more than a week or two then). It will have to either be him, Thompkins, or Collie since reports came out that Dobson is in a walking boot and doesn't look ready to go. That's a shame. We really could use someone with his size, strength, and athleticism in the playoffs even if he is just a rookie who hasn't steadied himself in the offense quite yet.

I hope Dobson is not turning into one of those players one who is often injured. He has had quite a bit of time off this looks troubling. Lets go Kenbrell Thompkins and Austin Collie.

 

[dales804]

Obviously just to deflect from his lousy season...

Edelman took over the Welker role for this season. The reasoning for that is unknown, but if I had to guess it was that the team felt he earned it with his play. Amendola's injury opened the door for that, and I completely agree with those that think it's still hampering him; but I think most of his production woes are caused by his spot on the depth chart.

The ammusing thing here is people are using a guy who's production suffered greatly because of his place on depth chart and injuries to backup claims that Amendola is likely just what we saw this season. If anything the fact that he was still able to put up solid numbers while dealing with injuries and getting slid out of his primary role points towards him having a ton of potential in this offense. As people were saying when he rolled in while his best role is slot he's more capable doing other things that Welker, and given his year I'd say Edelman as well. If Edelman walks, which I think is unlikely, the Pats will be just fine at slot with Amendola; and if Edelman stays I wouldn't be overly surprised to see the numbers flip next season.

I agree with your post but I don't understand the first sentence. Just saying I don't think he's fully healthy and that has hampered his play. I think the Patriots moved him down the depth chart because they know his limitations and what Edelman offers.