Rumor - McDaniels to be the Browns HC

[patsderoer]

I think it's more likely he wants to take mallet with him while whichever QB they draft develops.

Not for a first round pick though.

CLE has Hoyer who was 3-0 before getting injured.

 

[Kontradiction]

That would suck if he left, but understandable from his end. I hope Peter King is right and he's content to stick around with Belichick & Brady. The Pats hopefully compensate him enough that its a tough decision for him.

I don't know how anybody could complain with McD this year. Your stud TE is hurt most of the year, your other TE ended a human life and is in prison, your slot WR defected, your prize FA signing to replace him is banged up, you have a bunch of rookie WRs who keep getting injured. Oh, and your offensive line is also horribly banged up and often ineffective. When you go two tight ends, you get to choose from Hooman, Matthew Mulligan and DJ Williams. Your RBs can't hang onto the ball, and the most dangerous one - and the only one who can catch - misses half the season. Have fun with that.

The same effusive praise we've given Brady for making chicken salad out of chicken excrement should apply to McD.

Remember this board when McDaniels left the last time and people killed Bill O'Brien as he was trying to learn on the fly in 2009? The forum worshipped the ground McDaniels walked on and killed the team for not compensating him enough that he took a job with the Broncos. Then he comes back a few years later and people hate him again. It's the curse of the OC, really.

 

[BradyManny]

Remember this board when McDaniels left the last time and people killed Bill O'Brien as he was trying to learn on the fly in 2009? The forum worshipped the ground McDaniels walked on and killed the team for not compensating him enough that he took a job with the Broncos. Then he comes back a few years later and people hate him again. It's the curse of the OC, really.

True. Though I shouldn't talk since I killed on BOB. Every time I went to training camp, I walked away thinking he was sort of a bum. But he's worked out OK, so guess I was wrong.

Either way, the fact is players would rather blame playcalling than anything else. It's the easiest thing to do. OCs and DCs are rarely fan favorites. But seeing McDaniels do what he's done, in 07, then Cassel and now coming back, it's hard to believe anyone would want to see him go.

 

[Kontradiction]

True. Though I shouldn't talk since I killed on BOB. Every time I went to training camp, I walked away thinking he was sort of a bum. But he's worked out OK, so guess I was wrong.

Either way, the fact is players would rather blame playcalling than anything else. It's the easiest thing to do. OCs and DCs are rarely fan favorites. But seeing McDaniels do what he's done, in 07, then Cassel and now coming back, it's hard to believe anyone would want to see him go.

The main thing I ragged on O'Brien about in 2009 was calling the Kevin Faulk draw play 45641498786314864561 times per game.

 

[TomPatriot]

Remember this board when McDaniels left the last time and people killed Bill O'Brien as he was trying to learn on the fly in 2009? The forum worshipped the ground McDaniels walked on and killed the team for not compensating him enough that he took a job with the Broncos. Then he comes back a few years later and people hate him again. It's the curse of the OC, really.

That's because when a pass is incomplete, fans ask "why didn't they run the ball?" When the running game is stopped, fans say "why didn't you pass?" Some fans don't realize that failed plays also have a positive effect, an OC can't guess correctly all the time, audibles are called, players on offense sometimes don't execute and players on defense sometimes do.

 

[unoriginal]

That's because when a pass is incomplete, fans ask "why didn't they run the ball?" When the running game is stopped, fans say "why didn't you pass?" Some fans don't realize that failed plays also have a positive effect, an OC can't guess correctly all the time, audibles are called, players on offense sometimes don't execute and players on defense sometimes do.

Yeah, and that time is when the other team has the ball, or at least it would be if our DC wasn't such a turd.

 

[Ring 6]

That's because when a pass is incomplete, fans ask "why didn't they run the ball?" When the running game is stopped, fans say "why didn't you pass?" Some fans don't realize that failed plays also have a positive effect, an OC can't guess correctly all the time, audibles are called, players on offense sometimes don't execute and players on defense sometimes do.

No because in Madden you can score 80 points a game.
Clearly that just means the Madden player makes great play calls and would have the team scoring 80 if they would just listen to him.

 

[Froob]

No because in Madden you can score 80 points a game.
Clearly that just means the Madden player makes great play calls and would have the team scoring 80 if they would just listen to him.

I beat Baltimore 118-0 once. Just sayin', if McD gets hired I have my resume ready.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Okay, now I just went from feeling confident that he'd stay to feeling pissed in a matter of seconds.

And the Edelman comment made it even worse...

Hope to hell we don't lose either one, but I have a feeling that at least one will indeed move on.

I agree with Froob. I wish that McDaniels didn't have to have this distraction at this point of the season. Let freaking CLE deal with their own damn problems. We're at a critical point in the season.

All of this said, I'm a bit surprised that Belichick/JMcD didn't have an agreement in place 2 yrs ago when he re-joined. I'm sure there was an assumption that he'd get some HC offers.

I'm not buying it. I don't believe MacDaniel's would be calling coaches to go to Cleveland when he hasn't even interviewed for the job yet, and if that were true i would expect Belichick to relieve him of his duties in NE rather than have him recruiting NE coaches and players to go to Cleveland with him while the season is still in progress. If it is true then I would hope Belichick would fire him and do what he did to Mangini and ban him from the premises and contact with anyone in the organization.

I am sure MacDaniel's would both ask NE coaches to accompany him and go after NE free agents if he got the job and the season were over, however i honestly do not believe he would be doing those things prior to their season ending, let alone even interviewing for the job.

In short, I think that once again this is an example of faux media making sh.t up to get some notice.

 

[jmt57]

From the Cleveland Plain Dealer, their city's largest paper and top media source:
Cleveland Browns ask for permission to speak with Patriots OC Josh McDaniels, source says | cleveland.com

The Browns have asked the Patriots for permission to interview offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels, the Canton McKinley High and John Carroll University graduate, for their head coaching vacancy.

McDaniels, 37, has a longstanding relationship with Browns general manager Mike Lombardi and has been a longtime favorite of Browns CEO Joe Banner.

They wanted to interview McDaniels for their head coaching vacancy last year, but he wasn't ready to leave New England yet and uproot his wife and four children again so quickly.

At that time, a league source told cleveland.com that McDaniels would "jump at the chance'' to coach the team he grew up rooting for in his home town of Barberton, Ohio.​

I do have to wonder how Browns fans and the Cleveland media would react to McDaniels being hired there, given the history of Belichick and Mangini having coached the Browns previously.

 

[gtfanboy]

Also, if McDaniels leaves and Daboll gets the job, I think this forum will be hilarious next year. If the people who hate McDaniels think he's bad, wait until they get a load of Daboll.

I would hope they would at least look externally for a candidate and not just promote from within just for the sake of it...

 

[Kontradiction]

I would hope they would at least look externally for a candidate and not just promote from within just for the sake of it...

That generally goes against the way the Pats do things.

 

[Deus Irae]

Also, if McDaniels leaves and Daboll gets the job, I think this forum will be hilarious next year. If the people who hate McDaniels think he's bad, wait until they get a load of Daboll.

If McDaniels were to leave, and Daboll were to get the gig here, next year would probably be the first year that I'd be joining the anti-O.C. throng.

 

[convertedpatsfan]

I would hope they would at least look externally for a candidate and not just promote from within just for the sake of it...

Why?

I don't think they would be opposed to hiring externally, but there are a lot of disadvantages to doing so as well.

External candidates need to learn the personnel, personalities and politics as well as the culture of the franchise. They may have their own systems they want to implement which can cause confusion or interruptions to growth. They're not better just because they're from somewhere else.

Building a coaching staff is no different than building a roster. For your team, you want to build from the draft, draft guys that fit your system and develop them to do what you want. You can sign free agents, but sometimes they don't fit what you're doing or do things their own way. And they're more expensive. Sometimes you have no choice, you have to do it. But if you can develop resources within, it's usually better.

Big Ben had a really difficult transition period to Todd Haley, and while they finally sorted it out after a year and a half, that's two lost seasons for the Steelers who have missed the play-offs both years. And it was the transition to the no huddle which jump-started that offense, which quite frankly, they didn't need Haley for.

The Broncos modified their offense to fit Tebow when he was QB, and then again for Manning. When Mike McCoy left, they promoted internally with Adam Gase, again to ensure no interruptions for the QB.

Daboll could very well be the next coordinator if Josh leaves. I'd rather have a guy who has Brady's trust and comfort level than a big-name OC from somewhere else. Brady's been operating in the same offense more or less since his rookie season. It's transitioned over the years based on personnel but there are still plays he calls from his first year, just with different groupings. And that's a huge part of our success.

This offense has finished in the top 10 in points scored the past 10 seasons, including the top 5 the past 4 seasons. I really can't think of any external guys who I would trust to continue that success.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Why?

I don't think they would be opposed to hiring externally, but there are a lot of disadvantages to doing so as well.

External candidates need to learn the personnel, personalities and politics as well as the culture of the franchise. They may have their own systems they want to implement which can cause confusion or interruptions to growth. They're not better just because they're from somewhere else.

Building a coaching staff is no different than building a roster. For your team, you want to build from the draft, draft guys that fit your system and develop them to do what you want. You can sign free agents, but sometimes they don't fit what you're doing or do things their own way. And they're more expensive. Sometimes you have no choice, you have to do it. But if you can develop resources within, it's usually better.

Big Ben had a really difficult transition period to Todd Haley, and while they finally sorted it out after a year and a half, that's two lost seasons for the Steelers who have missed the play-offs both years. And it was the transition to the no huddle which jump-started that offense, which quite frankly, they didn't need Haley for.

The Broncos modified their offense to fit Tebow when he was QB, and then again for Manning. When Mike McCoy left, they promoted internally with Adam Gase, again to ensure no interruptions for the QB.

Daboll could very well be the next coordinator if Josh leaves. I'd rather have a guy who has Brady's trust and comfort level than a big-name OC from somewhere else. Brady's been operating in the same offense more or less since his rookie season. It's transitioned over the years based on personnel but there are still plays he calls from his first year, just with different groupings. And that's a huge part of our success.

This offense has finished in the top 10 in points scored the past 10 seasons, including the top 5 the past 4 seasons. I really can't think of any external guys who I would trust to continue that success.

I'm not a fan of Daboll but i think this is right on the money. Continuity is what is important. This is Brady's offense and he has been running it his entire career. It morphs year to year but the language and reads etc... stay within the system they have constructed. It has never been a situation where a new OC with new language and systems comes in and implements a new offense that Brady has to learn, and as long as he is here i expect that to continue, which is why they never went out and got a guy like Martz etc... to come in and implement his offense. I would rather see MacDaniels stay but if he leaves I expect that the new OC will come from this staff, or be a guy who has worked in it before, not a guy from outside with a new system to implement.

 

[ATippett56]

Remember this board when McDaniels left the last time and people killed Bill O'Brien as he was trying to learn on the fly in 2009? The forum worshipped the ground McDaniels walked on and killed the team for not compensating him enough that he took a job with the Broncos. Then he comes back a few years later and people hate him again. It's the curse of the OC, really.

Somewhere in North America, NEM is smiling.

 

[Bobs My Uncle]

I watched Browns owner Jim Haslam answer a question about his future HC search by saying that he wants a HC who is a "proven winner". Not sure Josh meets that qualification criteria ..... what was Josh's HC record again?

 

[gtfanboy]

Why?

I don't think they would be opposed to hiring externally, but there are a lot of disadvantages to doing so as well.

External candidates need to learn the personnel, personalities and politics as well as the culture of the franchise. They may have their own systems they want to implement which can cause confusion or interruptions to growth. They're not better just because they're from somewhere else.

Building a coaching staff is no different than building a roster. For your team, you want to build from the draft, draft guys that fit your system and develop them to do what you want. You can sign free agents, but sometimes they don't fit what you're doing or do things their own way. And they're more expensive. Sometimes you have no choice, you have to do it. But if you can develop resources within, it's usually better.

Big Ben had a really difficult transition period to Todd Haley, and while they finally sorted it out after a year and a half, that's two lost seasons for the Steelers who have missed the play-offs both years. And it was the transition to the no huddle which jump-started that offense, which quite frankly, they didn't need Haley for.

The Broncos modified their offense to fit Tebow when he was QB, and then again for Manning. When Mike McCoy left, they promoted internally with Adam Gase, again to ensure no interruptions for the QB.

Daboll could very well be the next coordinator if Josh leaves. I'd rather have a guy who has Brady's trust and comfort level than a big-name OC from somewhere else. Brady's been operating in the same offense more or less since his rookie season. It's transitioned over the years based on personnel but there are still plays he calls from his first year, just with different groupings. And that's a huge part of our success.

This offense has finished in the top 10 in points scored the past 10 seasons, including the top 5 the past 4 seasons. I really can't think of any external guys who I would trust to continue that success.

Overall I agree with what you are saying but I think my concern stems from what I have highlighted above. Brady is a big reason that our offense has clicked in many of those years. The year with Cassel of course shows the coaching is a big part of it as well but overall Brady played at an elite level which covered up coaching/personnel issues.

The job should go to the best OC candidate available whether internal or external. I doubt that even if an external candidate is brought in, he would be allowed to purge/start over with the system. I don't think Belichick would allow that. The overall system would exist more or less as now but new concepts may be introduced or utilized which could be beneficial long term.

Daboll in his previous OC jobs has not shown much. Again he didn't have QBs to work with but then that goes back to how much Brady is covering up the system and vice versa. If the only reason Daboll gets the job is that he is here, then that could be detrimental.

I guess it just goes back to what I was saying in that I just hope they look at all options available rather than just blindly putting Daboll in McDaniel's place. That's all.

 

[JMarr]

The problem is that many feel as though it can become a distraction of sorts, even for the most polished professional. We're already hearing of how JMcD is calling around to other assistants to build a coaching staff (or at least see what he'd be potentially working with should he accept). That alone is taking precious time away from any kind of tweaking of the offense he could be using his time for, even if his options are limited until next Monday when they start their formal preparation and know their opponent.
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For all we know, McDaniels may have called around on his lunch break or even on his own personal time today, so I don't mean to insinuate anything. At the same time though, it's certainly a concern shared by many fans.

Yes it does happen quite a bit, both in college and the Pros. In many cases it's harmless, but obviously the Pats' situation is much different right now.

This type of thing, beyond anything else, is why I've disliked McDaniels. If he does it again this year he needs to pack his bags right now and GTFO so the Pats can fully concentrate on the task at hand. If I recall correctly, McD was also fielding offers during the 2007 playoffs.

--After the 2008 season I was surprised that BB seemed to genuinely give his blessing to JD to leave, given all the circumstances and given what had happened to BB in Cleveland. (Then for McD to show up Belichick after the Denver game the next season was LaDainian Tomlinson-level classless IMO.)

--So I was surprised and dismayed when BB hired Skippy back as OC, but somewhat ok with it after people around here were mentioning an "agreement" between the two requiring that McD not to skip out again. (I'm guessing now that that agreement was that Skippy would stay for two seasons).

--I understand BB's loyalty to his coaches and his taking great satisfaction in mentoring these guys to go on to bigger and better things, but I care only about the Pats and couldn't give a sh%te about McD. If McD has any class, loyalty or gratitude to BB and the Pats, he won't cause a distraction again this year. If he does, I wish him nothing but failure and humiliation again with his new team.

Happy New Year.

 

[BradyFTW!]

Remember this board when McDaniels left the last time and people killed Bill O'Brien as he was trying to learn on the fly in 2009? The forum worshipped the ground McDaniels walked on and killed the team for not compensating him enough that he took a job with the Broncos. Then he comes back a few years later and people hate him again. It's the curse of the OC, really.

I think it was two different groups of people. There are people who hated McDaniels then and still hate him now, and people who liked him then and still like him now. Remember maverick4? I honestly think that guy would have willed McDaniels dead, if he had the ability, even back in 2007.