Rumor - McDaniels to be the Browns HC

[IcyPatriot]

I've watched Belichick long enough to know the next man up is more than capable because they are already in training. We had members here who once thought Belichick sucked at coaching offense and sucked as a GM and was spreading himself to thin ... all this stuff is cyclical gossip.

I wish Josh well wherever he may be next year ... he's a more than a capable coach and he is replaceable ... he's good ... not great. I thought Charlie and Romeo were not replaceable ... especially Romeo ... I have learned since then. As long as there is never an Ernie Zampese type ... I'm fine.

 

[Kdo5]

Good.

I'm sick of his horrendous playcalling. If he didn't have a hall of fame QB running his offense he would be working at McDonals.

If this does happen then I look forward to seeing the McDaniels haters proceed to whine about how horrible our next OC is. There will always be heat on the OC whenever the offense isn't setting records or being statistically the best offense in the league. Even if the offense is, it's not as if the OC will get much credit at all.

 

[IcyPatriot]

If this does happen then I look forward to seeing the McDaniels haters proceed to whine about how horrible our next OC is. There will always be heat on the OC whenever the offense isn't setting records or being statistically the best offense in the league. Even if the offense is, it's not as if the OC will get much credit at all.

Look at all the crap O'Brien took when he started.

 

[Kdo5]

Look at all the crap O'Brien took when he started.

Yup and our offense was the best (I think) in the league that year. Anyone can look at a play or a couple of plays that don't work and say, "See! [OC] is garbage!". Yet that argument is total crap when the offense is consistently one of the best in the league. I might give consideration to such arguments if we were in the bottom half of the league in that department.

 

[Brady6]

They were 8th in the league in scoring when Brady was on the shelf and McDaniels was forced to work with a QB who hadn't started a game since high school.

in other words, you have no idea what you're talking about.

I don’t know why everyone keeps talking about 2005-2008 and ignore the possibility that McDaniels time away from the team changed him and he developed bad traits…

 

[Patjew]

I don’t know why everyone keeps talking about 2005-2008 and ignore the possibility that McDaniels time away from the team changed him and he developed bad traits…

Maybe because last year's offense was transcendent and this year he made chicken salad out of chicken ****.

 

[MassPats38]

Look at all the crap O'Brien took when he started.

If you have spent enough time on this board, I suspect that would likely be true of every OC under BB. I wonder if the people now blasting away at the current inept OC were doing the same when his predecessors were OCs, yet now speak with glowing fondness of their positive contributions and how the Pats were so much better when Weis or BOB were here.

 

[obgod3]

I don't think Josh is going anywhere, I think BB and Kraft like him and see him as a successor to BB someday. I dislike some of play calling but then again I suspect he knows a a lot more than us. Brady was on weei a week or two ago and talked about how plays are called and in particular in the red zone, how they see things, how they know certain a play won't work and you have to try something else. Etc. etc.

I got a bit of a better understanding after hearing it of what josh and Brady have to do when calling plays. Is still think when something is working you keep doing it until your stopped.

As far as Josh's deal in Denver! I live here so believe me when I say I get the brunt of broncos hatred, but there were lots of people in the broncos organization that could have overruled Josh, but they didn't. They all blame it on josh but in any organization there are lots of people at fault, decker and Thomas haven't done so bad. Wish we had one of those two guys. I'm not saying everything he did was smart but he had a lousy GM and an owner that IMHO was out of touch.

When it comes to offense I don't know who you would get that is better, we know in Denver there is an OC but we also know manning runs that offense.

 

[SalemPats]

I would rather have a defensive guy as our coach not McDaniels

 

[Kdo5]

I would rather have a defensive guy as our coach not McDaniels

I vote for BB as long as he still wants to coach. Not even contemplating successors in any near future.

 

[slam]

It isn't McDaniels, it is position. Everyone hates the OC and every fan of every team thinks that their OC is the worst in the league and their play calling is the worst in the league.

And only the Jets fans are correct.

 

[JoeSixPat]

I don't see how anyone wouldn't be disappointed to see McDaniels go.

In his first tenure, IMO, he (or perhaps Brady choosing his own options) was often far too predictable. Sure it worked for the most part, but on those "must make" plays, predictable became their achilles heel that lost them some big games.

In this incarnation, McDaniels still hasn't been perfect - that one game where he inexplicably abandoned the run comes to mind, which cost them a win IMO - but damn, folks, if you can't appreciate what he's done this year, you don't know football.

The number of injuries and losses McDaniels has had to deal with is nothing short of amazing. And to come out of that with a 12-4 record and the 2 seed with the bye is nothing short of outstanding.

Credit where credit is due - interest in McDaniels is justified - I just hope it doesn't come to be.

 

[wolverinejoe80]

good for him. but browns? that's a cursed organization. i would wait for a better opportunity.

 

[QuantumMechanic]

Can someone explain why us hiring Belichick cost us a 1st round pick but other teams can consistently hire away our DCs and OCs without any compensation? Im guessing that with Bill it was because he was the HC and not a Coordinator?

Team Y can't hire away any coach/front-office employee who is currently under contract to Team X, unless:

• Team X releases the the person from their contract, or
• The contract has a clause that says if the specific situation comes up the person is allowed to void the contract and move on.

My guess is that there is either specific language in contracts that lets the person out of the contract if Team Y is offering a promotion, or else there is an unwritten rule that Team X will release the person w/o demanding compensation if Team Y is offering a promotion.

Outside of that, Team X can demand compensation to release the person from the contract. Or just outright refuse to do so regardless of what compensation Team Y offers. While Team X can't force the person to keep working for Team X, they can prevent the person from working for Team Y for the remaining duration of the contract.

When our OCs and DCs have been hired away, they've been hired away into a promotion, not a lateral move. When NE tried to get BB from the Jets, BB was the HC, so it was a lateral move. And yes, BB resigned as HC of the NYJ, but that was irrelevant to whether or not BB was under contract to the NYJ. And the NYJ demanded compensation to release BB to NE.

 

[IcyPatriot]

good for him. but browns? that's a cursed organization. i would wait for a better opportunity.

Kind of but they have many picks and will get a QB - 4 could go top 10.

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[JMarr]

I don't see how anyone wouldn't be disappointed to see McDaniels go.

In his first tenure, IMO, he (or perhaps Brady choosing his own options) was often far too predictable. Sure it worked for the most part, but on those "must make" plays, predictable became their achilles heel that lost them some big games.

In this incarnation, McDaniels still hasn't been perfect - that one game where he inexplicably abandoned the run comes to mind, which cost them a win IMO - but damn, folks, if you can't appreciate what he's done this year, you don't know football.

The number of injuries and losses McDaniels has had to deal with is nothing short of amazing. And to come out of that with a 12-4 record and the 2 seed with the bye is nothing short of outstanding.

Credit where credit is due - interest in McDaniels is justified - I just hope it doesn't come to be.

All good points. I haven't read the whole thread, but anyone rooting for McD to leave is nuts. He has always struck me as an arrogant little pr#ck and I hate his playcalling at times, but on the whole he's as good on OC as you're going to get and has done a fantastic job this year, given all the injuries.

The last time he was hired away and was a lame duck OC was right before the SB that shall not be named, where he completely crapped the bed IMO. If he accepts another HC position I want him gone NOW so the Pats can move on and concentrate on what needs to be done to win another Lombardi.

 

[patsfan-1982]

I wish him the best of luck if he does become the browns HC but I would like to see him stay one more year #1 because I think the running game is better with him as the OC and #2 because I would like to see him get a better team to go to like the cowboys,


I know the browns are only a good QB away from winning 10 games but playing 6 games vs pitt cincy and the ravens will be a dog fight

 

[Dr Pain]

good for him. but browns? that's a cursed organization. i would wait for a better opportunity.

Minnesota to be with Cassel or the Browns with Hoyer?

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Team Y can't hire away any coach/front-office employee who is currently under contract to Team X, unless:

• Team X releases the the person from their contract, or
• The contract has a clause that says if the specific situation comes up the person is allowed to void the contract and move on.

My guess is that there is either specific language in contracts that lets the person out of the contract if Team Y is offering a promotion, or else there is an unwritten rule that Team X will release the person w/o demanding compensation if Team Y is offering a promotion.

Except that there is a clause that supersedes contract rights in two specific cases:

(1) A team cannot prevent an OC or DC (or, I think, any assistant) from interviewing for—or accepting—any head coach vacancy (although they can restrict when they interview). In this particular case, since the Patriots are on a bye, I believe they have to allow McDaniels to interview this week if he wants to.

(2) A team cannot prevent non-coach front office personnel from interviewing for a general manager position, provided that (A) the GM position has final say over the roster and (B) the employee does not have that authority in his current position. So, for example, the Patriots cannot prevent Nick Caserio from interviewing for a final-say GM position so long as Belichick retains that power.

 

[wolverinejoe80]

Kind of but they have many picks and will get a QB - 4 could go top 10.

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but i think this draft is kinda weak. i'm not big on anybody else except maybe bridgewater who they can't pick.

if i'm josh mac, i wait out another year. i would go wherever jameis winston may end up.