Anyone else tired of the run getting abandoned?

[JMC00]

When it seems like it is working in a game?

The problem in this game was and I know the pass was working was McDaniels just abandoning the run.

55 passes to 22 runs and they only ran it 9 times in the 2nd half.

There was a clear weakness in their run defense. Ya they sniffed out a few runs but I think most every team in the league has a few every game.

You've driven 13 plays, 83 yards and are 2nd and goal from the 4 and you throw it twice. You're telling me you can't give it to Vereen, Blount, Ridley, Bolden with Develin lead blocking two straight times? And if they stop you 2nd and goal and 3rd and goal from the 4 you tip you cap to them and kick the FG.

And if it's me i'm actually considering a 4th down run there if one of the runs gets the ball inside the 1.

Potentially 3 cracks from the inside the 5 to get 7 and McDaniels forgets he's got a stable of RBs that probably fall forward and get into the end zone.

IMO this was where the game was lost.

You take 4 points off the board because you want to throw it on 2nd and goal and 3rd and goal from the 4 yard line. For what? To try and prove a point?

The problems in the red zone without Gronk is because there has been more than a few times where McDaniels has avoided running like the plague.

 

[PatsFan2]

I hope McDaniels gets an interview his act is getting old McDaniels doesn't Adjust when the other Teams Adjust and thats why our Offense struggles.

 

[hull34]

I said the same thing on those plays .

 

[Ring 6]

When it seems like it is working in a game?

The problem in this game was and I know the pass was working was McDaniels just abandoning the run.

55 passes to 22 runs and they only ran it 9 times in the 2nd half.

There was a clear weakness in their run defense. Ya they sniffed out a few runs but I think most every team in the league has a few every game.

You've driven 13 plays, 83 yards and are 2nd and goal from the 4 and you throw it twice. You're telling me you can't give it to Vereen, Blount, Ridley, Bolden with Develin lead blocking two straight times. And if they stop you 2nd and goal and 3rd and goal from the 4 you tip you cap to them and kick the FG.

And if it's me i'm actually considering a 4th down run there if one of the runs gets the ball inside the 1.

Potentially 3 cracks from the inside the 5 to get 7 and McDaniels forgets he's got a stable of RB that probably fall forward and get into the end zone.

IMO this was where the game was lost.

You take 4 points off the board because you want to throw it on 2nd and goal and 3rd and goal from the 4 yard line. For what? To try and prove a point?

The problems in the red zone without Gronk is because there has been more than a few times where McDaniels has avoided running like the plague.

I dont agree.
The last 3 drives were 31 passes and 3 runs.
Those drives resulted in FG,TD, and the end of the game drive almost the length of the field.

The rest of the drives had a 24 pass to 19 run ratio, very heavy on the run.
Those 6 drives resulted in the same 10 points as these 3.

In other words we were extremely balances until the last 3 drives, went pass happy took the lead doing so then drove down the field in the last minute and a half but fell short.

 

[JMC00]

So you disagree that it was bad play calling to throw it twice from the 4?

 

[chasa]

what im curious about is why there wasnt any play action passes. I dont think i saw a single run fake throw deep that we normally see.

 

[PatsFan2]

what im curious about is why there wasnt any play action passes. I dont think i saw a single run fake throw deep that we normally see.

Thompkins and Dobson MIA had something to do with that also OL Breakdowns inside and out.

 

[Froob]

I hope McDaniels gets an interview his act is getting old McDaniels doesn't Adjust when the other Teams Adjust and thats why our Offense struggles.

Could have something to do with 2 very good tackles out, only 3 wide outs healthy by the end of the game, and only two tight ends and both primarly blocking tight ends. Give Josh a healthy line, wide outs, and Gronk and Ahern back and this is probably #1 or at least #2 scoring offense in the league.

 

[SVN]

Chat: Chat with Tedy Bruschi - SportsNation - ESPN Boston

Will (Austin, TX)

Tedy,Could you explain to the pedestrian why the patriots went away from the run in the red zone. Blount and Ridley seemed like they were both having there way in the first few drives. Then it seemed like once they got down into dolphin territory they went small ball. Why go away when your back is getting over 5 yards a play and really overpowering there defense. It seemed like it could have been like Ridley and Blount could have both gone for 100 yards in that game. I know you want the ball in Brady's hands but it just did not make sense to me.
Tedy (2:11 PM)

There are a lot of questions focusing on offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels and why they don't run the ball and why they don't stick with the run. Let's all remember the situation they are in -- they have RBs that haven't been reliable in the ball-security department. The more you give the ball to Stevan Ridley, the more he has a chance to get worn down and fumble the ball. That will be in the coaching staff's mind the rest of the year. So it's basically pick your poison. You can be efficient with how many carries these guys get, and minimize the chance of a turnover by letting Brady throw the ball. That has to be part of their thought process.

Bill Belichick on red zone, key plays on D - ESPN Boston

1. Struggles in the red zone: Belichick detailed what unfolded on the two red-zone drives that ended in field goals. On the first drive, a 6-yard connection to Julian Edelman set up a second-and-4, but the Patriots couldn't finish. Then on their fourth-quarter drive, an incomplete pass on first down was followed by an 8-yard run by LeGarrette Blount before an incomplete pass brought out the field-goal unit. Belichick said the Dolphins were showing pressure looks in the red zone.

"That was basically their game plan in the red area, was to put everybody up pretty close to the line of scrimmage. Sometimes they came, sometimes they didn’t come; sometimes a couple guys came, so they had a couple different combinations there," he said.

"On that particular play, we were kind of one short on the protection based on the blitz that they ran. The pressure came from the right side there and we weren’t really able to get, obviously, get into the whole pattern. That was the one where [Derrick] Shelby came free. But that’s part of the chess match down there in the red area. When they show pressure, to be able to block it but then they don’t always come so you don’t want to be keeping everybody in and have two of your three guys get doubled out there, so it’s a little bit of a back-and-forth game."

 

[JMC00]

Could have something to do with 2 very good tackles out, only 3 wide outs healthy by the end of the game, and only two tight ends and both primarly blocking tight ends. Give Josh a healthy line, wide outs, and Gronk and Ahern back and this is probably #1 or at least #2 scoring offense in the league.

Solder was still in the game and Blount had run the ball pretty effectively when McDaniels/or/Brady decided to go all peyton manning and throw it twice from the 4 yard line.

 

[Ring 6]

So you disagree that it was bad play calling to throw it twice from the 4?

When did we throw it twice from the 4?

 

[reflexblue]

When it seems like it is working in a game?

The problem in this game was and I know the pass was working was McDaniels just abandoning the run.

55 passes to 22 runs and they only ran it 9 times in the 2nd half.

There was a clear weakness in their run defense. Ya they sniffed out a few runs but I think most every team in the league has a few every game.

You've driven 13 plays, 83 yards and are 2nd and goal from the 4 and you throw it twice. You're telling me you can't give it to Vereen, Blount, Ridley, Bolden with Develin lead blocking two straight times? And if they stop you 2nd and goal and 3rd and goal from the 4 you tip you cap to them and kick the FG.

And if it's me i'm actually considering a 4th down run there if one of the runs gets the ball inside the 1.

Potentially 3 cracks from the inside the 5 to get 7 and McDaniels forgets he's got a stable of RBs that probably fall forward and get into the end zone.

IMO this was where the game was lost.

You take 4 points off the board because you want to throw it on 2nd and goal and 3rd and goal from the 4 yard line. For what? To try and prove a point?

The problems in the red zone without Gronk is because there has been more than a few times where McDaniels has avoided running like the plague.

Tired of seeing the run abandoned? ive been tired of the same thing for the last six or seven years. Or ever since TB became more than a 'game manager'. IMO the the pats have become to pass happy.

 

[Tunescribe]

I certainly never get tired of seeing them run with abandon, especially Ridley and Vereen.

 

[JMC00]

When did we throw it twice from the 4?

New England Patriots at 11:06 NE MIA
1st and 10 at NE 13 (Shotgun) L.Blount right guard to NE 24 for 11 yards (R.Jones; C.Clemons).
1st and 10 at NE 24 T.Brady pass short left to L.Blount to NE 30 for 6 yards (N.Carroll).
2nd and 4 at NE 30 (Shotgun) L.Blount left guard to NE 39 for 9 yards (R.Jones).
1st and 10 at NE 39 L.Blount right tackle to NE 41 for 2 yards (C.Clemons).
2nd and 8 at NE 41 T.Brady pass short right to J.Edelman to NE 47 for 6 yards (R.Jones).
3rd and 2 at NE 47 J.Develin up the middle to NE 49 for 2 yards (K.Misi).
1st and 10 at NE 49 (Shotgun) T.Brady pass incomplete deep middle to J.Edelman.
2nd and 10 at NE 49 (Shotgun) T.Brady pass short left to D.Amendola to MIA 43 for 8 yards (P.Wheeler).
3rd and 2 at MIA 43 (Shotgun) T.Brady pass short right to J.Edelman pushed ob at MIA 21 for 22 yards (R.Jones).
1st and 10 at MIA 21 (Shotgun) T.Brady pass short right to J.Boyce pushed ob at MIA 13 for 8 yards (B.Grimes).
2nd and 2 at MIA 13 L.Blount left guard to MIA 12 for 1 yard (R.Starks).
3rd and 1 at MIA 12 L.Blount left tackle to MIA 10 for 2 yards (N.Carroll).
1st and 10 at MIA 10 (Shotgun) T.Brady pass short left to J.Edelman pushed ob at MIA 4 for 6 yards (N.Carroll).
2nd and 4 at MIA 4 (Shotgun) T.Brady pass incomplete short right to D.Amendola.
3rd and 4 at MIA 4 (Shotgun) T.Brady pass incomplete short middle to J.Boyce (J.Wilson).
4th and 4 at MIA 4 S.Gostkowski 22 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-D.Aiken, Holder-R.Allen. 3 0

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[Ring 6]

So you disagree that it was bad play calling to throw it twice from the 4?

If you are talking about the late FG drive, your facts are off a bit.
They had driven 73 yards in 11 plays to get 1st and 10 on the 13.

Those 11 plays were 10 passes 8 of which were complete for 66 yrds , and one run for 2 yards. (and 1 penalty for 5)
So they drove down the field with short passes and called a short pass on 1st and 10 at the 13. Hard to complain about that.
They ran on 2nd and 10 and got 8.
On 3rd and 2 Brady threw a short pass to Verreen.
Based on the way the game had been going and that drive, I'm not sure what to object to there.

 

[upstater1]

I saw them running the ball yesterday, except not so much in the last 3 drives, but there was not much to complain about in those drives other than not getting in the red zone on the last one.

Even on the drive prior to the 3 scoring drives, the Patriots had a big 30 yard completion to Boyce that he was a hair from turning into a 65 yard TD.

 

[Brady6]

When it seems like it is working in a game?

The problem in this game was and I know the pass was working was McDaniels just abandoning the run.

55 passes to 22 runs and they only ran it 9 times in the 2nd half.

There was a clear weakness in their run defense. Ya they sniffed out a few runs but I think most every team in the league has a few every game.

You've driven 13 plays, 83 yards and are 2nd and goal from the 4 and you throw it twice. You're telling me you can't give it to Vereen, Blount, Ridley, Bolden with Develin lead blocking two straight times? And if they stop you 2nd and goal and 3rd and goal from the 4 you tip you cap to them and kick the FG.

And if it's me i'm actually considering a 4th down run there if one of the runs gets the ball inside the 1.

Potentially 3 cracks from the inside the 5 to get 7 and McDaniels forgets he's got a stable of RBs that probably fall forward and get into the end zone.

IMO this was where the game was lost.

You take 4 points off the board because you want to throw it on 2nd and goal and 3rd and goal from the 4 yard line. For what? To try and prove a point?

The problems in the red zone without Gronk is because there has been more than a few times where McDaniels has avoided running like the plague.

I think part of the problem is our RBs are not trust worthy right now so when we’re in a tight ball game or losing I think McDaniels trusts Brady with the ball more than he trusts Ridley or Blount. I get the impression they’re trying to limit the amount of handoffs Vereen takes given his wrist still has a cast on it.

 

[ausbacker]

I wonder how much longer Belichick is going to spite his face by sitting Ridley? Fumbles or not, he is a dynamic runner than commands attention. Hell, the use of Vereen yesterday was just mind boggling. With Gronk out, the attention has to switch to using your better players in the run game.

Josh McDaniels is a helluva OC but I often wonder what goes through his head when it relates to the run game.

 

[Ring 6]

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No, I have no problem with that. It was a 0-0 game in the first quarter and Brady drove the team down the field completing 6 of 7.
The success rate in throwing each of those downs is greater than running.
At the 4 you basically have 9 men in the box.

 

[Rob0729]

The Pats were without Solder in the second half with Mankins playing LT and Kline playing RG. The o-line was playing like crap to begin with. The Pats were forced into a lot of shotgun formations because the o-line couldn't block anything at times.

I swear people just look for reasons to kill McDaniels. There were plays where he made questionable calls, but what OC doesn't. But it seems that people aren't even watching the games to see the situations the Pats were in.

Also, on the drive where the Pats passed on two consecutive plays on 2nd and 3rd and goal. People may want to look to see if Brady checked out of a run. Many times, Brady audibles out of a play and then people kill McDaniels for it if it doesn't work. i can't remember those two plays though.