Welker could miss homecoming with concussion

[Huckleberry1]

as a bills fan i can only say that hockey season can't get here fast enough.

Oh sh.t, it's already here?



Oh no, my hockey teams sucks as much as the bills do.



Good thing there's so much more to my life than my sports teams, i can just spend all my time trolling other sports team's messageboards...

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[PP2]

I think he has to pass a test on Friday to be cleared to play. Being cleared to practice doesn't mean he is cleared to play. Odds are extremely good he will be cleared to play though.

I don't think it's the time or day that really matters, only that he is certified beforehand by an independent neurologist as being capable of playing on Sunday night. Practice participation means nothing.

Even if he really wants to play, he supposedly can be overruled.

That being said, I wouldn't be surprised to see him on the field, come Sunday.

 

[Rob0729]

The Patriots tried to screw over a player. It's not as if this is the first time the team's done it. It came back to bite them in this ass this time.

I think you are overstating it. The Pats seemed to have a pretty good pulse on Welkers' value and offered him a deal in the range of his value. Now you can argue they could have been more aggressive with their offers and they tried to get him to take a deal at the lower end of his value, but it isn't like the market value for him was $12 million a year and they offered him $6 million a year. Their offer was in the right ball park.

And we do not know the negotiations. I am sure both sides are wrong in this. Rarely is it one side that is all wrong. I think Welker's side may have misjudged his value and took the Patriots' offer personally.

And so far, losing Welker really hasn't hurting the Patriots, I don't know if the Pats would have a different record right now if they had him. I still think the odds are they would still be 7-3 and at best 8-2 (which could be a huge difference). In the three losses though, I don't know if you could look at it and say "If the Pats had Welker, they would have won this game". Certainly, not on Sunday.

Welker would have made the offense better especially early during the growing pains, but I don't think the Pats would have a different record right now. And unless Amendola gets injured again, I don't think they will miss him going forward.

 

[Rob0729]

I don't think it's the time or day that really matters, only that he is certified beforehand by an independent neurologist as being capable of playing on Sunday night. Practice participation means nothing.

Even if he really wants to play, he supposedly can be overruled.

That being said, I wouldn't be surprised to see him on the field, come Sunday.

There is a progression, but I don't know if there is set days. Typically, players are cleared to practice earlier in the week (Tuesday and Thursday) and then re-evaluated on Friday to whether they can play. The days are not rigid, but the process is. He will need to be re-evaluated and cleared to play.

 

[PATSNUTme]

The Patriots tried to screw over a player. It's not as if this is the first time the team's done it. It came back to bite them in this ass this time.

I wish that someone would try to screw me by offering me $8mil when my market value is $6mil.
But let's not let the facts get in the way of emotion.

 

[BradyFTW!]

Two observations:

1) did anyone seriously think Welker was going to miss this game?

2) There is no definition of 'screwing' someone that fits the offer that the Pats made to Welker. They twice offered him better deals than he ended up signing with Denver, and he turned them down both times. It's clear that it was Welker, and not the Pats, that misunderstood his market value. That said, in hindsight an extra million per year to keep him here looks like it would have been money well-spent. But then again, the Pats made their decision with 2014-15 in mind more than 2013, so I guess we can't really say for at least another year.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Pathetic attempt.

The irony of having a troll call something else pathetic.............lmao




hey, you should be able to answer this....what's it like going through your whole life with your football team sucking and getting completely dominated by another team in the division?


Does it suck as much as watching that opposing team win 3 Super Bowls and 5 AFC Championships?

 

[Rob0729]

I wish that someone would try to screw me by offering me $8mil when my market value is $6mil.
But let's not let the facts get in the way of emotion.

Yeah, the Pats offered him market value. When he was franchised, it was probably closer to the lower end of market value (which became higher a year later), but it was market value. His value decreased a bit this year because the market got tighter and he was another year older.

They could have overpaid him a bit because of his value to the offense, but that isn't really the Pats style at least for players on the wrong side of 30.

 

[BradyFTW!]

It doesn't bother me at all because I know once Tom Brady retires the bandwagon fans will retreat and the early 90's Patriots will come out to play.

So once the team bottoms out it might be just as bad as your team's been for the past 15 years. Is that supposed to make us feel bad or you feel worse?

 

[Jackson 2]

It doesn't bother me at all because I know once Tom Brady retires the bandwagon fans will retreat and the early 90's Patriots will come out to play.

Not unless McPherson and Orthwein replace Belichick and Kraft. Sorry...

 

[Kontradiction]

It doesn't matter to me how it makes you feel. The Bills will never be good until the drooling depends wearing owner passes away.

Eh, probably not. Even if you guys begin putting together good draft classes, guys will just leave after their rookie contracts expire since no athlete in their right mind wants to willingly live in Buffalo.

 

[vyrago]

Yeah, the Pats offered him market value. When he was franchised, it was probably closer to the lower end of market value (which became higher a year later), but it was market value. His value decreased a bit this year because the market got tighter and he was another year older.

They could have overpaid him a bit because of his value to the offense, but that isn't really the Pats style at least for players on the wrong side of 30.

Shaughnessy claims on csnne that BB hates WW. True? If so, kinda dumb.

 

[Deus Irae]

I wish that someone would try to screw me by offering me $8mil when my market value is $6mil.
But let's not let the facts get in the way of emotion.

You can keep pretending that the Patriots didn't screw over Welker, if that's what it takes to make you feel better. This discussion has been held often enough to show that repeating it is a waste of time. Pointing out the truth will suffice, and I've done that already.

 

[goheels22002]

Jeff Howe ?@jeffphowe 32m
Wes Welker has been cleared to practice and is on the field today, according to reporters in Denver.

Excellent. It will be great to see how this multi-level drama plays out. The rest of the schedule has none of the luster or intrigue that this game has. No matter what, it will be nice to Wes Welker doing his thing at Gillette.

 

[Fencer]

If they offered him the same money that Denver did, he would have stayed.

Too bad his agent was so persuasive in convincing the Pats that wasn't true. I think his turning down the offer you say they didn't make was a key part of the Pats getting that impression.

 

[goheels22002]

You can keep pretending that the Patriots didn't screw over Welker, if that's what it takes to make you feel better. This discussion has been held often enough to show that repeating it is a waste of time. Pointing out the truth will suffice, and I've done that already.

Welker didn't get screwed over. He left for more money to play with the best or second best QB of his era. Shed not a tear for Wes Welker.

The contract he should have taken was the $16 million two-year fully guaranteed deal in 2011. Instead he opted for the franchise tender that led to last year's mess.

Whatever. The Patriots are in a great place now and for the future at the receiver position. I hope Brady goes off against that crappy Broncos defense for 50 and sends the Forehead and his little buddy home crying in their Papa John's pizza.

 

[signbabybrady]

You can keep pretending that the Patriots didn't screw over Welker, if that's what it takes to make you feel better. This discussion has been held often enough to show that repeating it is a waste of time. Pointing out the truth will suffice, and I've done that already.

I think you can take either side in this argument and bring up valid facts for both and IMO both deserve their fair share of blame but in no way did anyone screw anyone. If anything both sides screwed themselves. Welker got less than what the Patriots offered and the Patriots were left without his services. Had they each been willing to comprimise more then maybe this would have happened but Wes left and got less then we offered, in what reality is paying more for someone screwing them?

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

It doesn't matter to me how it makes you feel. The Bills will never be good until the drooling depends wearing owner passes away.

Hate crime against the elderly

 

[Rob0729]

Shaughnessy claims on csnne that BB hates WW. True? If so, kinda dumb.

I am sure neither guy is each other's biggest fan right now. I don't think Belichick lets his personal feelings of someone affect his personnel decisions. It seemed more personal for Welker than Belichick. I bet he hates Belichick more than Belichick hates him. I don't think either is on the other's Christmas card list.

 

[Rob0729]

I think you can take either side in this argument and bring up valid facts for both and IMO both deserve their fair share of blame but in no way did anyone screw anyone. If anything both sides screwed themselves. Welker got less than what the Patriots offered and the Patriots were left without his services. Had they each been willing to comprimise more then maybe this would have happened but Wes left and got less then we offered, in what reality is paying more for someone screwing them?

Yeah people want to choose sides, but the truth is most likely both sides are to blame for the break up. My guess is the Pats were too rigid and cold in their negotiations and Welker lets his feelings affect his negotiations.

Typical when deals go bad like this, no one is fully to blame and both sides share a large portion of the blame.