McCourty did less than Kuechly and got called [PICTURE]

[Kulko]

you missed the part where mccourty grabbed and twisted olsen before the ball was thrown. Kuechly didn't modify Gronk's route.

9/10 times I think that kuechly play is a PI though.

I think that's what hurts about this call. Carolina did definitely enough to deserve the win. And they had just extended the drive on a borderline call, so they would not gift the win. But that hold was very heavy handed and just should have been called. Well it is what it is and it's not like we haven't won games on the reluctance of refs to interfere too.

 

[VJCPatriot]

Re: Re: McCourty did less than Kuechly and got called [PICTURE]

We need to play better. It's as simple as that. Can't make excuses. Let the other teams do that.

They didn't play well enough. Obviously. But that doesn't get the refs off the hook either. This was a worse jobbing than the jets game because the refs screwed up two crucial calls in favor of one side. In both ganes the calls led to losses.

How do you miss a blatant bearhug as pi? Of course ball becomes uncatchable when intended target can't move!! Frigging goodell lackeys!!

 

[supafly]

They didn't play well enough. Obviously. But that doesn't get the refs off the hook either. This was a worse jobbing than the jets game because the refs screwed up two crucial calls in favor of one side. In both ganes the calls led to losses.

How do you miss a blatant bearhug as pi? Of course ball becomes uncatchable when intended target can't move!! Frigging goodell lackeys!!

Here are 13 much better reasons why we were even in that position to begin with, and did not deserve to win the game:



1--We only stopped TWO Carolina drives the entire game. They scored on us at will with 3 TD's and 1 FG. The other two drives were punts, but when you only force a team to punt two times, you aren't going to have much of a chance to win

2--At one point Ian tweeted a stat that we had given up 8/11 third down conversions. I'm not sure how much it changed after that because I haven't looked at the final stats, but I'm not expecting much of a difference. Either way, giving up 8/11 third down attempts continues the horrid trend that we saw with Cincy, Miami, and the NYJ when we had some stretches in there that included giving up 6 or 7 straight third down conversions in two separate games. That is totally unacceptable on every level

3--We missed many key tackles, including a few on Newton that allowed them to have huge gains on key third down situations. On top of that, we also missed the tackle that allowed Ted Ginn to score the game winning TD

4--We failed to even produce ONE turnover for the first time in 35, 36, 37 games (I'm not sure where the streak was at) which had been the NFL's longest streak. As a whole we ended up -2 in the turnover battle. Check out the odds of winning a game at -2, they are downright awful

5--Ridley once again showed his tendency to not only fumble, but to fumble at the most inopportune time of the game. We had all of the momentum in the BUF game and were running away with it when Ridley fumbled in the red zone. In the PIT game, we were once again running away with the game and Ridley's fumble allowed them to make a furious comeback and tie the game, totally swinging the momentum. Tonight, yet again--he fumbled while we were driving down the field and in the red zone getting ready to score. It is just not Patriots football, and you cannot make huge mistakes like that

6--Talib was invisible, getting torched by an old Steve Smith. To make things worse, his 5 week layoff which cost us some games, seemed to do nothing for his hip injury, as we are once again back at square one as he is injured yet again. For a supposed "top cover corner" he tends to disappear at the most inopportune times imaginable, and yet again we are stuck with a lack of talent and depth at CB

7--Our offensive play calling in the game's most crucial situation with the score tied at 17 after a very nice comeback was horrid, as we had a golden opportunity to put pressure on the Panthers by going up 24-17 late in the game. Instead we decided to try a ridiculous pass play on a crucial 3rd and 1 when we NEEDED to score a TD to win the game. To make matters worse it was a stupid play design (a bunch formation with a pick, or even a bubble screen would have been a much better choice if they wanted to pass that badly). They had a ton of success running the ball the entire drive and then failed to take advantage of one lousy yard to score the TD

8--The offensive line was once again, very suspect. We allowed a couple/few important sacks, and a ton of pressure up the middle. This has been an ongoing problem for quite some time, and may be one of our biggest problems

9--We had a couple/few very "non-Patriot like" unsportsmanlike penalty calls on Mankins and Talib, two of our best players and leaders. Both of these penalties either cost us points or allowed CAR to continue their scoring drive. There are many teams who we'd see this from, but NE is not one of them. That is not acceptable on any level either

10--There were 2 very bad snaps by Danny Aiken, both saved by Ryan Allen--although the second hold by Allen wasn't too hot. Mistakes like this cannot be made moving forward, especially when it's the only job these guys have to work on all week

11--We have now lost 2 of our last 3 games coming off the bye week. It's not my team and not my call, but I will admit that I wasn't crazy about the idea of 6 straight days off. That pretty much took up an entire week, so it was really like any other week in terms of game planning. I assume that Belichick made this decision due to the injury/health situation, but there was a time when we may have put better use to the opportunity to utilize important time to prepare for two very hard games in a row

12--Once again, we experienced very key injuries. It seems like glue is holding this team together, and one just has to wonder how far they can possibly get with injuries so severe and important. We are now down to only 5/11 starters from the week one defense

13--We got absolutely no pressure on Newton whatsoever, and this too has been a trend that is unacceptable. When you allow the QB all day to make his decisions, it isn't often going to be a good result

 

[ausbacker]

because, like I said, that still image was taken a good 1-2 seconds after the defensive hold occurred.

mccourty grabbed, twisted, mugged olsen, then let go just before the ball sailed over olsen's head.

I don't know how much clearer it could have been.

No, it wasn't. You're being a **** stirrer. McCourty and Olsen were tangled, McCourty disengaged and Olsen continued to hold. That sir, is what really happened.

The Panthers were the beneficiaries of several exceptionally poor decisions. Your team won and congrats but don't pretend that the things that occurred did not occur.

All that said, Carolina played an excellent game and the Patriots shot themselves in the foot with Ridley's fumble, several key drops and a D that went full ****** on 3rd down.

 

[supafly]

No, it wasn't. You're being a **** stirrer. McCourty and Olsen were tangled, McCourty disengaged and Olsen continued to hold. That sir, is what really happened.

The Panthers were the beneficiaries of several exceptionally poor decisions. Your team won and congrats but don't pretend that the things that occurred did not occur.

I think it could have gone either way, but I think that Olsen did a great job of thinking like a veteran and throwing his hands up a bit to draw the attention. It may have been somewhat dirty, but it was a veteran move.

If it indeed was a DPI penalty it was very ticky-tack, and the inconsistency of the refs in key situations like that really pisses me off. We didn't get either one of those 2 key calls on both teams' last offensive drives. That is very unlucky, and we definitely should've gotten at least one of the calls, if not both.

That said, we played poorly enough to lose and they played decently enough to win. It just sucks that calls that are on the fence like that don't seem to go our way too often. What is worse is that the general ignorant NFL fan somehow thinks it is the other way around, and that Brady and co. get "all the calls" every week.

 

[BritPat]

Our defense is in tatters, some of you should cut the guys a break.

As for the nonsense at the end, well, that's the second one this year. You have to think that what goes around comes around and things will hopefully even themselves up. Starting with next week.

 

[ausbacker]

I think it could have gone either way, but I think that Olsen did a great job of thinking like a veteran and throwing his hands up a bit to draw the attention. It may have been somewhat dirty, but it was a veteran move.

If it indeed was a DPI penalty it was very ticky-tack, and the inconsistency of the refs in key situations like that really pisses me off. We didn't get either one of those 2 key calls on both teams' last offensive drives. That is very unlucky, and we definitely should've gotten at least one of the calls, if not both.

That said, we played poorly enough to lose and they played decently enough to win. It just sucks that calls that are on the fence like that don't seem to go our way too often. What is worse is that the general ignorant NFL fan somehow thinks it is the other way around, and that Brady and co. get "all the calls" every week.

The McCourty penalty was just horrible supa. It's an even worse call when you see it replayed time and time again then see Gronk abused in the end zone and the ball deemed "uncatchable". If that's the case, how in the hell is Olsen going to catch that football whilst he's got McCourty in an arm bar? Frankly, I've had it with Goodell and his officials. It's now a joke and is ruining the game for everyone.

 

[Charlotte Pats Fan]

lol @you thinking this was our super bowl. Like your team is that important. You have to prove yourself just like the other 31 teams.

there's that bloated sense of entitlement again.

Keep crying.

Were you sitting in front of me at the game? Section I was in had a bunch of really drunk Panther fans who couldnt see the game either.

 

[TomPatriot]

lol @you thinking this was our super bowl.

Keep crying.

We didn't think it was your Super Bowl, your QB did.

 

[Big-T]

The ball is in the air, Gronk is headed back towards the LOS and Kuechly then INTERFERES in his route, stopping him from completing the comeback towards the ball.

The BS excuse by Anderson of "the ball was underthrown so not PI" is one of the worst excuses I've heard, how many called DPI in the last 5 years have come from a receiver just running into a DB on an underthrown ball?

 

[borg]

Refs call holding on DBs even if the ball is thrown 35 yds to the other side of the field. The refs treated this play as if it was a tipped pass and any thing goes then. The" uncatchable" reference that refs use in similar calls should not apply here because the ball was in line with Gronk on a catchable level.

 

[DarrylS]

Here are 13 much better reasons why we were even in that position to begin with, and did not deserve to win the game:

1--We only stopped TWO Carolina drives the entire game. They scored on us at will with 3 TD's and 1 FG. The other two drives were punts, but when you only force a team to punt two times, you aren't going to have much of a chance to win

OTOH Carolina caused the Patriots to punt 1 time... aside from the Ridley fumble all of our drives were successful as well.

Each team only had the ball six times each... TOP was about equal.

Two things stood out, health/depth of secondary(which I thought played ok considering) and the Ridley fumble..

 

[mrscruff]

To preface, I am OK with the loss considering how depleted the Patriots Defence is and how close they were to winning this game despite the missteps at various stages of the game.
I am buoyed by the fact that the Patriots Offense found ways to drive up and down against a legit Panthers D and mostly failed to capitalize due to their own shortcomings.

But back to the topic, McCourty needs to learn proper technique and form (re: Luke Keuchly) when trying to jam TEs. Once you have the TE blocked, just don't let go and extend your arms outwards, instead clasp him to your chest and don't let go.

 

[TomPatriot]

The Jets get a call that doesn't affect the out come of the game, a call that is never made. Never. Not even against the Jets in the same game.

Two weeks later, the Patriots don't get a call that is always made, that even a former NFL official thinks is PI, on a play that could affect the outcome of the game.

 

[stcjones]

you missed the part where mccourty grabbed and twisted olsen before the ball was thrown. Kuechly didn't modify Gronk's route.

9/10 times I think that kuechly play is a PI though.

Dude...you are either high on crack or don't know the rules. First how do YOU KNOW what Gronks "intended route" was? He NEVER got a chance to complete it.....second...Do you see Kuechly bear hugging him in the EZ while the ball is in mid air? YOU CAN NOT DO THAT as a defender!!! There is to be no contact after 5 yards for starters...but downright NOT even looking for the ball and tackling the receiver while the ball is in the air...is TEXTBOOK PASS INTERFERENCE, or HOLDING, or take your pick of other penalties here. Your team got away with one tonight....but look at the picture again and tell me you don't see a penalty there

 

[stcjones]

We didn't think it was your Super Bowl, your QB did.

Was his quarterback the one with the tiara, ballroom gown, and glass slippers batting his fake eye lashes at the camera's while genuflecting in the endzone there at the end of the game.....friggin media whore drama queen.......

 

[Nunchucks]

Obvious pass interference in obvious, but that is not the reason the Patriots lost the game.

 

[stcjones]

"What he WAS guilty of was faceguarding Gronk without turning his head, and not allowing Gronk a clear path back to the ball, while placing each arm on either side of him.

So defensive holding is not the right call. It's defensive PI or nothing at all."


So in the top sentence you are ADMITTING that Kuechly was HOLDING, Faceguarding...and INTERFERING with Gronkowski......You are right....He BEAR HUGGED him.....and he was GUILTY.....Then in the next breath....you say "So DEFENSIVE HOLDING was NOT the call.....ummm WHAT???.....

I think as much as a homer as you are of your team....you realize that that WAS A PENALTY .....Actually 3 penalties on Luke Kuechly and you guys got away with one last night.....

kuechly did not use his hands on gronk, did not push or pull, or turn the receiver. This is what I mean by "modifying" the route. "modifying" the route would result in a defensive holding.

What he WAS guilty of was faceguarding Gronk without turning his head, and not allowing Gronk a clear path back to the ball, while placing each arm on either side of him.

So defensive holding is not the right call. It's defensive PI or nothing at all.

The officials chose no call, which I don't really agree with. It should've been a PI.

 

[oldskool138]

"I don't want their fans thinking that we're a bunch of whiners."

Yeah, Carolina and their dozens of fans. (Most people in the area are 'Skins fans)

 

[RayClay]

Kuechly didn't modify Gronk's route.

Gronkowski tried to plant his right foot and come back for the ball. Not modified? The refs have decided, absent the cavity search, that one of the biggest, most athletic players in the league had no chance to catch that? He makes highlight film catches every day.

Your guys played a good game, but the refs need to let the players decide games, not their imiagination of what might have happened.