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Huh?!? You do realize that the pols in Boston screwed over the Krafts and Patriots long before they screwed over Henry, Lucchino, and the Red Sox? Kraft tried to build his own version of Camden Yards in South Boston before Henry even bought the Red Sox and the residents and politicians blocked him. He ended up having to build a stadium with his own money in Foxboro instead.

Henry knew he was unlikely to get his own version of Camden Yards even before he bought the Red Sox. He knew there was no way he would be able to build a park in South Boston. I really can't feel bad for him on this. He also probably could have found another site, but decided that Fenway is a better location than the alternatives.


My comments are aimed at the paranoid Patriot fans who think the sun rises and sets on Bob Kraft and how Kraft is the only one ever toyed with or screwed by the pols around here. It's simply not true and the Sox are just one such example.
 
My comments are aimed at the paranoid Patriot fans who think the sun rises and sets on Bob Kraft and how Kraft is the only one ever toyed with or screwed by the pols around here. It's simply not true and the Sox are just one such example.

Several things:
  • I never said that the sun rises and sets with the Patriots nor did I say the Pats are the only ones who are screwed over by the Pols. The Red Sox get their fair share of criticism from the press and road blocks from the politicians.
  • Every team in Boston has been screwed over by the Pols when it came to building new stadiums/parks/arenas. If I remember correctly, the pols gave the Celts and Bruins a hard time on things they tried to do when they built the new Garden. Neither the Pats nor Red Sox are immune to the Old Boy politics of Boston.
  • I think the concern with the OP and some people in this thread is that the Red Sox are trying to control Boston media by buying as many properties as possible and Patriots coverage will suffer because of it. Even if the Red Sox don't hate the Pats, their agenda is clear that they want to have as much coverage of their team as possible even if it at the expense of the Pats and other Boston sports team. All you have to do is look at WEEI vs. 98.5 and NESN vs. CSNE to see there is at least a disparity in how much Red Sox coverage vs. other teams in their broadcasts. WEEI has become more balanced because they had to, but they still are more Red Sox heavy.
 
Sounds like the Celtics-Bruins relationship back in the 60's. The newspaper angle is like a hedge fund, rolling the dice.
 
I think the concern with the OP and some people in this thread is that the Red Sox are trying to control Boston media by buying as many properties as possible and Patriots coverage will suffer because of it. Even if the Red Sox don't hate the Pats, their agenda is clear that they want to have as much coverage of their team as possible even if it at the expense of the Pats and other Boston sports team. All you have to do is look at WEEI vs. 98.5 and NESN vs. CSNE to see there is at least a disparity in how much Red Sox coverage vs. other teams in their broadcasts. WEEI has become more balanced because they had to, but they still are more Red Sox heavy.
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According to reports, Kraft could have bought the paper and looked into it. He chose not to. So, anyone griping about the Red Sox doing it when the Patriots could have really has no leg to stand on.
 
The feeling goes both ways. In fact TomE Curran says the Patriots obsess over the % of media coverage Patriots vs Sox.
Oh and by the way the city of Boston also screwed us fans out of any opportunity to get a new Fenway Park. Sox ownership had every intention/desire to build a new ballpark in the city and had/has the right guy in place to do it in Larry Lucchino. Can you imagine a Camden Yards in Boston?? Oh my god it would be baseball heaven. Sadly we can only dream....Sox ownership found out pretty quickly that the pols were not going to play ball vis-à-vis city land, infrastructure, etc. Hence the refurbish of 100 yr old Fenway.
From where I sit the Patriots have pretty much gotten a free media ride in this town for well over a decade. Borgie the Plagiarist will take his shots but overall this organization has been treated like sports royalty around here by the media.

Try to know the facts before you post. As I said in the 1st post Kraft first tried to build a stadium in Boston. His plan preceded the Luccino plan.

Kraft's was opposed because the 8-10 games would be too much traffic fro the neighborhood. Not one objection about traffic when the Sox with 10x more games proposed their stadium.

Kraft proposed spending his own $ to build a stadium. The Sox wanted serious 9 figures from the taxpayers to subsidize their stadium. Ultimately that's why it failed.

You must have missed the "Patriots free ride" Spygate and ex # 81 stories as well as the "Oh, the horror!" whining about 8 Patriot games destroying the neighborhood stories. Also the Globe had many articles pimping for the new Sox stadium before reality intruded.
 
According to reports, Kraft could have bought the paper and looked into it. He chose not to. So, anyone griping about the Red Sox doing it when the Patriots could have really has no leg to stand on.

Kraft chose not to invest in a dying industry so he could get media attention for his team. Why would Kraft even want to invest in a company that is in an industry that seems to be heading the way of the dinosaur that in 20 years time went from a value of $1.1 billion to $70 million.

And why would the Pats not wanting to buy a failing company to have control of what they say about them mean I and others have no leg to stand on? Because Kraft isn't into making poor business decisions because of he is concerned about what they say about their team?

And at least Kraft buying the Globe could have made some business sense in that he might have found a way to get his paper company more revenue.
 
Henry can add another cash black hole to his portfolio after Liverpool.

good for him.

I'm still a Pats and Red Sox fan though.

That doesn't have to be mutually exclusive.
yes im with you. I hate henry and the redsox ownership but I separate them from the team itself. owners like players come and go. the redsox are bostons no matter who owns the team.
 
PS...who gets their football news from a newspaper. And Boston.com.......I have both Boston.com and ESPN in my no fly zone unless absolutely necessary.
I start with Reiss....then hit PatsFans message board in case Reiss missed something. Our guys do a nice job filtering the Pats news. Then, maybe a click on Florio for some gossipy trash. I do indulge in a Boston Herald.com glance every once in while because it reminds me of my days grabbing the afternoon NY Post for my subway ride uptown.
yes this:rocker:
 
Shank is too ugly for a permanent TV gig....so I bet he becomes another media icon transformed into Sox shill.....Say hello Mr. Gammons
Dr. Creepy may reassign Shank to the Patriots parking lot so he can tail the players back to their off grid crash pads

HE is a regular on 98.5... and has a regular spot there during the midday show..

The intertwinement between media and sports is getting confusing.. i.e. WEEI hosts the Red Sox, but the biggest detractor of the Globe is WEEI's Gerry Callahan.. can Henry et al leverage that hate???

Will Shaughnessy face any blowback for being on 98.5??? Competing with the Red Sox Flagship...
 
One owner is referred to as Mr. Kraft
The other is called Dr. Creepy
$70 million should take care of that....not

PS...who gets their football news from a newspaper. And Boston.com.......I have both Boston.com and ESPN in my no fly zone unless absolutely necessary.
I start with Reiss....then hit PatsFans message board in case Reiss missed something. Our guys do a nice job filtering the Pats news. Then, maybe a click on Florio for some gossipy trash. I do indulge in a Boston Herald.com glance every once in while because it reminds me of my days grabbing the afternoon NY Post for my subway ride uptown.

I agree that since Bedard left, there isn't much of a reason to buy the Globe for Patriots info. In fact, I rarely even go to Boston.com or Bostonherald.com for info on them.
 
Kraft chose not to invest in a dying industry so he could get media attention for his team. Why would Kraft even want to invest in a company that is in an industry that seems to be heading the way of the dinosaur that in 20 years time went from a value of $1.1 billion to $70 million.

And why would the Pats not wanting to buy a failing company to have control of what they say about them mean I and others have no leg to stand on? Because Kraft isn't into making poor business decisions because of he is concerned about what they say about their team?

And at least Kraft buying the Globe could have made some business sense in that he might have found a way to get his paper company more revenue.

You're a fool if you think John Henry is buying the Globe for Sox PR purposes.
A fool!!!
Do yourself a favor and stop believing Spawts tawk radio is an exercise in intellectual/informed expression.
It's uninformed oral flatulence ...that's all it is .....and it's the hosts I'm talking about.
Learn to think for yourselves sports fans.
 
John Henry is an effete, doddering snob. His Bankofamericasox are desperate to protect their inbred little fiefdom as MLB continues to erode around the edges into anachronism and scandal. Once the "national pastime," baseball long ago became "national nap-time," losing ground to lawn darts, croquet and backgammon as leisure pursuits.
 
You're a fool if you think John Henry is buying the Globe for Sox PR purposes.
A fool!!!
Do yourself a favor and stop believing Spawts tawk radio is an exercise in intellectual/informed expression.
It's uninformed oral flatulance ...that's all it is .....and it's the hosts I'm talking about. Learn to think for yourselves sports fans.

I don't think he is doing it solely for that. Obviously, you don't make a $70 million investment for that. But if you don't think it is high on his reasoning, then you are the one who is a fool. He obviously thinks he make money with this investment (clearly his number 1 reason to buy the Globe) or he wouldn't do it. But I think part of the way he thinks he can make money is by using the Globe as a tool to increase the value of the Red Sox like he does with NESN.

Personally, I think just like Liverpool, this is another bad investment for Henry. He has made a lot of great investments over his career, but I don't think this is one of them.

And if you think I am just a parrot and just regurgitate ideas I hear on the radio, you haven't been reading my posts for very long.

I understand business and I see what Henry is doing. It is all about vertical integration. The Globe will promote the Red Sox to increase their revenue even at the expense of other teams. Even if the Globe losses subscriptions because of it, as long it increases revenues for the Sox and more than offsets the losses for the Globe, he will be happy. If not, then he will change strategy.
 
John Henry is an effete, doddering snob. His Bankofamericasox are desperate to protect their inbred little fiefdom as MLB continues to erode around the edges into anachronism and scandal. Once the "national pastime," baseball long ago became "national nap-time," losing ground to lawn darts, croquet and backgammon as leisure pursuits.

Years ago, my kids went to the same preschool in S. Florida as Henry's did. Every morning, his kid's body guard would sweep through the school doing a security check before the doors opened. Then the guy would be stationed outside all day. Who knew the Marlin's owner was such a target. The kids of the other billionaires at this school didn't share his security concerns. Guess they weren't as self important.
 
You're a fool if you think John Henry is buying the Globe for Sox PR purposes.
A fool!!!
Do yourself a favor and stop believing Spawts tawk radio is an exercise in intellectual/informed expression.
It's uninformed oral flatulence ...that's all it is .....and it's the hosts I'm talking about.
Learn to think for yourselves sports fans.

Right because a rapidly depreciating old media asset with shrinking readership is so financially valuable. That aside, the land where the paper is HQed may be worth most of the $70M. I don't think it's a bad investment from his perspective since he owns the Sox. So yes, he didn't just buy it to PR the Sox, but that aspect made the land + paper likely worth it for him. Once again, I'm glad Kraft did not buy this distraction.
 
The feeling goes both ways. In fact TomE Curran says the Patriots obsess over the % of media coverage Patriots vs Sox.

Since when is "Tom E. Curran" a respected source for ANYTHING, aside from stooping to stir the pot for attention?

Oh and by the way the city of Boston also screwed us fans out of any opportunity to get a new Fenway Park.

The Patriots were going to play in a new Fenway Park?

Sox ownership had every intention/desire to build a new ballpark in the city and had/has the right guy in place to do it in Larry Lucchino.
There's a guy INSIDE Larry Lucchino? How is this possible? Who is this person?


Can you imagine a Camden Yards in Boston?? Oh my god it would be baseball heaven.
There is no "baseball heaven." Only baseball purgatory, and hell.

Sadly we can only dream.

Your odd imagination appears to be conjuring nightmares.

Sox ownership found out pretty quickly that the pols were not going to play ball vis-à-vis city land, infrastructure, etc. Hence the refurbish of 100 yr old Fenway.
The sooner that rickety relic implodes into a sinkhole and takes everyone with it, the better for all of mankind.

From where I sit the Patriots have pretty much gotten a free media ride in this town for well over a decade. Borgie the Plagiarist will take his shots but overall this organization has been treated like sports royalty around here by the media.
I wish we had a puke emoticon. This is the most ill-informed opinion I've seen here in weeks ... No, months!
 
Well, **** the Red Sox. I used to hate baseball, but now the main thing keeping me from getting into it is I would have to be a fan of either the Red Sox or Yankees (I'm pretty much equidistant from both cities). I hate the way both organizations are run and they have terrible, entitled fans.
 
Kraft chose not to invest in a dying industry so he could get media attention for his team. Why would Kraft even want to invest in a company that is in an industry that seems to be heading the way of the dinosaur that in 20 years time went from a value of $1.1 billion to $70 million.

And why would the Pats not wanting to buy a failing company to have control of what they say about them mean I and others have no leg to stand on? Because Kraft isn't into making poor business decisions because of he is concerned about what they say about their team?

And at least Kraft buying the Globe could have made some business sense in that he might have found a way to get his paper company more revenue.

I don't give a rat's ass who bought the Globe. I just find it pathetic that people are bashing Henry for doing it when Kraft looked into doing it, as well. Kraft chose not to try buying it. Henry chose to buy it. That should be the end of the story.
 
I don't hate the Red Sox, I just don't care about them. I'd rather watch a golf tournament than a baseball game on TV. Certainly would rather watch a pre-season or college football game than a baseball game.

I grew up playing baseball and, until about 14 it was my favorite game. Then I started playing football and found there was much more to playing football than baseball. I played both through high school and there was more relaxed attitude on the baseball team even though it was a State Championship team. You had to bring the intensity and focus to football practice and games.

People use to use the name "dumb football players". There is much more to think about playing football than baseball.

I look at the people at Fenway watching baseball and what I see is a picnic atmosphere. Football fans are much more intense and into the game than baseball fans, much more.

I don't care if Henry buys the Globe or not. It can't get anymore tilted to baseball anyways. Same with WEEI. If they reduce the football coverage that they have now, then that will be a problem.
 
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I don't give a rat's ass who bought the Globe. I just find it pathetic that people are bashing Henry for doing it when Kraft looked into doing it, as well. Kraft chose not to try buying it. Henry chose to buy it. That should be the end of the story.

Kraft admitted that he looked into investing with Bernie Madoff. Does that mean we cannot bash idiots who invested so much without doing homework like Kraft did. Kraft looks at a lot deals he never even get close making an offer. The Times got six bids and not one of them was by Kraft. Even the article unless I missed it, only says Henry didn't want the Pats to buy the Globe.
 
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