T.J. Moe thread

[Triumph]

No one knows anything. We speculate and analyze. If you wish to believe that Belichick would have Brady throwing to three rookies, you are certaiinly free to have that opinion.

We dont know. Belichick doesnt even know until training camp gets in gear and he sees what hes working with.

Im not giving any draft pick or FA a 100% chance he makes the team or a 0% chance he makes roster after all the WRs that have been through the Pats roster over the years.

The only facts we know today are that Edelman has a leg up because hes familiar with Brady and the NE offense, can play multiple positions and is effective as a punt returner.

 

[NEPettyOfficer72]

I told my Chief the other day that we picked up TJ Moe, because he was a huge fan of his in college.. and he was like " Are you serious, so you have Dobson, Boyce and Moe too? wow, that's unfair.. he gets to play with the best QB in the league, that kid was my super Wes on the Gridiron" I love this pick up, I really think he will make the team.

 

[mgteich]

We can say that all rookies are equal and have 0% to 100% chance to make the team based on production. It just doesn't work that way. High draft choices are not cut no matter how bad they look in their first camp. And why have to be really awful to be cut in their second camp. O'Connell demonstrated that. Perhaps Bequette will test that principle. IMHO, there is
a 100% that Dobson and Boyce make the team.

Moe could also make the team, but as an UDFA he has to prove more. Moe is competing with Jones and Jenkins for a roster spot. We've had several UDFA WR's look great in camp and the preseason and then not make the team; Childress comes to mind, but there were others.

I wish Moe good fortune. He may indeed beat out Jones and Jenkins. Even then, this might not be enough to win a roster spot. And they don't start even. Jones and Jenkins have some NFL experience. That does count for something.

We dont know. Belichick doesnt even know until training camp gets in gear and he sees what hes working with.

Im not giving any draft pick or FA a 100% chance he makes the team or a 0% chance he makes roster after all the WRs that have been through the Pats roster over the years.

The only facts we know today are that Edelman has a leg up because hes familiar with Brady and the NE offense, can play multiple positions and is effective as a punt returner.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

I wish Moe good fortune. He may indeed beat out Jones and Jenkins. Even then, this might not be enough to win a roster spot. And they don't start even. Jones and Jenkins have some NFL experience. That does count for something.

The only thing that matters at this point is who functions best in this offense, this season. After all, they signed Jones to a three-year deal with $0 guaranteed money.

 

[Triumph]

We can say that all rookies are equal and have 0% to 100% chance to make the team based on production. It just doesn't work that way. High draft choices are not cut no matter how bad they look in their first camp. And why have to be really awful to be cut in their second camp. O'Connell demonstrated that. Perhaps Bequette will test that principle. IMHO, there is
a 100% that Dobson and Boyce make the team.

Moe could also make the team, but as an UDFA he has to prove more. Moe is competing with Jones and Jenkins for a roster spot. We've had several UDFA WR's look great in camp and the preseason and then not make the team; Childress comes to mind, but there were others.

I wish Moe good fortune. He may indeed beat out Jones and Jenkins. Even then, this might not be enough to win a roster spot. And they don't start even. Jones and Jenkins have some NFL experience. That does count for something.

For their cost Molasses Mike and Jones could be nothing but camp fodder.

Its ridiculous at this juncture to pencil in roster spots for Jones and Jenkins. If a younger WR outshines them in training camp and preseason it doesnt make sense to keep Jones and Jenkins just because they have experience when the NE needs to get younger at WR 3 years ago.

Dobson or Boyce could be hurt in training camp and be out so that they are put on IR. Its happened before.

Moe could show enough that he is Almendaolas backup in the slot and Edelman plays outside. If any WR is moved outside it would be Edelman with his experience.

The bottom line is that nobody knows until training camp and preseason how this WR corps will play out.

 

[mgteich]

No one has penciled in roster spots for anyone but Amendola, Dobson, Bryce and Edelman.
If there is a 5th WR, it could be Jones, Jenkins, Holmes, Moe or a veteran yet to be signed. '
Jones and Jenkins have an advantage. They've played in the nil. We'll see how well they use that advantage.

For their cost Molasses Mike and Jones could be nothing but camp fodder.

Its ridiculous at this juncture to pencil in roster spots for Jones and Jenkins. If a younger WR outshines them in training camp and preseason it doesnt make sense to keep Jones and Jenkins just because they have experience when the NE needs to get younger at WR 3 years ago.

Dobson or Boyce could be hurt in training camp and be out so that they are put on IR. Its happened before.

Moe could show enough that he is Almendaolas backup in the slot and Edelman plays outside. If any WR is moved outside it would be Edelman with his experience.

The bottom line is that nobody knows until training camp and preseason how this WR corps will play out.

 

[PP2]

First time I ever heard of the expression "one million percent."

 

[supafly]

No one has penciled in roster spots for anyone but Amendola, Dobson, Bryce and Edelman.

So basically, "no one" has penciled in WR spots for anyone besides:

1.Amendola
2.Dobson
3.Boyce
4.Edelman
5.Slater

Kind of sounds to me like you've got the whole WR corps penciled in!

This is also why I do not agree with your opinion that Edelman is a 100% lock. I think we can all agree that we currently have 4/6 WRs set barring injury (Amendola, Dobson, Boyce, Slater). Those 4 players are locks based on the resources that the team has used to acquire them, along with Slater's position as the usual 6th WR who only sees special teams.

To me, that leaves 2 WR positions open with Edelman, Jones, Jenkins, Moe, Holmes, and potentially an additional vet all battling it out for the final 2 spots.

 

[supafly]

The only thing that matters at this point is who functions best in this offense, this season. After all, they signed Jones to a three-year deal with $0 guaranteed money.

That's what I'm seeing also.

We had pretty much a complete overhaul at the position of WR this year. That said, there are 4 players at the position who are locks to make it when you count Slater. Amendola, Dobson, and Boyce are the others based on the amount of resources spent obtaining them. It's safe to say that we currently have 4 WRs/out of a probable 6 at the position.

The others will battle on equal ground. No one has a leg up due to perceived contractal value, draft status, or reputation. Being a UDFA probably makes no difference whatsoever if one can prove to win the job on the field with knowledge and talent. I'm guessing that was done by design.

 

[ausbacker]

That's what I'm seeing also.

We had pretty much a complete overhaul at the position of WR this year. That said, there are 4 players at the position who are locks to make it when you count Slater. Amendola, Dobson, and Boyce are the others based on the amount of resources spent obtaining them. It's safe to say that we currently have 4 WRs/out of a probable 6 at the position.

The others will battle on equal ground. No one has a leg up due to perceived contractal value, draft status, or reputation. Being a UDFA probably makes no difference whatsoever if one can prove to win the job on the field with knowledge and talent. I'm guessing that was done by design.

We are in agreement. Time and time again Belichick has shown that if you come into the Patriots fold and perform during the offseason, irrespective of the manner in which you were acquired, he'll keep you around. As "frustrating" as BB can be with the so called draft day reaches, he's ridiculous at unearthing late round and UDFA talent.

If you do your job and improve the roster, you stick.

 

[supafly]

As "frustrating" as BB can be with the so called draft day reaches, he's ridiculous at unearthing late round and UDFA talent.

If you do your job and improve the roster, you stick.

Definitely a strong point, and something to keep in mind when attempting to assess his draft day success.

Late round picks/UDFA's have a habit of reaching success in terms of making the 53 man roster around here. I'd have to imagine the same will hold true this season and that we'll likely see 1-2 players (potentially a handful) stick.

 

[DocHoliday]

All this Moe love is getting kinda excessive

 

[Triumph]

All this Moe love is getting kinda excessive

 

[Nunchucks]

Slater is not a lock to make the team

 

[primetime]

TJ Moe wasn't even very good in college, the Patriots signed the best Mizzou player besides Sheldon Richardson in Elvis Fisher but you guys just want to talk about some white wide receiver who will be gone in the first round of cuts. Shocking.

 

[Clonamery]

TJ Moe wasn't even very good in college, the Patriots signed the best Mizzou player besides Sheldon Richardson in Elvis Fisher but you guys just want to talk about some white wide receiver who will be gone in the first round of cuts. Shocking.

Instead of saying"white" you could have said "short" and not sounded so raci....er, shocking.

 

[MTM558]

Slater is not a lock to make the team

Yes he is. He is a team captain, and a pro bowl special teams ace.

 

[Nunchucks]

Yes he is. He is a team captain, and a pro bowl special teams ace.

Belichick will absolutely cut a ST player if he can find a position player that also plays ST at a high level.

 

[eagle eye]

The way I see it is a 4 way battle for two spots between Jones, Edelman, Moe and Thompkins.

I like Moe and he is very like Edelman in that he has very good hands and can also return punts but he is also a very good blocker too. If learns the playbook quickly and can do it in TC then I think he gets a spot because he doesn't have an injury record.

I think Boyce will make it unless he has a really bad camp given he was a fourth round pick.

I don't think Jenkins or Holmes will make it now that they have Dobson.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Belichick will absolutely cut a ST player if he can find a position player that also plays ST at a high level.

Is that generally true? Yes.

But you're not talking about cutting an "ST player." You're talking about cutting a two-time Pro Bowler and team captain. And given that the cap savings from cutting him are only about $500K, the odds any player's going to offer enough to justify BB cutting Slater is very, very low.