Felger and Mazz can't come to grips with what the pats did

[Tunescribe]

only person on that show i like to listen to is beetle..and then when wiggy is on which i think it tuesdays?

Wiggins doesn't belong in broadcast media. There are MANY ex-Patriots in the area who would do much better. Felger brings him on because Jermaine has a goofy street-level persona they enjoy poking fun at.

I agree with others here that Felger would've taken a negative slant no matter what the Pats did, just to agitate people into calling and debating. His manipulative ways are painfully transparent.

 

[belichick010405]

I have had more than my fair share of run-ins with Felger (in person). He is the epitome of what I was witnessing in the Boston media during the late 80s and early 90s of how tried and true Boston sports journalists were being ignored for the class of sports journalists who utilize shock jock techniques like Michael Felger.

When Felger use to get guest spots on CBS because he was doinking Sarah Underwood (please go ahead and insert your own private joke about Sarah and her name), the television media knew that they were going to get ratings from Felger because of his (insert) big mouth.

Anyway - Felger, who graduated in '91, was being promoted by the guys that ran the Herald of which in less than 5 years was getting radio gigs because he merely had a big mouth as well as getting on with Lobel.

With that said - if you really want Felger gone from the radio, then you have to stop listening to him and that has to be across the entire spectrum.

The good 'ol days of really good Boston sports radio is dying. I would like to think that Felger is going to be a fad because all he really has is a schitck to give people a rise because he is an ass.

 

[PATS68]

I can't stand Mazz. He brings nothing to the table when it comes to football. He hates the Pats and he is constantly bashing the team. He has been on this rant about them trading down, but if he knew anything about football history then he would know that trading down for extra picks is what Bill Walsh did and so didn't Jimmy Johnson. BB is using the same method as those two and history has proven that the method works.

 

[DarrylS]

Felger and Mazz commenting on Football has nothing to do with football.. their concern is creating controversy and conflict to increase their ratings, just like Borges in days past.

They have assumed the role of resident contrarians.. and unfortunately the only way to negate their oppositional behavior is to tune them out, however as train wrecks are very appealing it will never happen..

Success is measured by Facebook and Twitter Followers..

 

[AzorianPats]

Ehhh I know it gets annoying sometimes, but I get their schtick. I've been following felger for years. He's a cheese head at heart, but he really is also a Pats honk. Who remembers the little hissy fit arguments he had with Borges on sports final? I'm just glad they talk about football the way they do in the off season, cuz the other station didn't do that.

 

[convertedpatsfan]

Honestly, I don't know why you guys keep listening to them. Love them or hate them, they don't care, so long as you tune in.

If you really want to be rid of them, just don't listen. It's that simple.

 

[BSR]

But because Ozzie Newsome didn't trade out it must have been a bad move. Which was because the guy that was probably the best safety on their board when their selection came up wouldn't have been there in the 2nd because the Jags would have more than likely taken him.

Like it was brought up in the other thread on how a member called up and said how Ozzie traded 2 of the last 3 years. Yet that didn't fit their motive so they spun it.

When did Ozzie Newsome become infallible? The guy is a great personnel guy and GM but he has his share of stinkers. I remember when Felger would compare Bill to Polian because he had one or two great drafts. Then Polian had a string of bad draft and then it moved to the Jets until they stunk and now its the Ravens.

 

[Rob0729]

I don't hate Felger and Mazz like most in this thread, but their discussion yesterday was ridiculous.

Mazz is just an idiot. Collins could turn into Demarcus Ware, Dobson turn into Randy Moss, and Ryan turns into Revis and he will still say it is a bad draft because the Pats traded down. Mazz had no other argument than trading down is dumb.

Felger was being a hypocrite about the whole that Pats trading down for value argument. He countered the argument by the professor that trading down for value is right by things like "Does that mean Ozzie Newsome is an idiot?". Felger was the one when the Jets were briefly competing with the Pats for the division who argued that "The Patriots way of doing things isn't the only right way". It is the same with the draft. There is no one right way to draft successfully.

I generally think Felger and Mazz are the superior show to what WEEI has been putting up against it since they started, but it is when they start talking about one of their continuing themes (in this case their hatred of trading down for value) is when the show becomes unlistenable. When they hit these themes, they beat the drum to long and too loudly that they quell any intelligent discussion on the subject.

That said, that is why they are successful broadcasters. If they can get their audience riled up, it equals ratings. Ordway used to try that by getting idiots likes Dakota from Braintree, Steve from Fall River, etc. on the show to get people riled up. Felger and Mazz do it themselves.

 

[Rob0729]

When did Ozzie Newsome become infallible? The guy is a great personnel guy and GM but he has his share of stinkers. I remember when Felger would compare Bill to Polian because he had one or two great drafts. Then Polian had a string of bad draft and then it moved to the Jets until they stunk and now its the Ravens.

Yeah, Newsome seems to be this brilliant drafter. In fact, his reputation seems to passed onto his draft picks. For example, Torrey Smith is an average starter at best. He has shown some flashes of domination, but he is mostly a wildly inconsistent WR who can disappear for games. For some reason, people mention him among some of the elite WRs. When the Ravens lost all their defenders, people pointed to Courtney Upshaw as a reason they will be fine even though he had a disappointing rookie season and hasn't shown he could be a starter never mind replace Kruger's production (this was before Dumervil).

 

[BSR]

Yeah, Newsome seems to be this brilliant drafter. In fact, his reputation seems to passed onto his draft picks. For example, Torrey Smith is an average starter at best. He has shown some flashes of domination, but he is mostly a wildly inconsistent WR who can disappear for games. For some reason, people mention him among some of the elite WRs. When the Ravens lost all their defenders, people pointed to Courtney Upshaw as a reason they will be fine even though he had a disappointing rookie season and hasn't shown he could be a starter never mind replace Kruger's production (this was before Dumervil).

I think the lesson is that it is impossible to draft consistently well over a long period of time. I do think that Newsome and Belichick have earned their reputations but I think where people make a mistake is thinking that makes the draft process much more of a sure thing then it is.

 

[Huckleberry1]

People need to realize that Felger is just a pure contrarian and Mazzarotti is just a little b.tch. Felger is going to take the opposite position of anything the Patriots do, and had they taken Coradelle Patterson he would have shrieked that is Chad jackson all over again and that the one year where the Patriots should have traded down they stay with the pick and use it on a questionable prospect.

Mazzarotti is B2M personified, he is going to piss and moan any time they make a move that isn't for the bright new shiney object. He doesn't know anything about football and that's really obvious from his completely superficial take on every topic.

 

[Brady2Moss]

People need to realize that Felger is just a pure contrarian and Mazzarotti is just a little b.tch. Felger is going to take the opposite position of anything the Patriots do, and had they taken Coradelle Patterson he would have shrieked that is Chad jackson all over again and that the one year where the Patriots should have traded down they stay with the pick and use it on a questionable prospect.

Mazzarotti is B2M personified, he is going to piss and moan any time they make a move that isn't for the bright new shiney object. He doesn't know anything about football and that's really obvious from his completely superficial take on every topic.

Good start to the day, randomly call another poster a little ***** out of the blue . Clearly I'm in your head, I'm surprised there is room with all the Welker emotions.

 

[Don_the_patfan]

There have been so many threads here about Felger(village idiot creating controversies) and mazz(baseball reporter) one starts to think they are getting their employees to start posting here so they trend. There's no other explanation that I can think of.

Since when do real pats fans care about the opinion of a show that has nothing to do with football knowledge/insight about the pats? All it is, is entertainment and how to be controversial. Stopped listening a long long time ago.

It's a shame they get free advertising.

 

[Sicilian]

I actually don't mind Felger so much. He's a contrarian and an A-Hole and all that, but he plays that role well and stirs the pot. What I DON'T like is that they paired him up with Mazz, who aside from being a nonredeemable piss-ant, usually just agrees with every "controversial" point he takes. I want a show where there are opposing views, not two guys waiting for callers to make fun of because they don't "get it" like Felger does.

As much of a clown show as it would be, pair Felger up with an insufferable homer and it would at least be an entertaining fire show! Right now it's just two guys patting each other on the back for not being perceived as Patriot shills.

 

[Rob0729]

I think the lesson is that it is impossible to draft consistently well over a long period of time. I do think that Newsome and Belichick have earned their reputations but I think where people make a mistake is thinking that makes the draft process much more of a sure thing then it is.

I agree. No one can bat a .1000. Newsome makes mistakes. He has had great drafts and bad drafts just like Belichick. For some reason though, Newsome seems to have a reputation of hitting it out of the park all the time. Granted when Belichick makes out of left field picks like Harmon, he doesn't get the crap from the national media that other GMs would.

 

[Rob0729]

People need to realize that Felger is just a pure contrarian and Mazzarotti is just a little b.tch. Felger is going to take the opposite position of anything the Patriots do, and had they taken Coradelle Patterson he would have shrieked that is Chad jackson all over again and that the one year where the Patriots should have traded down they stay with the pick and use it on a questionable prospect.

Mazzarotti is B2M personified, he is going to piss and moan any time they make a move that isn't for the bright new shiney object. He doesn't know anything about football and that's really obvious from his completely superficial take on every topic.

This is why it is too bad WEEI didn't decide not to pay Holley. Replace Mazz with Holley and the 98.5 afternoon show would be the best show on either station. What Felger and Mazz is missing is the counterpoint to Felger and Mazz's point.

I think Felger plays the contrarian role well. Mazz is just a weasel.

 

[Rob0729]

I actually don't mind Felger so much. He's a contrarian and an A-Hole and all that, but he plays that role well and stirs the pot. What I DON'T like is that they paired him up with Mazz, who aside from being a nonredeemable piss-ant, usually just agrees with every "controversial" point he takes. I want a show where there are opposing views, not two guys waiting for callers to make fun of because they don't "get it" like Felger does.

As much of a clown show as it would be, pair Felger up with an insufferable homer and it would at least be an entertaining fire show! Right now it's just two guys patting each other on the back for not being perceived as Patriot shills.

I agree. Felger needs someone on the show to counter his contrarianism.

 

[belichick010405]

I don't hate Felger and Mazz like most in this thread, but their discussion yesterday was ridiculous.

Mazz is just an idiot. Collins could turn into Demarcus Ware, Dobson turn into Randy Moss, and Ryan turns into Revis and he will still say it is a bad draft because the Pats traded down. Mazz had no other argument than trading down is dumb.

Felger was being a hypocrite about the whole that Pats trading down for value argument. He countered the argument by the professor that trading down for value is right by things like "Does that mean Ozzie Newsome is an idiot?". Felger was the one when the Jets were briefly competing with the Pats for the division who argued that "The Patriots way of doing things isn't the only right way". It is the same with the draft. There is no one right way to draft successfully.

I generally think Felger and Mazz are the superior show to what WEEI has been putting up against it since they started, but it is when they start talking about one of their continuing themes (in this case their hatred of trading down for value) is when the show becomes unlistenable. When they hit these themes, they beat the drum to long and too loudly that they quell any intelligent discussion on the subject.

That said, that is why they are successful broadcasters. If they can get their audience riled up, it equals ratings. Ordway used to try that by getting idiots likes Dakota from Braintree, Steve from Fall River, etc. on the show to get people riled up. Felger and Mazz do it themselves.

Hi Rob - and in the end, that act that they play on the radio is going to fail.

And when history reviews the top ratings between the Big Show and Felger/Mazz, the Big Show will likely have the better ratings at the height of their success.

It is no different that soap operas on television, even those shows lose their popularity of which only Felger and Mazz are collecting on. Personally, I would rather listen to a personality like Chuck Wilson who has been around since the 70s and was a New England radio host because he has no schitck.

Felger and Mazz don't have and use their knowledge and that is what dictates his shows. A good example of that is when they actually called out Weiss from the Globe regarding the handling of Welker's contract.

 

[Rob0729]

Hi Rob - and in the end, that act that they play on the radio is going to fail.

And when history reviews the top ratings between the Big Show and Felger/Mazz, the Big Show will likely have the better ratings at the height of their success.

It is no different that soap operas on television, even those shows lose their popularity of which only Felger and Mazz are collecting on. Personally, I would rather listen to a personality like Chuck Wilson who has been around since the 70s and was a New England radio host because he has no schitck.

Felger and Mazz don't have and use their knowledge and that is what dictates his shows. A good example of that is when they actually called out Weiss from the Globe regarding the handling of Welker's contract.

You can't compare the two ratings-wise. At the height of the Big Show's success, they were the only game in town. They didn't even have some of the crappy AM stations with poor signals competiting with them.

I don't think Felger and Mazz will fail other than the way Ordway ended up failing. All radio formats get old over time. Ordway's act worked wonderfully in the 90s and last decade, but it got old and tired. A number of years from now, the same thing will happen to Felger and Mazz at some point.

Terrestrial radio is dying. Far more options to listen to these day from satellite radio to podcasts and the options will keep growing. So Felger and Mazz will never see the same success the Big Show did in the 90s.

 

[patfanken]

Mazzarotti is B2M personified, he is going to piss and moan any time they make a move that isn't for the bright new shiney object. He doesn't know anything about football and that's really obvious from his completely superficial take on every topic.

I wasn't going to comment on this thread, because the answers are so obvious. Felger is working schtick, and Mazz doesn't know a thing about football and anything he says should be instantly ignored. I am ashamed he is also a Tufts Alumni.

BUT Ivan's comparison of hm to B2M was just so right on, I had to comment. Perfect Ivan.