#29 filled three spots

[mgteich]

I think that we did fine with our #29 pick.

pass-rusher Collins
corner - Ryan
Wide receiver - Boyce

 

[VJCPatriot]

Don't forget the 7th rounder.

By modern metrics, the Pats won the trade with the Vikings by receiving an extra 97.9% value. The old trade value chart is particularly outdated in a salary capped draft era.

Vikings-Patriots trade a wash ... Or was it? - NFC North Blog - ESPN

 

[TyronePoole]

If you plug in the picks the Vikings and Patriots exchanged, you see that the Vikings gave up substantially more value than they received when viewed by any of these methods. The Harvard Sports Analysis Collective, which Sando wrote about in March, suggests the Patriots received 97.9 percent more value. creator, which uses historic performance of players taken in each draft position, has found that the traditional trade value chart "massively overvalues the earliest picks and significantly undervalues mid-to-late round picks."

Update: Steve Drake, who runs the Sports + Numbers site, estimates the excess value the Patriots received in the trade to be the equivalent of a third-round draft pick.

Given that the Patriots only got chart value, I'd say your post doesn't really apply. You'll claim differently, in all likelihood, but the numbers are what the numbers are.

Why would you have to do that, when we're talking about points value of the trade? The numbers are the numbers. Do you expect the numbers to trade based upon who's taken?

If so, you need to brush up on how the draft trade value chart works.

 

[Brady_to_Moss]

trading down really helped the team out on paper anyways :rocker:

 

[JoeSixPat]

I think that we did fine with our #29 pick.

pass-rusher Collins
corner - Ryan
Wide receiver - Boyce

Let's not put them in Canton yet.

 

[Fencer]

I think of it as Matt Elam (or whoever) plus a later pick that could have been picked up trading down for Boyce vs. Collins and the 2 Rutgers DBs.

But I didn't study the prospects before the draft, and don't have an opinion now as to whether that was a good trade.

 

[BradyFTW!]

You'll always fill more holes by trading down, technically. Now the question becomes whether those holes are actually filled, or whether they passed up the chance to get a guy who will actually get the job done, in favor of getting three who aren't up to the task. If one of those three becomes a long-term starter, it's break even. Any more, and it's a win

 

[Ozymandias]

On paper, this looks like a good haul as of this moment. Now it's up to those prospects to come in and earn their stripes, make the team, have an impact and so forth.

 

[Avenger]

You'll always fill more holes by trading down, technically. Now the question becomes whether those holes are actually filled, or whether they passed up the chance to get a guy who will actually get the job done, in favor of getting three who aren't up to the task. If one of those three becomes a long-term starter, it's break even. Any more, and it's a win

You don't know if the 29th pick fills a hole either, so it's a win even if the only get 1 quality player out of the trade

 

[Palm Beach Pats Fan]

we got players who COULD fill more holes.

They might end up filling no holes, and who we might have taken at 29 might have filled no holes either.

Give it 3 years....

 

[JDot]

I think that we did fine with our #29 pick.

pass-rusher Collins
corner - Ryan
Wide receiver - Boyce

Ya, nice haul for that pick. Who knows if the players work out. But I am pretty happy with that trade..

And Good lawd, was Beli patient with that second round Mini pick.

 

[ausbacker]

Cordarelle Patterson for Jamie Collins, Logan Ryan, Josh Boyce and what effectively became a LeGarrette Blount for Jeff Demps plus that 7th. Both teams should be pleased with that haul but I'm very happy on face value what that trade netted the Patriots.

 

[zoostation]

You'll always fill more holes by trading down, technically. Now the question becomes whether those holes are actually filled, or whether they passed up the chance to get a guy who will actually get the job done, in favor of getting three who aren't up to the task. If one of those three becomes a long-term starter, it's break even. Any more, and it's a win

The way I see it, if 1 becomes a starter it's a win. And that is because you can't say for sure 29 would start

 

[BradyFTW!]

You don't know if the 29th pick fills a hole either, so it's a win even if the only get 1 quality player out of the trade

Based on Belichick's first-round track record, it's a pretty safe bet that you're getting a player who will start for you. Worst case scenario is a Laurence Maroney type, and even he credibly started for several years before injury derailed him. Point being that even Belichick's 'bad' first round picks (Maroney, Meriweather, sorta Watson) are capable NFL starters. Granted, nothing's guaranteed, but I'm pretty confident that Justin Hunter and Tank Carradine, respectively, were safer bets as individuals than Joyce or Collins.

In the process of trading down, the Pats lost opportunities to pick several players at positions of need that are probably better bets to succeed at the NFL level. In exchange, they took a stab at filling multiple positions, and we won't know whether that paid off until we see how many of those attempts are successful.

That's not to say that I hated their selections overall. I'm really hopeful about Dobson, I'm intrigued by Collins without knowing much about him, and I could definitely see Buchanan turning out to be a 7th round steal on par with Dennard- a guy with a lot of talent who dropped for explainable reasons that have little bearing on how he'll do as a pro. A little lukewarm on the Rutgers guys, but hopeful that they can get the job done. CB and S were both positions of need, especially in the intermediate-long term, so if they can be even decent as pros, they'll improve the team.

 

[BradyFTW!]

Cordarelle Patterson for Jamie Collins, Logan Ryan, Josh Boyce and what effectively became a LeGarrette Blount for Jeff Demps plus that 7th. Both teams should be pleased with that haul but I'm very happy on face value what that trade netted the Patriots.

I wouldn't lock in the other side of that trade as Cordarelle Patterson, simply because I don't think the Pats would have drafted him if they'd been forced to use the pick. A better comp would be whoever the Pats would have picked, which is difficult, obviously, because nobody outside of their war room knows who that is.

In any case, it'll definitely be interesting to see how it turns out. I initially didn't like the Blount trade, since I don't really like Blount, but he's a capable NFL player, and we gave up a 7th and a guy who we would have ended up cutting before the season. From that perspective, I'm definitely fine with it. He'll be good TC competition for Bolden, at the very least. Don't see both of them making the final roster. Even if Bolden beats him out, there's value in really making him earn the job.

 

[ausbacker]

I wouldn't lock in the other side of that trade as Cordarelle Patterson, simply because I don't think the Pats would have drafted him if they'd been forced to use the pick. A better comp would be whoever the Pats would have picked, which is difficult, obviously, because nobody outside of their war room knows who that is.

In any case, it'll definitely be interesting to see how it turns out. I initially didn't like the Blount trade, since I don't really like Blount, but he's a capable NFL player, and we gave up a 7th and a guy who we would have ended up cutting before the season. From that perspective, I'm definitely fine with it. He'll be good TC competition for Bolden, at the very least. Don't see both of them making the final roster. Even if Bolden beats him out, there's value in really making him earn the job.

Your contention is a fair one BradyFTW! but I took the approach of let's go with what's known (and those picks are what we know).