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Will more teams go to the Tampa-2?

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With the Colts and Bears both in the big game, and Ron Rivera maybe getting a head coaching gig somewhere this year, do you think there will be more teams switching to the Tampa-2/Cover-2 system this offseason? From my perspective, the fewer 3-4 NFL teams there are the better for the Patriots (less league-wide familiarity with the defense and less competition for 3-4 talent in the draft and FA). What does everybody think?
 
Considering that the Tampa 2 doesn't impress me and the fact that I think Brady can pick it apart all day, I hope more teams do convert to it.

The more unique the Pats are, the more success they will have.
 
I don't understand your assumption that a tampa-2/cover-2 scheme is incompatible with and necessitates a move away from a 3-4 DL.
 
I don't understand your assumption that a tampa-2/cover-2 scheme is incompatible with and necessitates a move away from a 3-4 DL.

It has to do with the linebackers and the physical attributes you need for each system. The 3-4 scheme requires the outside linebackers to be very big guys, 240, 250, 260 pound guys who have to be able to set the edge against the run as well as pass rush against prepared left tackles. Their pass coverage responsibilities are the flat zones, and short drop zones. The tight end is usually the responsibility of one of the inside linebackers [ this is what Roman Phifer did so well for so long.] The OLBs are often fast and slightly small 4-3 defensive ends.

The inside linebackers for the 3-4 are the generalists; they need to be big enough to take on guards, and at least one of them needs to be able to keep up with a tight end down the middle. However you'll almost never see an ILB with zone responsibilities past 15 yards deep --- you'll see one running to keep up with a seam and fly routes, but that is not their primary responsbility.

Now the 4-3 Tampa-2 has totally different requirements for their linebackers. The OLB is responsible for the tight end and the intermediate zones[5-12 yards off the line of scrimmage]. Cato June at 230lbs and Ernie Sims of Detroit at 220lbs are typical 4-3 Tamps 2 OLBs. In the Patriots' system, these guys are too small to play the outside. If they were on the Patriots, these players would be very big strong safeties. In the Tampa-2, the OLBs count on the four defensive linemen to tie up the five or six offensive blockers so that they can use their speed to flow to plays.

Most importantly is the middle linebacker position in the Tampa-2. The big difference between the Tampa-2 and original Cover-2 is that the middle linebacker in the Tampa-2 has significantly more pass coverage responsibilities. His job in pass defense is to sink into a moderately deep intermediate zone (10-15 yards off the line of scrimmage) and pretty much play a shallow center field safety. This means the guy has to first and foremost run like a gazelle. Brian Urlacher is probably the best example of a current Tampa-2 MLB. He is responsible for way more ground than a 3-4 ILB.

So a 3-4 team playing the Tampa-2 will be run on incessently if their linebackers are prototypical Tampa-2 backers, as the edges will not be sealed because the linebackers are getting bulldozed by pulling guards and fullbacks. If the team has linebackers that are big 3-4 backers, they will be destroyed on the intermediate routes between the linebackers and the safeties as the linebackers will be too big and slow to keep up with the seam and fly routes.

There are exceptions to the player profiles with atheletic freaks who are 6-4, 250lbs who can run a 4.5 40 and have great agility. These players exist, but they are not common enough to build a defense around. If a team is lucky enough to have one of these players, then they have an edge, but the schemes are not formatted to fit the freak instead of the typical NFL size/strength/speed tradeoff.
 
Were the Colts even playing a true Tampa 2? Seems like they always had a safety up in the box throughout most of the playoffs.
 
Were the Colts even playing a true Tampa 2? Seems like they always had a safety up in the box throughout most of the playoffs.

Seeing how Dungy created the Tampa-2, seems like it is true no matter who is in the box.
 
With the Colts and Bears both in the big game, and Ron Rivera maybe getting a head coaching gig somewhere this year, do you think there will be more teams switching to the Tampa-2/Cover-2 system this offseason? From my perspective, the fewer 3-4 NFL teams there are the better for the Patriots (less league-wide familiarity with the defense and less competition for 3-4 talent in the draft and FA). What does everybody think?

What a wonderful idea. Go midget, guys. Copy the Cover 2. I hope lots of teams adopt the now proven Tampa Bay cover 2. It's now won 2 out of the last six Superbowls and only lost four other times. More 3-4 players for BB and SP. Maybe Tomlinson will install the Tampa defense and scrap the 3-4; Houston left it when Capers left. Miami was installing it under Nick but he's gone too. There are now surplus 3-4 players to be had.

Let us pray...
 
What a wonderful idea. Go midget, guys. Copy the Cover 2. I hope lots of teams adopt the now proven Tampa Bay cover 2. It's now won 2 out of the last six Superbowls and only lost four other times. More 3-4 players for BB and SP. Maybe Tomlinson will install the Tampa defense and scrap the 3-4; Houston left it when Capers left. Miami was installing it under Nick but he's gone too. There are now surplus 3-4 players to be had.

Let us pray...

I'm thinking the same thing. The Colts won the SB and it's a copycat league.

Copy away! :rocker:
 
Colts got away from the Cover 2 in the playoffs. More of a Cover 3.

Cover 3 refers to 3 deep defenders each guarding one-third of the deep zone. Cover 3 schemes are usually used to defend against passes, mainly those towards the deep middle of the field. Unlike Cover 2 schemes that create a natural hole between safeties, Cover 3's extra deep defender is able to patrol the middle area effectively.

The most basic Cover 3 scheme involves 2 CBs and a safety. Upon snap, the CBs work for depth, backpedaling into their assigned zone. One safety moves toward the center of the field. The other safety is free to rotate into the flat area (about 2-4 yards beyond the line of scrimmage), provide pass coverage help, or blitz.

As with other coverage shells, Cover 3 is paired with underneath man or zone coverage in its most basic form.

The main weakness of Cover 3 shells is the 2 retreating CBs. Since the CBs are working for depth, short pass routes underneath the CB can isolate him on a wide receiver near the sideline with little help.
 
God I hope so.
 
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