Greg Williams Speech before the 49ers game

[Snake Eyes]

Yeah, and he ran a program to pay guys to injure people. Other than that, he really didn't do anything wrong.

Injuring the other team is kinda their job.

Like it or not we celebrate players who do that, Lawrence Taylor's hit on Joe Theisman which ended his career is a classic bit of film. The question should be whether one player injured another but rather on whether a hit was clean or not: if a hit is clean that's just part of the game, James Harrison launching himself at Colt McCoy's head, not so much.

 

[Fixit]

Injuring the other team is kinda their job.

Like it or not we celebrate players who do that, Lawrence Taylor's hit on Joe Theisman which ended his career is a classic bit of film. The question should be whether one player injured another but rather on whether a hit was clean or not: if a hit is clean that's just part of the game, James Harrison launching himself at Colt McCoy's head, not so much.

I'm pretty sure the team's job is to score more points than the other team.

You know what screams clean hit? "Let's take out his ACL."

 

[Patsfan_22]

Oh to be on a fly on the wall of a Saint defensive meeting before the Saints Vikings game in 2009.

 

[Snake Eyes]

I'm pretty sure the team's job is to score more points than the other team.

You know what screams clean hit? "Let's take out his ACL."

Scoring points becomes a lot easier when their key players on the field.

As far as taking out someone's ACL, if a player goes for the knees, like Polamalu does all the time when he's not trying to break Welker's neck, it's the jobs of the ref to call it, which they do a crap job of IMO.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Injuring the other team is kinda their job.

Like it or not we celebrate players who do that, Lawrence Taylor's hit on Joe Theisman which ended his career is a classic bit of film. The question should be whether one player injured another but rather on whether a hit was clean or not: if a hit is clean that's just part of the game, James Harrison launching himself at Colt McCoy's head, not so much.

No, it's not. It's an unfortunate byproduct of their job on occasion but it can and should be avoided whenever possible and should never be the intent. And "we" are part of the problem which is why culture change is so difficult to effect and why sometimes drastic and unpopular measures have to be taken as in this case when allowing a culture to continue to exist threatens the very existence of the game we all supposedly love to play and or watch it....

 

[randomk1]

Obviously a bit too much on the head and acl stuff but other than that is that really much worse than you might hear from other locker rooms?

If some of our players we're to say "let's knock some ************s out" in a pregame huddle then i'd probably be cheering them on.

also the crabtree part is gold.

 

[Tunescribe]

Injuring the other team is kinda their job.

No it is not "kinda their job." There is a huge difference between punishing an opponent through legal physical play and attempting to injure someone.

Like it or not we celebrate players who do that, Lawrence Taylor's hit on Joe Theisman which ended his career is a classic bit of film.

I played football and have watched the pro game for decades and have NEVER celebrated a player getting injured or enjoyed watching it happen. Injury is a sad, unfortunate byproduct of contact sports, not a goal or purpose.

I still get squeamish seeing that Theisman hit. Anyone who lauds it as a "classic bit of film" is a budding sadist.

 

[Snake Eyes]

No, it's not. It's an unfortunate byproduct of their job on occasion but it can and should be avoided whenever possible and should never be the intent. And "we" are part of the problem which is why culture change is so difficult to effect and why sometimes drastic and unpopular measures have to be taken as in this case when allowing a culture to continue to exist threatens the very existence of the game we all supposedly love to play and or watch it....

Coming from someone whose screen name celebrates Drew Bledsoe nearly getting killed, but hey, whatever helps you sleep at night...

 

[Snake Eyes]

No it is not "kinda their job." There is a huge difference between punishing an opponent through legal physical play and attempting to injure someone.

Can legal physical contact injure someone?

I played football and have watched the pro game for decades and have NEVER celebrated a player getting injured or enjoyed watching it happen. Injury is a sad, unfortunate byproduct of contact sports, not a goal or purpose.

I still get squeamish seeing that Theisman hit. Anyone who lauds it as a "classic bit of film" is a budding sadist.

I'm not a sadist, I'm just honest. The NFL has shown that clip a million times, you'll never see a documentary on LT without them showing that play. The league profits from violent hits like that yet condems it at the same time, a bunch of damn hypocrites.

Top Ten Pass Rushers #1 Deacon Jones - YouTube

"I tried to put him in the hospital every time I hit him" - Deacon Jones

 

[Reckedtrek]

This idiot is DONE in the NFL! He better be.

He'll be lucky if his next speech is "Do you want to biggee size that value meal?"

Screw him and the horse he rode in on!

 

[randomk1]

Top Ten Pass Rushers #1 Deacon Jones - YouTube

"I tried to put him in the hospital every time I hit him" - Deacon Jones

His headslap move is hilarious.

 

[Bobs My Uncle]

Don't see the need to be up in arms over this frankly; trying to get the edge is part of the game when people's livelihood's are a part of the equation. And, yes, I know the player who may get maimed also has a livelihood at stake as well. In some pro sports there are purpose only players who make a living equalizing things by accounting for strategic players on opposing teams.

My disbelief is that Williams was caught on tape saying it all after, presumably, being warned about it. Much like BB continuing to tape as he did after being warned not too.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Scoring points becomes a lot easier when their key players on the field.

As far as taking out someone's ACL, if a player goes for the knees, like Polamalu does all the time when he's not trying to break Welker's neck, it's the jobs of the ref to call it, which they do a crap job of IMO.

A wise man once told me much to my chagrin that no one ever said it would be easy... The goal should be to win the right way, because you earned it - not because you found a shortcut or an end around deserving to win because you played better. An offense's job is to score enough points to win. A defenses job is to stop opponents from scoring. If you do your job correctly, execution and effort and talent should give you a fair shot at winning - which is the ultimate goal. You shouldn't be rewarded for finding a way to win absent execution and effort and talent - and more often than not over time you won't win and you won't be. Pollard is an example of that. He moves from team to team for a reason. He is what he is, an under achieving talent who uses anger as motivation to allow himself to maintain an NFL career.

One of the things I respect about this team is we won't go that route. If a player can't be coached up to do it right, like Big Bang Clock, we just walk away. That's a sign that the right culture exists here. And part of that is the right coaching. Which is why Rodney became a much more significant player in his time here than in his time in SD where all he really did was hit people...and often with cheap shots. It goes along with the no thugs and hoodlums or self absoebed mentality Kraft chooses to persue - on and off the field. He wants the team that bears his family name to win, but win the right way. Not all owners adhere to that philosophy. Hence a message is being sent to them, too.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Don't see the need to be up in arms over this frankly; trying to get the edge is part of the game when people's livelihood's are a part of the equation. And, yes, I know the player who may get maimed also has a livelihood at stake as well. In some pro sports there are purpose only players who make a living equalizing things by accounting for strategic players on opposing teams.

My disbelief is that Williams was caught on tape saying it all after, presumably, being warned about it. Much like BB continuing to tape as he did after being warned not too.

And shame on those sports, even though most of them have something else the NFL never will, guaranteed contracts...

 

[Deus Irae]

Players have been trying to injure their opponents since before Pacino knew how to scream, they know of their specific injuries and try their best to exploit them.

All Williams did was speak the unspoken truth, and for that crime he'll be destroyed.

Williams offered money for injuring players. He did not just "speak the unspoken truth".

 

[Brady_to_Moss]

Don't see the need to be up in arms over this frankly; trying to get the edge is part of the game when people's livelihood's are a part of the equation. And, yes, I know the player who may get maimed also has a livelihood at stake as well. In some pro sports there are purpose only players who make a living equalizing things by accounting for strategic players on opposing teams.

My disbelief is that Williams was caught on tape saying it all after, presumably, being warned about it. Much like BB continuing to tape as he did after being warned not too.

Wrong on both counts. And why bring BB into this?? You really think these situations are similar "pats fan"?

Man, sorry. Fired up this morning.

And another thing! "Comfort is the breeding ground for mediocrity" really makes no sense. I know plenty of uncomfortable mediocre people, and just as many excelllent people that are comfortable.

ahh, sorry for the attack. I'm sure you're a very nice person. I'll go back to work now

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Coming from someone whose screen name celebrates Drew Bledsoe nearly getting killed, but hey, whatever helps you sleep at night...

That's your typically overworked, fall back, intellectually challenged comeback any time you can't keep up. And you should have loved that hit, it was classic and squeaky clean...and perfectly legal. That Drew was injured was simply a byproduct of playing the game the right way. And the other byproduct of that hit was that while Drew couldn't play for a couple of weeks he lived to start again as a franchise QB, somewhere else... And that was a very good thing for the NEP.

 

[Brady_to_Moss]

Did anyone just hear that moron Hugh Douglas on ESPN? WOW

 

[patsfaninpittsburgh]

Did anyone just hear that moron Hugh Douglas on ESPN? WOW

What did he say?

 

[SEA_Pat]

Sorry to raise a point I raised in the previous discussion about this quite some time ago but...

I am having trouble getting my head around the relationship between offensive and defensive players who are sitting in the same locker room while this is going on. Given the amount of player movement across the league, surely the offensive guys are aware that they could easily or quite likely ARE targets of the defense who would essentially be threatening their livelihoods and inflicting a serious amount of pain and long unpleasant rehabilitation on them. Why would any offensive player not get up and go straight to the NFL office and report this. How could it have taken this long?

I played ice hockey, which is also a physical sport, but one where I never saw anyone deliberately preparing to try to injure other guys. Play hard, be tough, hit as much as you can, make them scared to go into corners or park in front of the net, sure, all of that. But injure guys? No way. And if I knew someone on my team was trying to do that, I'd call him out on it. Given that we were all on the ice at the same time, there's a different dynamic in hockey though. This is more "targets" vs. "assassins", and I can't understand how the targets would sit there and be okay with this.