Tebow to Pats rumor

[ausbacker]

The problem with Tebow "haters" is that no matter how many times you tell them we're not looking at him as a QB, they keep going on about him and his limitations as a passer. This brain freeze that Tebow causes in them elicits such interesting responses as "the problem with Tebow is that he's a winner". Yup. that's not a trait we want on the Patriots.

I have no issue with Tebow the winner, it's mightily desirable. I have a problem with the roster and Tebow. There simply isn't a position for him.

 

[ProudestRyno]

I'm glad you're tapped in with all the GMs of the league. Shouldn't I be asking you for a source or something...



Yeah, I'm sure Kraft would be furious that we acquired a bunch of new fans...

Players improve and he's already proved to be capable of winning games. I doubt Tebow is finished developing as a player.

Also, in the red zone, you could use Tebow as any of the following; Tight end/hback blocker, QB sub, full back, running back, even WR. And I'm not sure why you'd be concerned with Tebow's ego.

Bill has shown no hesitation to use players as he seems fit, conventional wisdom be damned.

Dan Klecko played full back, Mike Vrabel played tight end, Richard Seymour played full back, Don Davis doubled a safety, Troy Brown and Edelman played CB (although those 2 were more out of necessity)... I'm sure there are others that I'm forgetting.

To this point you made, "He won't be a decoy if you know he going to run." Who says he always going to run?

You seem lost.

You want him to throw? The idea of turning the Patriots red zone O into an option offense is idiotic at best. Tom Brady is our best weapon and it is in the Patriot's best interest having him under center for EVERY play the offense runs. It makes no sense to sign Tebow to be a traditional RB for red zone packages. And he's not going to be a TE either. Who do you suggest taking off the field so that Tebow can be a part of red zone packages?

Tim Tebow is a TERRIBLE QB. I mean terrible. Don't give me the "he won games" last year bs. Their D won games in spite of him. Go ahead with your "he was clutch". My response? A competent QB wouldnt have had to rely on the last 2 minutes to win the game that their D kept them in. They would have put the game away long ago...

These rumors are all ******ed. Hopefully, Tebow finds a new team soon so that people will shutup about him possibly coming to NE.

And ABSOLUTELY, I would rather have Hoyer or Mallett be under center if something unfortunately happened to Brady. Ya know why? Cause they're QBs, not gimmicks like Tebow. The fact that people are talking about Tebow as something other than a QB PROVES that. He can't cut it as an effective QB, so he'll always have to lean on an option O, or be talked about being put at another position.

It's no accident the Broncos had NO faith in him.

 

[Tfon808]

Maybe the broncos should give US a draft pick just to take him away lmao

 

[ProudestRyno]

Tebow would be perfect for the Patriots. He is pretty much unstoppable running in the redzone. He could also relieve Brady on 3rd and short. And he would be learning QB under one of the greats in Brady.

For the clowns who claim that Tebow cannot throw the damn ball, he was the one who made Hernandez into a star in Florida, and he also has the highest passing rating in SEC history. He also threw for 316 yards against the # 1 passing defence in the league in the playoffs. Chew on that, haters.

Right cause College football and the NFL are the same, right?

QBs that run the option do it for a reason...

Tebow can't throw the damn ball, just look at his NFL numbers. Nobody cares what he did with a gimmicky college offense, because gimmicky college offenses aren't effective in the NFL.

 

[ProudestRyno]

You and your niece and your entire family put together could not even dream of leading an NFL team to a playoff game win. Nevermind winning a playoff game against the #1 defence, playing behind the worst center in NFL, and having only young and inexperienced WRs to throw to.

The Broncos won games in spite of Tim Tebow, not because of him. He made a nice play in OT against a Pitt D playing Cover 0.

Any QB makes that throw. And to be honest, the game wouldnt have even been in OT had the Broncos had a legit QB. A legit QB puts that game away much earlier.

I have no problem with people supporting Tebow's worth ethic or drive to succeed, or his willingness to be coached. It's the ignorant people who claim he's a good qb and claiming the Broncos winning some games is proof of that.

Tebow is a terrible QB, and the Broncos won some games bc the D played fantastic ball down the stretch, along with the running game. Tebow just happened to be there for the ride.

I hope he goes to a terrible team and his true colors as an NFL passer are that much more obvious. This way, all the people who try to pretend Tebow is a good passer will have nothing to say.

 

[patsderoer]

You seem lost.

Tim Tebow is a TERRIBLE QB. I mean terrible. Don't give me the "he won games" last year bs. Their D won games in spite of him. Go ahead with your "he was clutch". My response? A competent QB wouldnt have had to rely on the last 2 minutes to win the game that their D kept them in. They would have put the game away long ago...

You are a terrible poster. Terrible.

What WRs did Tebow had in Denver? Young and inexperienced. Thomas and Decker both with only one season prior to this, and Royal another young receiver. Thomas was injured most of the time and only started 5 games.

Tebow was playing behind the worst center in the league. And this terrible, terrible QB managed to throw for 316 yards against the # 1 passing defence in the league in the playoffs, while still being essentially a rookie. For any other rookie QB, this would have been hailed as an amazing performance, yet for the Tebow haters, he is a terrible QB who cant throw the damn ball. LOL

 

[manxman2601]

Right cause College football and the NFL are the same, right?

QBs that run the option do it for a reason...

Tebow can't throw the damn ball, just look at his NFL numbers. Nobody cares what he did with a gimmicky college offense, because gimmicky college offenses aren't effective in the NFL.

Well apart from getting teams to the playoffs after a 1-4 start. Oh and Cam Newton says hi by the way.

 

[ausbacker]

Well apart from getting teams to the playoffs after a 1-4 start. Oh and Cam Newton says hi by the way.

Cam Newton didn't play in a gimmick offense in the NFL for his rookie season. He out performed even the wildest of expectations the greatest optimist would have hard. What's your point?

 

[manxman2601]

I have no issue with Tebow the winner, it's mightily desirable. I have a problem with the roster and Tebow. There simply isn't a position for him.

I quoted you word for word. "The problem with Tebow is that he's a winner". That's unambiguous. As for a roster spot, I'm guessing that if BB trades for him then he's probably got that sussed. He's smart like that you know. Kind of goes with the territory of his job.

 

[manxman2601]

Cam Newton didn't play in a gimmick offense in the NFL for his rookie season. He out performed even the wildest of expectations the greatest optimist would have hard. What's your point?

Point One - This vaunted Broncos defense that got them to the playoffs were the same defense that lead them to a 1-4 start. The thing that changed was the offense and the introduction of Tebow. I'm not saying his passing was necessarily a part of that but his mental makeup and ability to extend plays sure was.

Point Two - Are you saying Cam Newton didn't run a variant of an option running game in Carolina because I sure remember him running options.

 

[patsderoer]

Cam Newton didn't play in a gimmick offense in the NFL for his rookie season. He out performed even the wildest of expectations the greatest optimist would have hard. What's your point?

Yeah 17 INT, while having a veteran very good receiver in Steve Smith, and two very good TEs in G Olsen and J Shockey. Compared that with what Tebow had, only young and inexperienced WRs, and the worst center in the league, and some average at best TEs.

And Tebow still took his team to the playoffs, the same team(without its best receiver B Lloyd) who started 1-4 and were completely hopeless. And in the playoffs, Tebow throws for 316 yards against the #1 passing defence, and wins the game. But he cannot throw the ball, while Cam and his 17 INT can. LOL

 

[ausbacker]

I quoted you word for word. "The problem with Tebow is that he's a winner". That's unambiguous. As for a roster spot, I'm guessing that if BB trades for him then he's probably got that sussed. He's smart like that you know. Kind of goes with the territory of his job.

Once again, what's your point?

Point One - This vaunted Broncos defense that got them to the playoffs were the same defense that lead them to a 1-4 start. The thing that changed was the offense and the introduction of Tebow. I'm not saying his passing was necessarily a part of that but his mental makeup and ability to extend plays sure was.

Point Two - Are you saying Cam Newton didn't run a variant of an option running game in Carolina because I sure remember him running options.

I didn't realize the Panthers ran the option as their primary offense. Maybe it's because they didn't.

The Broncos were workd out once NFL DC's dusted off their High School 50's play books.

Yeah 17 INT, while having a veteran very good receiver in Steve Smith, and two very good TEs in G Olsen and J Shockey. Compared that with what Tebow had, only young and inexperienced WRs, and the worst center in the league, and some average at best TEs.

And Tebow still took his team to the playoffs, the same team(without its best receiver B Lloyd) who started 1-4 and were completely hopeless. And in the playoffs, Tebow throws for 316 yards against the #1 passing defence, and wins the game. But he cannot throw the ball, while Cam and his 17 INT can. LOL

What's your point? Tebow would have a higher completion % if he was in Carolina? Perhaps Kyle Orton was hung out to dry given the Broncos injuries and same firepower on O.?

 

[Armchair Quarterback]

The problem with Tebow "haters" is that no matter how many times you tell them we're not looking at him as a QB, they keep going on about him and his limitations as a passer. This brain freeze that Tebow causes in them elicits such interesting responses as "the problem with Tebow is that he's a winner". Yup. that's not a trait we want on the Patriots.

And then there's this; "But Belichick and Caserio have both said that when they evaluated Tebow, they judged him as a quarterback, nothing else."

Tim Tebow's Addition to Patriots Has Greater Chance of Disaster Than Success - New England Patriots - NESN.com

So what now?

 

[BPF]

Tebow wants to be a QB and there are teams in the league for football or non-football reasons will allow him to do just that, this is not one of those teams. You can only have one developmental QB at one-time and I'd stick w/Mallett, I think the Pats will as well.

3 teams come to mind:

1.) Jax - Mularkey has exp w/slash types and the obvious gate attraction. Tebow sells tix now while they build a winner that will sustain success w/sea ticket sales. Winning teams sell best in the long-haul.
2.) Buf - Need a quality back up & Gailey, like Mularkey, is a very outside the box creative offensive coach.
3.) Mia - Ticket sales because he doesn't fit Philbin's offense.

 

[manxman2601]

And then there's this; "But Belichick and Caserio have both said that when they evaluated Tebow, they judged him as a quarterback, nothing else."

Tim Tebow's Addition to Patriots Has Greater Chance of Disaster Than Success - New England Patriots - NESN.com

So what now?

OK I'm convinced. Random internet article says it's a bad idea. Thankyou for convincing me of my folly.

I've never advocated for him to come here as a QB. In fact I've never actually advocated for him to come here at all. All I've ever said is that it wouldn't surprise me if it happened for the reasons I stated before. Still struggling to see why so many people are struggling to comprehend this.

It's simple. If Tebow says that he wants to be a QB and nothing else then he won't be a Patriot. However, if he's open to other roles then there's a chance.

 

[patsderoer]

What's your point? Tebow would have a higher completion % if he was in Carolina? Perhaps Kyle Orton was hung out to dry given the Broncos injuries and same firepower on O.?

Thats exactly my point. Tebow would have had a higher completion % with two very good TEs like Olsen and Shockley. Olsen & Shockey together were good for at least 6 receptions like every game, while Tebow's TEs were good for 2 receptions at most every game. Rosario and Fells, Denver's TEs, together only once had more than 2 receptions in a game. Give Tebow two very good TEs like Olsen and Shockey, and his completion % goes to the 60%, and the haters have nothing to hate on.

 

[Deus Irae]

Peyton Manning, the #2 QB in the NFL this century, is going to the Broncos as long as contract details can be worked out. That thread's got just under 200 posts in it right now. Here, with a mere rumor that Tim Tebow might be of interest to the Patriots and might possibly end up in New England, this thread has 400 posts.


Gotta love it.... :bricks:

 

[ausbacker]

Thats exactly my point. Tebow would have had a higher completion % with two very good TEs like Olsen and Shockley. Olsen & Shockey together were good for at least 6 receptions like every game, while Tebow's TEs were good for 2 receptions at most every game. Rosario and Fells, Denver's TEs, together only once had more than 2 receptions in a game. Give Tebow two very good TEs like Olsen and Shockey, and his completion % goes to the 60%, and the haters have nothing to hate on.

You're either drinking too much or not enough.

 

[patsderoer]

You're either drinking too much or not enough.

You have nothing, no arguments, only personal attacks. That really shows who you are.

Tebow had JAG TEs, while Cam had 2 very good TEs.
Cam's TEs were good for 6 receptions every game, while Tebow's TEs were good for 2 at most every game. With 4 more completions a game, Tebow's completion % goes to 60%, and the haters are exposed for what they really are, haters.

I apologize now for confusing the haters with FACTS.

 

[manxman2601]

Once again, what's your point?


I didn't realize the Panthers ran the option as their primary offense. Maybe it's because they didn't.

The Broncos were workd out once NFL DC's dusted off their High School 50's play books.


What's your point? Tebow would have a higher completion % if he was in Carolina? Perhaps Kyle Orton was hung out to dry given the Broncos injuries and same firepower on O.?

Just saying "what's your point" is not the smartest argument I've ever seen. Let's try and make things simple for you in the form of a dialogue:

My Point: I wouldn't be at all surprised if the Patriots made a move for Tebow if the price is right because our front office are known to like him and if used correctly could be the type of mismatch BB likes to generate.

your point: But he can't throw the ball.

My Point: I'm not suggesting he be a QB but more of an H-Back type that can be used all over the field wherever the mismatch is likely to occur.

Your Point - But he can't throw the ball

My Point: Bangs head against desk He wouldn't be asked to.

Your Point: But the problem is he's a winner

My Point: Starting to wonder if I've strayed into a Dolphins forum. That's what I like about him

Your Point: But there's no place for him on our roster.

My Point: Well as I said that I wouldn't be surprised if we acquired him, if or when we do, I'm pretty sure that our F.O. will have considered that necessary fact.

Your Point: What's your point?

My Point: Backs off slowly now convinced I'm in a Jets forum. Nevermind.

Hope that simplifies things a little bit.