Offense ONLY: one draftee you'd love, one you'd cross off the list

[ctpatsfan77]

Since I wasn't able to watch the combine, I won't take part in this, but:

If you had control over the draft board on Draft Day:
(1) Who would be one player you'd put a sign saying "DRAFT THIS GUY -->" next to? It doesn't have to be a first-rounder.
(2) Who would be one player you'd put a sign saying "STAY AWAY -->"?

 

[Patriot Missile]

Talent wise I think Trent Richardson is the best player in this draft. So I'd put an unrealistic sign on him.

Donte Paige Moss is the biggest douche in this draft so I'd put a dunce hat on his head that said don't draft this clown regardless of his talent. Burfict is following close behind with his "ownership" of his behavior this weekend.

But, since I guess it was suppose to be offense and not defense I guess I'd have to say any QB.

 

[UK_Pat37]

If I were to say anyone...Trent Richardson I would have to agree with.

For stay away I'll pick a guy who some have top 15, others have out of the first round. So many question marks surrounding this guy it's worrying and I have some concerns watching his tape. Best hands in the draft but he has so many other issues. Alshon Jeffery I wouldn't touch with a ten foot barge pole. Didn't help himself at all today.

 

[Sciz]

1. Marvin Jones. He's a little bigger than the prototypical Pats WR at 6'2", 199, but still moves well, with a 4.46 40, 4.11 shuttle, and very good 6.81 3 cone. Sounds like a good kid from all accounts, and he'll be a better pro than college player.
Runner up: Devon Wylie. Didn't run the 3 cone or shuttle, but I think would have done very well. Could be a very good slot guy for the Pats in the future while adding speed now.

2. Juron Criner. I've been down on him for a while, and I expect other to move in that direction. He ran a 4.68 40 (3rd slowest among WRs), 4.30 shuttle (3rd slowest), and 7.15 3 cone (slowest). For comparison, Hernandez ran 4.64, 4.18, and 6.83 at 20 pounds heavier two years ago. Plus Criner measured in an inch and a half shorter than what he was listed at. There's just no way you can expect him to get open against NFL-quality CBs with athleticism like that.
Runner up: Mohamed Sanu. Has better change of direction than Criner, but that's about it. Still slower than Hernandez in each of those 3 drills. That 4.67 combined with the fact that his longest reception over the past two seasons was 32 yards are a huge red flag.

 

[UK_Pat37]

1. Marvin Jones. He's a little bigger than the prototypical Pats WR at 6'2", 199, but still moves well, with a 4.46 40, 4.11 shuttle, and very good 6.81 3 cone. Sounds like a good kid from all accounts, and he'll be a better pro than college player.
Runner up: Devon Wylie. Didn't run the 3 cone or shuttle, but I think would have done very well. Could be a very good slot guy for the Pats in the future while adding speed now.

2. Juron Criner. I've been down on him for a while, and I expect other to move in that direction. He ran a 4.68 40 (3rd slowest among WRs), 4.30 shuttle (3rd slowest), and 7.15 3 cone (slowest). For comparison, Hernandez ran 4.64, 4.18, and 6.83 at 20 pounds heavier two years ago. Plus Criner measured in an inch and a half shorter than what he was listed at. There's just no way you can expect him to get open against NFL-quality CBs with athleticism like that.
Runner up: Mohamed Sanu. Has better change of direction than Criner, but that's about it. Still slower than Hernandez in each of those 3 drills. That 4.67 combined with the fact that his longest reception over the past two seasons was 32 yards are a huge red flag.

I don't expect Sanu or Criner's stocks to be hurt by their times at all. These two are two of the better route runners in the draft. I watch Criner and I watch a smart as hell guy...he stems his routes better than any receiver in the draft and knows where the QB is going to put the football depending on what the coverage is like. He can recognise a coverage and sit in holes in zones all day long. I'm equally high on Sanu's football IQ.

Team,s will regret passing on these guys and where these guys will separate them,selves is the interview room. Good route running makes up for speed...they both have very good verticals too imo.

EDIT: Stephen Hill I wanted to see other than these two.,,,he killed it today however he's going to need to show he can run all the NFL routes and not just run up the field and jump up for the ball. Interviews are going to be big for him too.

 

[Sciz]

I don't expect Sanu or Criner's stocks to be hurt by their times at all. These two are two of the better route runners in the draft. I watch Criner and I watch a smart as hell guy...he stems his routes better than any receiver in the draft and knows where the QB is going to put the football depending on what the coverage is like. He can recognise a coverage and sit in holes in zones all day long. I'm equally high on Sanu's football IQ.

It's not going to hurt them because everybody already knew they were slow. There was someone a while ago who said that Criner would be fine because lots of WRs ran over 4.5 and were great players. I'd love to see the list of guys to run slower than 4.65 and then be really productive.

 

[DaBruinz]

It's not going to hurt them because everybody already knew they were slow. There was someone a while ago who said that Criner would be fine because lots of WRs ran over 4.5 and were great players. I'd love to see the list of guys to run slower than 4.65 and then be really productive.

Wes Welker ran a 4.65 40 with a 7.09 3-cone. Just saying..

 

[Sciz]

Wes Welker ran a 4.65 40 with a 7.09 3-cone. Just saying..

If that's the only guy we can think of, then things are looking awfully grim for Criner and Sanu.

 

[Elijah T.]

Love: Brian Quick WR (2nd round), Stephen Hill WR (2nd round) Tommy Streeter WR (2nd Round), Mohamed Sanu WR (2nd round), Alshon Jeffery WR (2nd round), Greg Childs WR (3rd-4th round), Michael Egnew TE (3rd round), Ben Jones C (2nd round), Mike Brewster C (3rd round), Kevin Zeitler OG (3rd round), Bernard Pierce RB (4th round), Chris Rainey RB/PR (4th round).

It's all about value for me. The only players I'm really against the Pats drafting is Dwight Jones WR from North Carolina. He has 2nd round measureables and athletic ability but lacks focus, shows inconsistent hands, and runs choppy, deliberate routes.

I'm also not that high on Kendall Wright...Very raw fundamentally, rarely dealt with handling the press, and is easily bumped for leverage in his glide. I don't think he's a better grade for grade than Joe Adams from Arkansas, I wouldn't want Adams until the third round at least.

I would like Adams more but I still remember that Sugar Bowl vs OSU when he dropped 3 or 4 passes....He seemed too improve his concentration in '11 but will drop 3 or 4 balls once he loses one.

In this class I'm hoping for a trade-up for Michael Brockers or to land Mark Barron (27) and Andre Branch/Vinny Curry (31).

 

[TriplecHamp]

love- Malcom floyd (could have gone with any number of guys here so i just picked floyd). Don't know how he interviewed but he and Blackmon both have the ability to take over the game. Big target, who runs well and was productive at ND despite the qb position.

hate- Ryan Tannehill, Locks on and makes poor throws when he hast to move his feet.

 

[Off The Grid]

Every time I see that obnoxious "Shane Vereen = Thurman Thomas" Sig, I feel stabby.

 

[Off The Grid]

love- Malcom floyd (could have gone with any number of guys here so i just picked floyd). Don't know how he interviewed but he and Blackmon both have the ability to take over the game. Big target, who runs well and was productive at ND despite the qb position.

Who the #$%& is Malcom Floyd???

 

[Palm Beach Pats Fan]

If that's the only guy we can think of, then things are looking awfully grim for Criner and Sanu.

Jerry Rice ran a 4.7 and did OK!

 

[VrabelJr]

Love: Greg Childs, WR - Arkansas

Hate: Joe Adams, WR - Arkansas

 

[DaBruinz]

If that's the only guy we can think of, then things are looking awfully grim for Criner and Sanu.

Why? because you say so? Sorry Sciz, but the fact that I could think of one right off the top of my head that wasn't named Jerry Rice (who also put up numbers in the same range as Criner and Sanu) should tell you something. It should tell you that if I went digging I can probably find more without too much trouble.

Also, most sane people are looking at Sanu as a possession receiver, not a burner. Criner, on the other hand, is considered a burner because he plays faster than his timed speed.

I'll be straight with you. There is something wonky about the numbers that are being put up on NFL.Com. They are different than the numbers that could be heard being called out during the broadcast.

Also, remember that there are still the Pro Days and teams, generally, take the fastest time that they have available..

 

[Wilfork#75]

Why? because you say so? Sorry Sciz, but the fact that I could think of one right off the top of my head that wasn't named Jerry Rice (who also put up numbers in the same range as Criner and Sanu) should tell you something. It should tell you that if I went digging I can probably find more without too much trouble.

Also, most sane people are looking at Sanu as a possession receiver, not a burner. Criner, on the other hand, is considered a burner because he plays faster than his timed speed.

I'll be straight with you. There is something wonky about the numbers that are being put up on NFL.Com. They are different than the numbers that could be heard being called out during the broadcast.

Also, remember that there are still the Pro Days and teams, generally, take the fastest time that they have available..

Yeah, the "official" combine 40 time is always slower than hand times, and they are rarely, if ever used by teams. All teams have their own guys taking their own times, so what the official time is doesn't really matter. I would put much more stock into the unofficial times shown by the NFL network after a guy runs than the official because they are likely closer to the times the teams have.

I think Pete Prisco from CBS pretty much summed up my feelings on 40 times in a tweet.

Kendall Wright ran slower than Michael Floyd. I ask this: Who plays faster? It isn't Floyd.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Also, remember that there are still the Pro Days and teams, generally, take the fastest time that they have available..

Except, of course, for the Raiders, who would mysteriously add a few-tenths to some of those numbers. . . .

 

[manxman2601]

1. Marvin Jones. He's a little bigger than the prototypical Pats WR at 6'2", 199, but still moves well, with a 4.46 40, 4.11 shuttle, and very good 6.81 3 cone. Sounds like a good kid from all accounts, and he'll be a better pro than college player.

I have two prospects that I rate "must draft". One is on defense and I know Sciz strongly disagrees with me on this. I'm glad we get to agree with my offensive choice.

Marvin Jones is the best possible choice for a Patriot WR in this class. There are very few boxes he doesn't tick. He's smart, of good character, isn't a diva (he continued playing hard at Cal once he was supplanted as No 1 receiver by Keenan Allen), he plays in a pro-style offense (says they use option routes), he's a keen blocker, has some of the bigger arms and hand in the WR draft class and whilst not a burner, is no slouch either running a 4.46. Oh yes, most scouts agree, one of his better skills is getting off press coverage, a Patriot weakness.

He's my bang the table guy, and in this strong class, and despite an excellent pre-draft season, he's still late second/ third round value. He's Deoin Branch v2, better value to the Pats than most other teams.

As for offensive players I don't want, that's tough. I'll say Michael Floyd - general impressions I get is that he's a bit of a diva. I might be wrong, just a feel I get.

 

[Wilfork#75]

Marvin Jones is the best possible choice for a Patriot WR in this class. There are very few boxes he doesn't tick. He's smart, of good character, isn't a diva (he continued playing hard at Cal once he was supplanted as No 1 receiver by Keenan Allen), he plays in a pro-style offense (says they use option routes), he's a keen blocker, has some of the bigger arms and hand in the WR draft class and whilst not a burner, is no slouch either running a 4.46. Oh yes, most scouts agree, one of his better skills is getting off press coverage, a Patriot weakness.

He's my bang the table guy, and in this strong class, and despite an excellent pre-draft season, he's still late second/ third round value. He's Deoin Branch v2, better value to the Pats than most other teams.

The thing that impresses me the most about Jones from what I have seen and heard from him, is that he seems to have a really good understanding of the WR position, which is hugely important for the Pats system. While he probably doesn't have the athleticism of a #1 WR, I think the Deion Branch comparison is a good one. A very productive #2 whose intelligence will translate better here than most other places.

 

[manxman2601]

The thing that impresses me the most about Jones from what I have seen and heard from him, is that he seems to have a really good understanding of the WR position, which is hugely important for the Pats system. While he probably doesn't have the athleticism of a #1 WR, I think the Deion Branch comparison is a good one. A very productive #2 whose intelligence will translate better here than most other places.

Exactly. We're not a team that depends on a No 1, we need someone who runs routes intelligently, is a quality possession receiver but who has enough to stretch the field. the nice thing about Jones is, that as he's not a No 1 and doesn't have fantastic projectable upside,, in this deep class, he's not one that's going to rocket up draft boards. He's not going to supplant the likes of Rueben Randle or Stephen Hill. Because he's my guy, I'd happily take him at 48, but in reality he will probably still be there at 63 and I can't see BB not seeing value in him there.