Bring on the Ravens

[flynismo]

Ok, let's break down something quickly:

Who stops Welker

Webb

Who stops Gronk

JJ / Reed

Who stops Hernandez

He'll be laying on his back trying to chip Suggs

 

[randomk1]

Webb



JJ / Reed



He'll be laying on his back trying to chip Suggs

And that's that huh? ladarius ******* webb will shutdown the guy who had 120 receptions for 1500 yards on the season, a past his prime ed reed who suffered an injury last week will shutdown gronk...the guy who just had the greatest TE season in NFL history and Aaron Hernandez will be the extra blocker on the line against Suggs?

Glad you have it all figured out then.

 

[Patriot_in_NY]

He'll be laying on his back trying to chip Suggs

..... and this right here demonstrates how little you know about our TE packages. Do you even have the first clue about how we utilize Gronk and Hernandez? Do you what what skill set each brings to the table?

No, you don't. You just know their names and wanted to use them in your little example.

p.s. I pray to god that your Ravens D is dumb enough to cover the leading receiver in the NFL with just Webb all game. We could go ahead and get our tickets for Indy right now if we knew that. But no, I don't think the Ravens are quite as dumb as you are.

 

[Patriot_in_NY]

I disagree, i dont think the patriots will be able to come back from being down multiple scores, the same way i dont think the ravens will be able to come back from multiple scores.

even though the patriots will try their best to contain ray rice, they wont be able to entirely. i think the ravens will score at least 20 in this game, and if they are able to control the clock for a good chunk of time at any point, this game might be over.

You've not been paying close attention. The thing that separates this team from years past is that we have many more weapons on offense and we've demonstrated in multiple games this year, that when 1 particular aspect is effectively shut down, this offense can morph and utilize other aspects to begin to move the football and eventually score.

Whether its a tempo change, change in personnel (BJGE to Ridley) or whatever, this team can make offensive adjustments on the fly which has allowed us to come back in multiple games. We've almost NEVER been able to do that in the past.

 

[SeymourTrophies]

If Ray Lewis is in the Pats offense's huddle like he was in 2009, we could be in trouble. Ray Ray knew every single one of Brady's audibles and cadences from playing them, studying the film, and seeing it in action earlier in the season. Pair that with a non-existent defense and no Wes Welker, and we were doomed from the start of that game.

Citing how much pressure the Ravens got on T.J. Yates to forecast how Brady will do is misguided though. They didn't have too many heavy blitzes because they saw the Texans the way everyone else does. Make Yates beat you. Drop into coverage and watch him throw right at his favorite targets in double coverage. The Ravens aren't going to dare Brady to have his way with them like the Broncos basically did by showing coverages pre-snap every play.

 

[goheels22002]

The Ravens freak me out, frankly. Lee Evans and Anquan Boldin do a very good job on the outside and are better receivers than any pair we've seen in a while. They make difficult catches and bailed out Joe Flacco several times against the Texans. Ray Rice is a great running back and the Ravens' leading receiver. That offense can put 24-28 on the board.

The defense is tough and experienced. There is a reason the Ravens got the other bye and were right there with the Patriots all season until the Patriots raced through a weak end-of-season schedule.

 

[Kid~Brady]

Really? 4th ranked pass D and the secondary is not that good? I can certainly see Webb containing Welker one on one, and Ed Reed is Ed Reed ...

Too many people relying on stats, this is exactly what we want you guys to think. And for the record, Brady has smashed that secondary time and time again.

Remember, other than that 1 playoff loss to a shell of our real team, you guys are 1-6 against Brady. We came back the next year and beat you guys with Deion Branch.

 

[Kid~Brady]

Did you sleep through 2010?

Most of the things you think we can't do, we did in the most recent matchup, when we had a less experienced roster.

We contained Ray Rice, he had under 100 yards on 28 carries. We ran for nearly 5 yards per carry against them on 25+ carries. We came back in the 4th quarter from being down multiple scores and won in overtime.

This sums this thread up. Please lock!

 

[SeymourTrophies]

I truly hope that their gameplan is what the one BMore fan suggested. Cover Hernandez with Lewis and Welker 1v1. You don't put anyone 1v1 on Welker and succeed. Unfortunately, the ravens staff hasn't made it this far by putting linebackers on top targets in coverage.

Completely agree with the one post, but every game is decided by how our O-line manages against a pass rush. It doesn't hurt that we're as healthy as we've ever been on the line.

We could have a sleeper in Nink this game. He is a gamer, and that ravens o-line is suspect at times.

 

[Deus Irae]

Webb



JJ / Reed



He'll be laying on his back trying to chip Suggs

I'm just curious enough for a follow up here:

In all 3 matches you just made, the Patriots player has the significant advantage. How do you expect the Ravens players to consistent win against players who that are outgunned against?

 

[TruthSeeker]

I have to agree with this. This team is mentally tough and resilient, far more than they were last year and two years ago when they lost to the Ravens in the wild card round. Combined with better, more experienced talent on offense, I believe that if they get down by 10-14 points early, they have the ability to comeback and I wouldn't count them out. Would it be better not to get down by two scores early? Definitely. Can they mount a comeback if they do? Absolutely.

Exactly. They've already created huge holes for themselves (17-0 and 21-0) in the recent past and turned both games into blowout wins.

Now those teams didn't have the Ravens' defense, but then again the Patriots don't need to win by a blowout. The Patriots can score on anybody this year if they keep Brady upright. That will be the main challenge and I expect that they'll (for the most part) succeed.

 

[Dscola]

I sometimes am confused as to why people beleive Flacco is as bad as they think.

If wins are what we use to judge QBs, why does the criteria change when we talk about Flacco?

In the 6 years prior to the arrival of Joe Flacco and following the salary cap releases of most of the players from the superbowl team in 2001, the Ravens record was 50 and 46. Including the 13-3 record with Steve McNair in 2006. Through that time, the Ravens defense was top 5 every year yet, only went to the playoffs twice during that time with no wins.

Along comes Flacco in 2008. Same team that was terribly inconsistent in previous years with a much older defense yet in those four years since the Ravens record is 44-20 with 5 playoff wins, all but 1 on the road.

Nothing changed but the head coach and the QB.

44-20. Playoffs every year with a win in each season.

I can understand if people are tired of hearing his fans defend him but what must be understood is that we are tired of having to defend him. I could see if he was as inconsistent as Eli early in his career or He was praised like Ryan and fell off, but no. He has never thrown over 12 picks, always been around 3600 yards, and always has around 20 tds. Consistency.

This year, he has faced the #1, 2, 4, 5, 6, 7, 9, and 10th ranked defenses (Ravens were third) and went 10-2 in those games with an average Qb rating of 93.1 with 15 tds and 6 ints. He was also 7-0 vs playoff teams and is 26-4 at home.

While he definitley isn't elite by any stretch, he is easily top 12. He may not have the best playoff stats as Sanchez, but I would take his play during the regular season as an assurance that he would get us there.

He may not have the regular season stats of Matt Ryan but, I'll take his play outside of the comfort of his home stadium and road victories as a trade off.

In closing, there is not much to dislike Flacco about other than his followers defending him all day. I just don't think we should have to.

Another thing, where did this old defense thing come from? Oh I know. It's regurgitated by the talking heads in the media and repeated as gospel by fans. Fact is, The only Ravens starters over 30 are Ray Lewis, Corey Redding and Ed Reed. Everyone else even reserves are under 30. Half of our defense is under 25 y/o.

I have no idea who will win this game but I know this. It won't be a blow out by either team. I believe the score will be close to most of the games these 2 teams play. 30-27 27-24 type deal.

Here's to a good game Pats.

 

[flynismo]

I'm just curious enough for a follow up here:

In all 3 matches you just made, the Patriots player has the significant advantage. How do you expect the Ravens players to consistent win against players who that are outgunned against?

Actually, I think the Webb / Welker matchup is a great one. Seriously, don't be surprised if Welker doesn't do much.

JJ / Ed Reed being outgunned by Gronk is highly debateable, but if we are able to get good pressure on Brady...of course then it would go a long way to helping keep all these guys under control.

Hernandez is actually the guy who I think will be your most effective player against us. He's the one who I'm not sure how we are going to contain unless NE keeps him back in pass pro.

 

[flynismo]

..... and this right here demonstrates how little you know about our TE packages. Do you even have the first clue about how we utilize Gronk and Hernandez? Do you what what skill set each brings to the table?

No, you don't. You just know their names and wanted to use them in your little example.

p.s. I pray to god that your Ravens D is dumb enough to cover the leading receiver in the NFL with just Webb all game. We could go ahead and get our tickets for Indy right now if we knew that. But no, I don't think the Ravens are quite as dumb as you are.

It was sarcasm, jackass. I have no idea what we are going to do about him. But it's cute that your internet muscles are so big.

 

[Deus Irae]

Actually, I think the Webb / Welker matchup is a great one. Seriously, don't be surprised if Welker doesn't do much.

JJ / Ed Reed being outgunned by Gronk is highly debateable, but if we are able to get good pressure on Brady...of course then it would go a long way to helping keep all these guys under control.

Hernandez is actually the guy who I think will be your most effective player against us. He's the one who I'm not sure how we are going to contain unless NE keeps him back in pass pro.

Ok, so if we crack out the fantasy the way you have, we get a slanting in favor of Baltimore on 2 players that are better than anything Baltimore has on the field, and the player who was going to be getting knocked on his ass is now suddenly the most effective player?

Tell you what.... Get back to us when you want to have a legitimate discussion.

 

[flynismo]

Too many people relying on stats, this is exactly what we want you guys to think. And for the record, Brady has smashed that secondary time and time again.

Remember, other than that 1 playoff loss to a shell of our real team, you guys are 1-6 against Brady. We came back the next year and beat you guys with Deion Branch.

Give me a break. I could EASILY make excuses for half of those losses, but unlike a lot of you guys around here, I wont do that. I'll just say that even with all the "variables", you guys have escaped with wins. Now, a win is a win. But face the reality that one play here, one questionable flag there, and we are talking a whole new ball game.

Brady smashed our secondary? lmao...

 

[flynismo]

Ok, so if we crack out the fantasy the way you have, we get a slanting in favor of Baltimore on 2 players that are better than anything Baltimore has on the field, and the player who was going to be getting knocked on his ass is now suddenly the most effective player?

Tell you what.... Get back to us when you want to have a legitimate discussion.

Once again, it was sarcasm. Can you not read?

Get back to me when you get your head out of your ass if you think Welker is going to tear up a guy who is probably the best CB in the AFC not named Revis or Joseph; or if Ed Reed and Jarrett Johnson -- who is probably the best coverage LB in the NFL -- cant stop your little Gronki.

 

[Deus Irae]

Give me a break. I could EASILY make excuses for half of those losses, but unlike a lot of you guys around here, I wont do that. I'll just say that even with all the "variables", you guys have escaped with wins. Now, a win is a win. But face the reality that one play here, one questionable flag there, and we are talking a whole new ball game.

Brady smashed our secondary? lmao...

 

[flynismo]

No idea what that is supposed to mean.

 

[Deus Irae]

Once again, it was sarcasm. Can you not read?

Get back to me when you get your head out of your ass if you think Welker is going to tear up a guy who is probably the best CB in the AFC not named Revis or Joseph; or if Ed Reed and Jarrett Johnson -- who is probably the best coverage LB in the NFL -- cant stop your little Gronki.

First, you don't seem to understand what sarcasm is.

Second, stop with the "probably the best..." nonsense. You know it's nonsense. Ravens fans in general know it's nonsense. I'm sure even Webb and his family know it's nonsense.

Third, please name all the players who stopped Gronk one-on-one this season.