Two writers think Pats hiring McDaniels is unfair

[DEVIOUS 1]

Just as a continuation on this contrived story, feel free to check out the Denver Post this morning........Mike Klis and Woody Paige are a day away from dragging Arlen Spector into this mess.

The amusing part is I guess the Bronco's hired Mike Shannahan during the season back in the day after he was released by the Raiders. So, they did the same thing, but have a moral amnesia about it.

Woody Paige is on a cheating kick........Which again, for a team that twice was punished for cheating salary cap's seems, oh I don't know, kinda hypocritical.

 

[The Brandon Five]

Do people really think we gave McDaniels a multi-year contract to give us an advantage in one game against a team we already beat and that we might not even play?

What are we supposed to do? Replace BOB with someone who never worked with any of the potential playoff opponents? Good grief.

 

[The Brandon Five]

Woody Paige is on a cheating kick........Which again, for a team that twice was punished for cheating salary cap's seems, oh I don't know, kinda hypocritical.

I was thinking that it was more a function of his being a complete idiot.

 

[TruthSeeker]

That's a good example of something similar, but not exactly like what the Pats did. The outrage is coming from the fact that the Patriots picked up a guy who has a pretty intimate knowledge of the Broncos' system. It isn't because it was the Patriots who did it (despite the persecution complex of most of the fans in here). I doubt many would care if the Patriots went out and grabbed Todd Haley.

We've seen this exact sort of thing many times before, albeit with players who have been cut by a certain team being picked up by that team's upcoming opponent. Of course, in those instances, there are procedures and waivers that must be followed.

Fact is that this is a non-issue, but the Denver coumnists are getting people to talk about it anyway - which is exactly what they hoped to accomplish.

Actually, what the Patriots did was pick up their former OC after allowing their current OC to interview for and accept a college HC job. All this before the miracle in the highlands allowed the Broncos to travel to Foxboro this week.

Truly making a mountain out of a mole hill.

 

[The Brandon Five]

Fact is that this is a non-issue, but the Denver coumnists are getting people to talk about it anyway - which is exactly what they hoped to accomplish.

I guess that belies their lack of confidence in their team that they are already searching for excuses.

 

[The Brandon Five]

That's a good example of something similar, but not exactly like what the Pats did. The outrage is coming from the fact that the Patriots picked up a guy who has a pretty intimate knowledge of the Broncos' system. It isn't because it was the Patriots who did it (despite the persecution complex of most of the fans in here). I doubt many would care if the Patriots went out and grabbed Todd Haley.

I wouldn't take that bet.

McDaniels also has intimate knowledge of the Patriots system. I'm thinking it's very possible that that was a major factor in hiring him.

 

[BradyFTW!]

That's a good example of something similar, but not exactly like what the Pats did. The outrage is coming from the fact that the Patriots picked up a guy who has a pretty intimate knowledge of the Broncos' system. It isn't because it was the Patriots who did it (despite the persecution complex of most of the fans in here). I doubt many would care if the Patriots went out and grabbed Todd Haley.

We've seen this exact sort of thing many times before, albeit with players who have been cut by a certain team being picked up by that team's upcoming opponent. Of course, in those instances, there are procedures and waivers that must be followed.

Fact is that this is a non-issue, but the Denver coumnists are getting people to talk about it anyway - which is exactly what they hoped to accomplish.

Unless the Pats could see the future and happened to know that Houston and Denver would both win, then McDaniels' knowledge of Denver's personnel can't be why Belichick brought him in.

 

[Fencer]

There is nothing wrong with the Pats rehiring McDaniels, who worked under Belichick from 2001-08. When Mike Shanahan was fired as the Raiders' head coach four games into the 1989 season, he rejoined the Broncos as an offensive assistant coach later that same season.

Does Patriots' hiring of McDaniels violate spirit of fair play? - The Denver Post

 

[DarrylS]

Does the drafting of Hernandez and Spikes who practiced with Tebow every day for four years give us an unfair advantage???.. suspect that those two know him as well as McDaniels does..

After this is all part of the master plan..

 

[FreeTedWilliams]

Where were these guys when McDaniels used his knowledge of the Pats to beat them two years ago??? I'm pretty sure that McDaniels had mre knowledge about the Pats that he gave to the Broncos back then, than he has of the current Bronco's system.

Remember we signed Danny Woodhead just to pick his brain for a week to get info on the Jets....two years later, I'm pretty sure he is still here.

 

[SVN]

Morning Walk-Through: McDaniels, McDaniels!

 

[The Brandon Five]

Fox: McDaniels doesn't know our offense - New England Patriots Blog - ESPN Boston

Denver coach John Fox, though, doesn’t seemed worried that McDaniels, who was hired by the Pats away from his post as offensive coordinator with St. Louis after the Rams fired head coach Steve Spagnuolo following the regular-season finale, will be able to provide New England with any Broncos secrets.

“We change players and coaches a lot in this league. I think this is a lot about nothing,” said Fox during Tuesday’s conference call with the New England media.

Fox, who took over the reins in Denver this year, elaborated a little on his comments.

“I know Josh a little bit. It’s always better to be employed as coaches than unemployed. He doesn’t even know our offense. Our offense is completely different,” said Fox.

John, you're doing it wrong. Call Woody Paige at the Denver ESPNZone to get your talking points (he'll be at the bar).

 

[strngplyr]

Where were these guys when McDaniels used his knowledge of the Pats to beat them two years ago??? I'm pretty sure that McDaniels had mre knowledge about the Pats that he gave to the Broncos back then, than he has of the current Bronco's system.

Remember we signed Danny Woodhead just to pick his brain for a week to get info on the Jets....two years later, I'm pretty sure he is still here.

While I think that the current situation is a non story, I think you're missing the point.

McDaniels was hired as the Denver coach during the offseason.

Woodhead was brought in a a player that was cut.

The current "controversy" is that McDaniels is being brought in as an assistant coach during the playoffs (which is apparently gamesmanship even though he was hired before we knew we were facing Denver?). There is nothing in common with the two scenarios you named.

 

[Patriotic Fervor]

When has that happened in the NFL? We've seen several instances such where a playoff bound assistant coach or coordinator (such as O'Brien) interviews for, and even gets offered, other positions. But I can't think of an example where the coach just immediately up and left that team until that team's season was over. Like O'Brien, they finish out the year with their current team.

(NOTE: That sort of thing happens all the time to college programs where a coach jumps ship prior to a bowl game, but we're talking about the NFL here)

Two words: Chuck Fairbanks.

It did not happen during the playoffs, granted, but it did happen just before an important game.

They lost the game and the season.

Yeah, it happens...

 

[Wolfpack]

Two words: Chuck Fairbanks.

It did not happen during the playoffs, granted, but it did happen just before an important game.

They lost the game and the season.

Yeah, it happens...

IIRC, Fairbanks was suspended but he finished out the season with the team, coaching them in that year's playoffs. So that isn't really a situation where he took off and left the team in the lurch.

Of course, the fact that you had to go back 30 years to find an example - and one which doesn't even fit the criteria I asked for - pretty much proves the point I was making.

 

[kennyb]

Their offense has changed a lot, so I don't know how much help McDaniels could give...possibly some of the audibles are the same, probably not though.

So I see it as an argument only the ignorant would make.

Or maybe I'm ignorant?

 

[strngplyr]

IIRC, Fairbanks was suspended but he finished out the season with the team, coaching them in that year's playoffs. So that isn't really a situation where he took off and left the team in the lurch.

Of course, the fact that you had to go back 30 years to find an example - and one which doesn't even fit the criteria I asked for - pretty much proves the point I was making.

I already gave you an example from 2009.

 

[Wolfpack]

I already gave you an example from 2009.

No, he and I are talking about something else. Your example was to name when a team in the playoffs hired a coach who had just been fired by some other team that same year.

What I had asked him for is an example of an NFL coach (or assistant or coordinator) who took a position with some other club (or college team) and left before his old team's playoffs were over. What always happens, like with O'Brien, is the guy finishes his playoff run with the old team before moving on to the new one.

 

[Sciz]

Woody Paige's piece is disgustingly pathetic. I don't know how that guy has a job. It's the kind of garbage you'd see from a biased Jets fan on theganggreen.

 

[NinjaZX6R]

People in glass houses...

As bizarre as Josh McDaniels?’ return to New England midplayoffs may appear to folks in Denver, there is precedent for such a move.
And that precedent was here in Denver.
Mike Shanahan? was fired as the head coach of the Los Angeles Raiders? after going 1-3 in the first four games in 1989. Less than two weeks later, on Oct. 16, 1989, Shanahan was back in Denver as the team’s quarterbacks coach.

Mike Shanahan's return to Broncos during 1989 season did not cause controversy - The Denver Post