Tim Tebow's Pastor "God is saving the Broncos"

[JMarr]

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Find somewhere else to troll please.

 

[shmessy]

Find somewhere else to troll please.

The post was deleted and he/she's been warned.

 

[Fball]

I'm not religious in any way, but I think people misinterpret it when Tebow thanks God for a win.

It's not stating that God had any kind of rooting interest in the game. He's just giving credit for his own ability to believe in himself & have the confidence & belief to play well & win games; that's something HE gets from God, not the other way around. In his view, God is there for all players & all people to draw strength & belief from.

I don't really get Tebow hate. With all of the guys like Suh & Harrison, and drug issues, and egos & all of that, at least he's representing something that is basically positive.

 

[robbomango]

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I recommend this Tebow documentary for anyone that hasn't seen it. It's 45 minutes total documenting his senior year in high school. It's an epic piece done by espn, the same series that produced "The Brady 6".

This kid is one of the most competitive raging beasts on the field today and people think he's some kind of oversized Opie. Listen to the beginning you'll hear Tebow roar "WE CAN NOT BE STOPPED, I WILL NOT BE STOPPED".

He played a whole second half of football with a broken leg hobbling into the endzone for a TD to close out a game. There's no fluke in this kid.

The links to the video's are below, enjoy

Tim Tebow - The Chosen One 1 of 5 - YouTube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBkGZGVNqzg&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0A_OTqj0Hq8&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL

Tim Tebow - The Chosen One 4 of 5 - YouTube

Tim Tebow - The Chosen One 5 of 5 - YouTube

 

[TBradyOwnsYou]

I'm having a hard time toeing the line on this one. I guess to put it simply, my beef isn't in Tebow's religious beliefs; it's his supreme arrogance brought forth from, and exhibited through, his religious beliefs.

 

[mgteich]

I don't see the big deal with regard to Tebow's actions. His pastor's actions are despicable. The attacks of the media on Tebow are predictable. Both the pastor and the media seem to have their intolerant audiences to feed.

Faith is an important part of many of these young players. Many expect players (and others) to hide their faith, or at least not to express it publicly. That is a reasonable approach, but so is thanking God publicly.

It is NOT unusual to have folks thank God for their abilities, or their results, or for every touchdown. It is not unusual to see folks pointing to heaven when they score, or to be bowed in prayer in big play situations. It is not unusual for folks to cross themselves before, during and after games. It is a Hail Mary for a reason, as any fan of BC (or Notre Dame) can tell you. Many players are or will become ministers in their church.

It is not unusual for the players of both teams to get together on the field before the game and pray together. Players often pray before a game in the locker room. Players CERTAINLY offer thanks to God in interviews when asked how they could possibly have performed so well. Listen to Deion Sanders sometime on nfl.com. He has a very different view from many here.

And yes, it will indeed interesting to see the public reaction when a Muslim player publicly thanks God for his team's victory.

 

[Rob0729]

I am about as unreligious as you can get so I might not be the best person to comment on this, but I think attributing God to something as trivial as football games is just ridiculous. I thought the whole thing about most religions is that God gave us free will and we are all responsible for our own actions. Unless there is a specific clause in the Bible that exempts sporting events, that includes winning and losing football games.

God has nothing to do with the Broncos success. Isn't the idea that God would reward his devoted followers with superficial and material rewards like football wins and the spoils that go with it go against all of Jesus' preachings. Doesn't making Tebow into a false idol go against the Ten Commandments.

If anything, God would be against what Tebow is becoming and him rewarding Tebow with wins because of his devotion.

EDIT: I have no problem with Tebow praying or even thanking God. I just think it is stupid that people who think it is his faith that is making him win like his pastor said.

 

[primetime]

No, the fact is he puts it on himself by grandstanding his religion. I can't wait for one of the Muslim players to start praising Allah in his press conferences.

muslims would be flagged and fined for praying after a touchdown because going to two knees is taunting and 'going to ground' while one knee is not

cool league we got here

 

[BTTA]

muslims would be flagged and fined for praying after a touchdown because going to two knees is taunting and 'going to ground' while one knee is not

cool league we got here

Oh man, I'd love to see that happen. Would be worth the price of admission just for that. Yowsa.

 

[jays52]

There's a lot of dumb people in every section of the population. It's unfortunate that dumb people are attaching themselves to Tebow's faith, as he doesn't deserve that. Is he vocal about his faith? Sure, but I'm pretty sure that if I was home schooled by missionaries in Gainsville I would be too. In my mind his faith makes him the player that he is, and a good person to boot. Anyone who has that kind of powerful belief is going to have impressive resolve. It certainly helps that his programming also encourages him to better humanity. I don't like his recruitment, nor how vocal he is about it, but ultimately it's a good thing for him. This is the land of the free, and if he wants to praise a 30 foot tall bird with seven boobs then so be it.

Signed,

An agnostic-leaning atheist.

 

[patfanken]

My biggest problem with "people of faith", is not with their "faith", but their incessant need to tell you about it. While our country was build on "faith", the founding fathers were wise enough to insist that it remain STRICTLY a private matter between and INDIVIDUAL and their beliefs.

Now there is a segment of people in this country who have linked religion to power and influence. One's faith is no longer a matter between an individual and their "god", but a litmus test to determine whether you are "with us or against us".

You can sugar coat it all you want, but the fact remains, that Christians who believe as Tim Tebow does, think that if you don't believe everything THEY do, then you aren't good enough to join them in heaven and are damned to hell. Its "us" or "them" with these people. Tolerance of differences is just not allowed. According to their beliefs it is their 'duty" to get you to join with them and their beliefs.... kicking and screaming if necessary.

I don't hate Tim Tebow the man, for in many ways he embodies much of what is good about humanity. Courage, Determination, Perseverance and Leadership. But what I hate is the movement BEHIND the man. Its the same movement that brought the world the Crusades, Jihads, and Inquisitions that have killed MILLIONS all in the name of God.

I'm probably too old to see then next incarnation of the Inquisition, but its coming my friends and its coming sooner than you think.

 

[patfanken]

In a way I feel bad for Tebow, because I really think that his beliefs are genuine, and he has every right to express them. I've heard a lot fans and people in the media recently defend his right to profess his religion verbally the way he does, and it certainly is his right. But, if an Islamic player (and there are some in the NFL) who might be as high profile as Tebow were to say "Praise Allah" and bow toward Mecca as often as Tim verbalizes about ************ and kneels his with head bowed in the "Tebow" position, would the fans and media be as inclined to defend that player's right to do so? I'm not posing that as a rhetorical question, I'm just not sure.

He has EVERY right to practice his beliefs. What he DOESN'T have right to do is impose those beliefs on those who don't want to hear it. Its not like when the Jehovah'a Witnesses come to your door and you have a choice to listen or not. We all know about his beliefs by now, so his constant claims of Heavenly thanks is nothing more than proselytizing, and its NOT his right to use a football game as a vehicle to spread his view of what's right as far a religion goes.

Up until now, our nation did a pretty good job of not allowing a predominant faith, yet every week we are subjected to being made uncomfortable watching a game we love by someone who is not only exalting a God not everyone believes in, but a very narrow religious interpretation of that God.

Its not right and its not healthy for the body politic

 

[robbomango]

If people find Tebow annoying hit the mute button and don't read the headlines.

peace

 

[mgteich]

Some of the primary networks agree with you. That is why they never show players praying before or after game (except Penn State - Nebraska). They don't want God praised on camera, unless it is to point out how intolerant such views are. They try not to show players pointing to the heavens. For many of their customers, the mere suggestion of God is offensive, so they try to be sensitive to their desires.

nfl.com and the other sports networks take a different view.

Perhaps there is no commercially right or wrong view. Different networks take differnt views. Fans are free to choose to watch wherever they wish.

He has EVERY right to practice his beliefs. What he DOESN'T have right to do is impose those beliefs on those who don't want to hear it. Its not like when the Jehovah'a Witnesses come to your door and you have a choice to listen or not. We all know about his beliefs by now, so his constant claims of Heavenly thanks is nothing more than proselytizing, and its NOT his right to use a football game as a vehicle to spread his view of what's right as far a religion goes.

Up until now, our nation did a pretty good job of not allowing a predominant faith, yet every week we are subjected to being made uncomfortable watching a game we love by someone who is not only exalting a God not everyone believes in, but a very narrow religious interpretation of that God.

Its not right and its not healthy for the body politic

 

[ATippett56]

I'm probably too old to see then next incarnation of the Inquisition, but its coming my friends and its coming sooner than you think.

Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition .....

Monty Python - The Spanish Inquisition - YouTube

 

[Clonamery]

Its not right and its not healthy for the body politic

Cause it's not football. Which is Heaven sent.

 

[eagle eye]

There's a lot of dumb people in every section of the population. It's unfortunate that dumb people are attaching themselves to Tebow's faith, as he doesn't deserve that. Is he vocal about his faith? Sure, but I'm pretty sure that if I was home schooled by missionaries in Gainsville I would be too. In my mind his faith makes him the player that he is, and a good person to boot. Anyone who has that kind of powerful belief is going to have impressive resolve. It certainly helps that his programming also encourages him to better humanity. I don't like his recruitment, nor how vocal he is about it, but ultimately it's a good thing for him. This is the land of the free, and if he wants to praise a 30 foot tall bird with seven boobs then so be it.

Signed,

An agnostic-leaning atheist.

I was about to write something very similar but that'll do just nicely. And signed by the same type of person and all.

I'm a huge Teboiw fan by the way. Just love all those intangibles that he has. He just has that belief that he can succeed no matter whats put in his way.

 

[Tunescribe]

Some of the primary networks agree with you. That is why they never show players praying before or after game (except Penn State - Nebraska). They don't want God praised on camera, unless it is to point out how intolerant such views are. They try not to show players pointing to the heavens. For many of their customers, the mere suggestion of God is offensive, so they try to be sensitive to their desires.

I've said this before: none of this has anything to do with "God," but with Tebow's religion. Tebow is a fundamental religionist and uses his celebrity to promote that. I don't think people generally are intolerant of God, players praying, or even religionism per se -- live and let live. Where Tebow bugs folks is his ignoring the fact that spirituality is very personal and private matter to most of us. Tossing HIS beliefs in the public's collective face every time he's interviewed is neither humble nor in good taste. It just makes him look like a dogmatic puppet and it's only BECAUSE he's a pro athlete that most people tolerate it.

 

[Leave No Doubt]

I'm sure every QB has something he does to make him feel good before a game, for Tebow it's a prayer; whatever works and his teamates ought to be kissing his $ for being as good as he is. He's talented and it's a shame that this whole thing has become about religion. I don't really like the preaching part though.

And now with the very latest religious reference to Tebow winning the SB, discussed on Fox News btw so this whole thing is now on fire and WAY out of hand.
I think Goodel needs to say something

 

[larryo]

Tebow is a born again Christian. He is saved. They feel it is their duty to let the unwashed masses know about Jesus. He's not going to stop talking about his personal saviour JC. That's how the born agains roll.

I wish someone would ask him about dinosaurs and how old the earth is. Good stuff.