Just some defensive stats...take them for what they're worth

[goheels22002]

And????????

It gets better as the season wears on. The over under will be lower and with the Patriots offense struggling, we're likely to see some squeakers in the low 20s for each team.

If the defense gets stingier and builds some confidence, the playoffs are a real possibility and the matchup will be critical.

The team that has it really tough is AFC leading Cincinnati. Mostly cupcakes early and 4 of their final 8 against Pittsburgh and Baltimore. Good luck with that.

 

[alvinnf]

It gets better as the season wears on. The over under will be lower and with the Patriots offense struggling, we're likely to see some squeakers in the low 20s for each team.

If the defense gets stingier and builds some confidence, the playoffs are a real possibility and the matchup will be critical.

The team that has it really tough is AFC leading Cincinnati. Mostly cupcakes early and 4 of their final 8 against Pittsburgh and Baltimore. Good luck with that.

You must have quoted me by accident. But to your point I agree. This defense is going to get better and hopefully they will learn how to win the dirty games again. Games like Houston in I think 04 when they forced OT on 4th down and then won it in OT. Those where gritty teams and years, scrappin it out for every yard. Even in 05 when they had Monty bleepin Biesel at ILB they managed to turn it around and find their way to the playoffs. Even in that game in Denver where they turned over five times, they had that game on both sides of the ball until the Bailey pick six. So there it is, when you learn how to win those dirty games you have to take advantage of every opportunity and make few mistakes. But more importantly you have to have guys who play the game play to play collectively as a team. Not unit to unit.

 

[strngplyr]

Mayo's no Bru or Vrabel, and he never will be.

He doesn't have their passion, competitiveness, anticipation, leadership qualities, or football intelligence.

He'll never be the heart of a championship defense, because he doesn't have the heart of a champion.

Honestly, roly poly Vince is emerging as the defensive leader, which sucks because he's stuck staring at the opposing center's snot-dripping nose most of the game. He can't get back and tell everyone where to be and what to do.

All IMHO of course.

Do you know him personally? You sure sound like you're good buddies or something.

 

[IllegalContact]

So, in lieu of actually proving any of your baseless claims you've chosen to whine about how they're 'dead last'. Again, nice work.

dead last is dead last.....in that regard, they have not improved at all.....maybe they've given up a few less yards, but they also have gained fewer turnovers

so they are better on only the terms you can use to make your point, but they are not better. just because the last 4 games include one against sanchez and one against manning minus 2 starters, it does not make for any kind of marked improvement......they got torn a new one by the steelers 2 weeks ago where the steelers made it look too easy(minus hines ward).......tell yourself what you want, but that's what the pats defense is right now

 

[patsfaninpittsburgh]

dead last is dead last.....in that regard, they have not improved at all.....maybe they've given up a few less yards, but they also have gained fewer turnovers

so they are better on only the terms you can use to make your point, but they are not better. just because the last 4 games include one against sanchez and one against manning minus 2 starters, it does not make for any kind of marked improvement......they got torn a new one by the steelers 2 weeks ago where the steelers made it look too easy(minus hines ward).......tell yourself what you want, but that's what the pats defense is right now

Atleast we know where the idiot section stands on the issue.

Nothing like a loss to embolden the zeroes.

 

[IllegalContact]

Atleast we know where the idiot section stands on the issue.

Nothing like a loss to embolden the zeroes.

mmmmmmm......kool-aid

 

[Hitman Harris]

Atleast we know where the idiot section stands on the issue.

Nothing like a loss to embolden the zeroes.

Is that where you are sitting? His post was completely reasonable. I don't know how anyone can defend dead last continuing to be dead last as an improving unit.

 

[patsfaninpittsburgh]

Is that where you are sitting? His post was completely reasonable. I don't know how anyone can defend dead last continuing to be dead last as an improving unit.

I see you are curled up right next to him.

If it makes you feel any better, the pass defense is only 13 yards behind the 31st rank Packers pass offense.

The 8-0 Packers, that is.

There are three words in your post that are spot on.

 

[IllegalContact]

I see you are curled up right next to him.

If it makes you feel any better, the pass defense is only 13 yards behind the 31st rank Packers pass offense.

The 8-0 Packers, that is.

There are three words in your post that are spot on.

interesting how you need to spin things to proclaim improvement......love is blind

but I am starting to see what you are using for logic......

- start the season with a defensive roster full of crappy players = crappy defense
- then if you get rid of all the crappy players during the course of the season, then your defense will be better

 

[Rob0729]

Is that where you are sitting? His post was completely reasonable. I don't know how anyone can defend dead last continuing to be dead last as an improving unit.

Tell me the last time a the team who scored the fewer amount of points, but allowed more yards lose the game. The Pats have shaved a few points off their PPG allowed average since the first month of the year. They have improved on third down efficiency. They have improved exponentially on QB pressures and sacks. They are improving on opposing QB rating. They have given up far fewer plays of 20 plus yards.

Yes, if you ignore everything else including actually watching the games, the Pats aren't improving. Check that. Even though the Pats remain in last place in that ONE category, their average yards allowed has gone down exponentially. In the first four games, the Pats gave up 1,910 yards (477.5 YPG). In the last four games, the Pats have allowed 1420 yards (355 YPG). That is 25.7% decrease in yards allowed and 122.5 YPG decrease. That is a significant improvement.

The had the Jets go three and out seven times. They held the sixth ranked offense last week scoreless and allowed them to go into Patriots territory once in the first half last week (and that was a 6 yard, three and out drive that started on the Giants' 49 yard line). That is improvement right there.

But hey, let's not let the facts get in the way for you Jets fan (FYI to other posters, Hitman Harris is a Jets fan who posts on JI if you couldn't tell from his screen name).

 

[IllegalContact]

They have improved exponentially on QB pressures and sacks.

sacks first 4 games of the season = 7
sacks last 4 games of the season = 8 (and that counts a couple of laughers at the end of the steelers game....looked like roethlisberger was just rying to take time off the clock)

can you define exponentially?

while we're at it, the pats defense generated 9 turnovers in the 1st 4 games......only 5 in the last 4....

now the yards......there are other elements at work here, you know......
defense at home: 365 ypg
defense away: 466 ypg
so the fact that in the last 4 games (3 at home) are better than the first 4 game (3 away) has an explanation.....the pats have simply not had what you could even call a decent defensive showing on the road this yer, so no improvement there.....but nice try.

but feel free to keep spinning your spin and cheering your cheer......I am sure you will find some logical explanation for this.....probably blame whoever the pats cut in the offseason and then proceed to put yourself through this circus act again next year.

 

[Rob0729]

sacks first 4 games of the season = 7
sacks last 4 games of the season = 8 (and that counts a couple of laughers at the end of the steelers game....looked like roethlisberger was just rying to take time off the clock)

can you define exponentially?

while we're at it, the pats defense generated 9 turnovers in the 1st 4 games......only 5 in the last 4....

now the yards......there are other elements at work here, you know......
defense at home: 365 ypg
defense away: 466 ypg
so the fact that in the last 4 games (3 at home) are better than the first 4 game (3 away) has an explanation.....the pats have simply not had what you could even call a decent defensive showing on the road this yer, so no improvement there.....but nice try.

but feel free to keep spinning your spin and cheering your cheer......I am sure you will find some logical explanation for this.....probably blame whoever the pats cut in the offseason and then proceed to put yourself through this circus act again next year.

Ok, I screwed up on the sacks, but I think you have done enough spinning for the both of us in this thread.

BTW, the Pats gave up 425 yards to the Steelers which is their lowest road total of the season and less than what the Pats gave up at HOME against the Chargers (470). But hey, that is just spin.

I think you have proven that you will go to ridiculous levels to justify your position that this defense is just as bad at the start of the season.

 

[IllegalContact]

Ok, I screwed up on the sacks, but I think you have done enough spinning for the both of us in this thread.

BTW, the Pats gave up 425 yards to the Steelers which is their lowest road total of the season and less than what the Pats gave up at HOME against the Chargers. But hey, that is just spin.

it is just spin.....you lack the information to say they're any better.....if they were improving, you wouldn't be seeing vets getting axed every week at thispoint of the season.

so what now? watch as the defense continues to get 'better'.......against sanchez, painter, cassel, tebow, grossman.......what will that tell anyone?

so they're going to get to teh playoffs.....I have no doubt about that.....but this defense is not taking them anywhere

look at it this way........there are 19 teams in teh NFL AVERAGING better yards per game than what the pats gave in their 2nd best defensive performance of the season....which was aginast the giants who were minus bradshaw and nicks

I'm just not seeing it, and I AM watching

 

[Rob0729]

it is just spin.....you lack the information to say they're any better.....if they were improving, you wouldn't be seeing vets getting axed every week at thispoint of the season.

so what now? watch as the defense continues to get 'better'.......against sanchez, painter, cassel, tebow, grossman.......what will that tell anyone?

so they're going to get to teh playoffs.....I have no doubt about that.....but this defense is not taking them anywhere

LOL! I have already gone through this merry-go-round of lunacy with you. I''m getting off. If the Pats win Sunday, luckily no one will have to listen to you for a while.

You might want to go to Jets Insider to post because apparently your two biggest fans on this site are RayRay (Jetsfan1) and Hitman Harris who are both Jets homers on that site.

 

[Hitman Harris]

Tell me the last time a the team who scored the fewer amount of points, but allowed more yards lose the game. The Pats have shaved a few points off their PPG allowed average since the first month of the year. They have improved on third down efficiency. They have improved exponentially on QB pressures and sacks. They are improving on opposing QB rating. They have given up far fewer plays of 20 plus yards.

Yes, if you ignore everything else including actually watching the games, the Pats aren't improving. Check that. Even though the Pats remain in last place in that ONE category, their average yards allowed has gone down exponentially. In the first four games, the Pats gave up 1,910 yards (477.5 YPG). In the last four games, the Pats have allowed 1420 yards (355 YPG). That is 25.7% decrease in yards allowed and 122.5 YPG decrease. That is a significant improvement.

The had the Jets go three and out seven times. They held the sixth ranked offense last week scoreless and allowed them to go into Patriots territory once in the first half last week (and that was a 6 yard, three and out drive that started on the Giants' 49 yard line). That is improvement right there.

But hey, let's not let the facts get in the way for you Jets fan (FYI to other posters, Hitman Harris is a Jets fan who posts on JI if you couldn't tell from his screen name).

I actually post on TGG under a different username. YPG is the number 1 statistic to define a defense but while there are a few tiny tiny improvements there is also one category you failed to mention and that is you guys have forced far less turnovers lately. The one thing I was impressed about by your defense earlier in the season was even though people were moving the ball on you you always seemed to get that important turnover. Not so much anymore.

 

[IllegalContact]

LOL! I have already gone through this merry-go-round of lunacy with you. I''m getting off. If the Pats win Sunday, luckily no one will have to listen to you for a while.

You might want to go to Jets Insider to post because apparently your two biggest fans on this site are RayRay (Jetsfan1) and Hitman Harris who are both Jets homers on that site.

LOL......I've heard that before

 

[JJDChE]

interesting how you need to spin things to proclaim improvement......love is blind

The defense has allowed 122 yds per game less in games 4-8. There it is, black and white. No spin necessary.

Games 1-4: 477.5 YAPG
Games 5-8: 355 YAPG

Why do you refuse to admit that the defense has made a marked improvement at restricting teams moving the ball in spite of the obvious and compelling evidence right in front of your face?

 

[Hitman Harris]

it is just spin.....you lack the information to say they're any better.....if they were improving, you wouldn't be seeing vets getting axed every week at thispoint of the season.

so what now? watch as the defense continues to get 'better'.......against sanchez, painter, cassel, tebow, grossman.......what will that tell anyone?

so they're going to get to teh playoffs.....I have no doubt about that.....but this defense is not taking them anywhere

look at it this way........there are 19 teams in teh NFL AVERAGING better yards per game than what the pats gave in their 2nd best defensive performance of the season....which was aginast the giants who were minus bradshaw and nicks

I'm just not seeing it, and I AM watching

The Giants were also missing their starting center.

 

[IllegalContact]

The defense has allowed 122 yds per game less in games 4-8. There it is, black and white. No spin necessary.

Games 1-4: 477.5 YAPG
Games 5-8: 355 YAPG

Why do you refuse to admit that the defense has made a marked improvement at restricting teams moving the ball in spite of the obvious and compelling evidence right in front of your face?

what does ot all mean, batgirl?

home: 365ypg.....3 home games weeks 5-8
away: 466ypg.....3 away games weeks 1-4

what it means is that the numbers are skewed because of where they played and really nothing else

 

[patsfaninpittsburgh]

interesting how you need to spin things to proclaim improvement......love is blind

but I am starting to see what you are using for logic......

- start the season with a defensive roster full of crappy players = crappy defense
- then if you get rid of all the crappy players during the course of the season, then your defense will be better

My "logic" consists of developing an applicable set of objective measurements and using them to make subjective determinations.

That's in sharp contrast to your method of being an angry zero who posts nonsense on patsfans.com

You seem to have a certain fixation on the game in Pittsburgh. I'll pose the challenge to you that posed to another eunuch earlier in the week.

Compare and post the performance of the New England and Baltimore defenses the past two weeks in Pittsburgh:

Points allowed
Turnovers
Sacks
Total Yards
Passing Yards
Third Down Conversion

Ofcourse, you could not accept the challenge and just admit you are bitter eunuch sitting at the computer.

It's on you.