Silver [Mod Edit: Jason Cole]: Mallett will never play a meaningful down in NE

[MoLewisrocks]

Comparing his situation to Pryor's - who he thinks will never play a meaningful down anywhere because he landed in the worst possible environment for an immature, entitled albeit talented kid.

Solderking won't like this assessment...

That’s what the Patriots will do with Mallett. On the first week of training camp, New England coach Bill Belichick was in the middle working with all the quarterbacks, even Mallett. That’s not because Belichick is getting ready to replace Tom Brady tomorrow. (People close to Belichick think Mallett will never play a meaningful down for the Patriots.)

“I know Bill took that kid just because he knows he can turn him into something more later on,” another general manager said. “All the concerns about that kid’s attitude … he won’t be there long enough for that to have an impact on the locker room. Bill will get him ready, put him on display in some exhibition games and then trade him away for a first-round pick or something like that.”

In the meantime, Mallett will hopefully benefit from just being around guys like Belichick and Brady. Perhaps something about their seriousness will rub off on him. Mallett needs it a lot more than people close to him are willing to admit. Aside from the sordid tales of him from college, the latest story about him was the all-night partying he did at the NFL Players Association rookie symposium in Sarasota, Fla., in July, according to two sources.

There’s nothing wrong with a 20-something doing a little partying. However, when that’s a black mark on your reputation and you’re now trying to make it in the NFL, you’d think one would change that a little. Now that Mallett is with the Patriots, he will either learn or get kicked to the curb.

Pryor likely stuck in dead end with Raiders - NFL - Yahoo! Sports

 

[Rob0729]

Re: Silver: Mallett will never a meaningful down in NE

I think the plan is to trade him at some point for a higher draft pick. Many thought he was the most talented QB in the draft, but the knocks on him was his mobility (which he has disproved a bit this preseason) and his maturity. If he can beef up a bit and show he has grown as a person, there might be several teams next year willing to give up their first round pick for him especially if they lose out on the Andrew Luck sweepstakes.

 

[captain stone]

Re: Silver: Mallett will never a meaningful down in NE

I think that the Unibrow sux, but I do hope that Mallett never plays a meaningful down for the NEP, either...because that will mean that Brady has stayed healthy & effective.

Mallett for a 2013 or 2014 2nd-rounder? Sounds good to me.

 

[WhiZa]

Re: Silver: Mallett will never a meaningful down in NE

It's cute when someone thinks they know what BB is thinking

 

[convertedpatsfan]

Re: Silver: Mallett will never a meaningful down in NE

Bear in mind this is the same Michael Silver who fabricated a story about the disconnect between Brady and the Patriots 3 months before he would sign an extension making him the highest-paid player in the NFL.

Mallett is under contract for several more years, and considering how rapidly things change, there's no way anyone, not even BB, can know the answer of whether he will play a single meaningful down for the Patriots. And there's no way in hell Silver, or his source (if he even has one and isn't just making stuff up) would know either.

I find the "logic" behind it ridiculous too. When has BB dressed up a player and paraded him out there in the exhibition in hopes of getting something? He certainly didn't do it with his last 3rd-round QB (Kevin O'Connell) and he sure as hell isn't going to do it with Mallett. The kid will have to earn every snap he plays.

 

[PatsChamp88]

Re: Silver: Mallett will never a meaningful down in NE

Why did I open this thread :nono:

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Re: Silver: Mallett will never a meaningful down in NE

Silver didn't necessarily fabricate that story. Good chance he was relaying a third party message. He does seem to have access and relationships here, moreso on the management side than the Brady side which was his initial inroad.

And 3 isn't several... And what Bill does with any player is situational... If it is his intent to cash in on a players trade value, which I don't think has ever been the case to date, he may well showcase him within the confines of the system. It's not like he'd ever switch defensively to a 4-3 1 gap or anything...

I think he was probably disgusted with KOC coming off a season when he'd been handed the backup job as a rookie. Nothing there to showcase... And it's all relative. What you would do to land another first isn't the same as what you could be bothered doing to land another mid to late round pick.

 

[Gwedd]

Re: Silver: Mallett will never a meaningful down in NE

Silver didn't necessarily fabricate that story. Good chance he was relaying a third party message. He does seem to have access and relationships here, moreso on the management side than the Brady side which was his initial inroad.

And 3 isn't several... And what Bill does with any player is situational... If it is his intent to cash in on a players trade value, which I don't think has ever been the case to date, he may well showcase him within the confines of the system. It's not like he'd ever switch defensively to a 4-3 1 gap or anything...

I think he was probably disgusted with KOC coming off a season when he'd been handed the backup job as a rookie. Nothing there to showcase... And it's all relative. What you would do to land another first isn't the same as what you could be bothered doing to land another mid to late round pick.

I would go further and say that it isn't out of the question for Coach to develop or install a few plays here and there to use Mallett. Again, situational football. If there is some particular situation, say against a certain formation or package of players, or down & distance, or whatever, where he feels using Mallett might give him and edge, then yeah..... I can see Coach putting him in.

Plus it's also long-term insurance. While Mallett isn't a journeyman NFL QB yet, he can grow into the role and if something happens to TFB where Hoyer had to play, Mallett would be a good backup for him and a nice change-up for him as well.

 

[unoriginal]

Re: Silver: Mallett will never a meaningful down in NE

In order for Belichick to make money on his 2011 3rd round pick, he'd have to flip it for a 1st (or equivalent value) sometime in the next two years. Otherwise he'd have gotten the same value just by trading the pick forward.

There's more to the investment than just an eye towards a future trade. Mallet will probably be here for at least three years, filling the backup role for two of them.

 

[convertedpatsfan]

Re: Silver: Mallett will never a meaningful down in NE

Mo: There was definitely some frustration for Brady and it may have found it's way into Silver's story, but the writing throughout is filled with qualifiers and suggestions and hints, not much really concrete. I don't want to re-hash every bit, but this section in particular stood out:

It would help if the two sides started talking, but right now there is insecurity in the air. With the specter of a work stoppage following the 2010 season looming, Brady’s situation seems entwined with the uncertain labor landscape, to the point where he could be angling toward prospective free agency after a new collective bargaining agreement is reached.

My instincts tell me this is a remote possibility.

As for the Mallett story, I doubt a rival GM knows what BB is thinking of doing with Mallett. But even if he did, that doesn't mean that will happen. Brady could get hurt and then Hoyer is the starter with Mallett as the back-up. Or maybe someone trades for Hoyer and then Mallett is the back-up. Or maybe Mallett does a ton of drugs one night and gets cut the next day. Nobody really knows what the future holds, and your guess is as good as mine or Michael Silver's, maybe even better.

 

[TheSolderKing]

Re: Silver: Mallett will never a meaningful down in NE

didn't a rival/NFL GM also say "1 of Haynesworth and Ochocinco will get cut"???


lol @ this thread

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Re: Silver: Mallett will never a meaningful down in NE

I would go further and say that it isn't out of the question for Coach to develop or install a few plays here and there to use Mallett. Again, situational football. If there is some particular situation, say against a certain formation or package of players, or down & distance, or whatever, where he feels using Mallett might give him and edge, then yeah..... I can see Coach putting him in.

Plus it's also long-term insurance. While Mallett isn't a journeyman NFL QB yet, he can grow into the role and if something happens to TFB where Hoyer had to play, Mallett would be a good backup for him and a nice change-up for him as well.

No, he won't do that because that would constitute a meaningful down. This team is never better off situationally with anyone not named TFB under center... What he might do if he thinks Mallett has earned it or can handle it is use him late in blowouts or a meaningless week 17 game. But even that's a stretch for BB regular season since his GOAT hates to come out and Hoyer benefits more from those snaps in the present and BB believes that football players play football...

He'll be showcased in pre season games, although it will still depend on what the current team needs to work on situationally. I don't see him getting traded in 2012 unless someone blows Bill out of the water with a #1 and Bill has located another solid developmental QB in the 2012 draft. Hoyer will be the trade bait in 2012 wearing a 2nd round RFA tender and probably available for a 3 or some interesting conditional pick - unless BB isn't pleased with Mallett's development. In which case Hoyer isn't going anywhere in 2012...

 

[BradyFTW!]

Re: Silver: Mallett will never a meaningful down in NE

Maybe Mallett won't play a meaningful down for the Pats. But since the FO can't see into the future and magically know that Brady won't ever get hurt, I think we can all agree that having a backup QB is a good idea. A great deal of his value has to be tied up in that, IMO.

I don't buy the flipping argument (exclusively) for a couple of reasons. It's most likely outcome of Mallett's career here, but there's no way it's the only reason they drafted him. Belichick could turn that third round pick into a first-rounder within two years just by trading it forward. So unless Mallett is worth a first rounder next year, or unless Belichick's able to use Mallett to specifically go after a top-5 pick in 2 years, then he could have achieved the same result without wasting a spot on the 53 and assuming that a player will develop as anticipated.

That said, I do like that New England is coming to be considered a QB factory. That can only help us in the next few years.

 

[patfanken]

Re: Silver: Mallett will never a meaningful down in NE

You know I dislike Silver as much as the next guy, but this article was written by Jason Cole, and while I think he went overboard highlighting Mallet's ALLEGED indiscretions, his basic premise remains valid.

Mallet will, barring injury, likely never see a meaningful snap while under his rookie contract. Why would he? His value is going to be 3 years as a back up. Then 4 years from now one of 2 things will happen. He will be traded to some team for a first or 2nd round draft pick, OR Brady, after this contract is done, will retire or leave to be the face of the new LA franchise,and Mallet is ready to replace him.

Either way, the situation is perfect for Mallet. He now has the time to mature as a man, and develop his skills at one of the best QB academies in the league UNDER the radar.

As for whether we get "true value" back in a trade is kind of irrelevant. He will add REAL value as an above average back up to the GOAT. The only way we "get value" as in draft points, is if he starts 5+ games over the next 4 years....and plays well.

In the end this isn't about making a score in draft value. Its about adding talent to a roster that will allow you to maximize your options into the future.

 

[AzPatsFan]

Re: Silver: Mallett will never a meaningful down in NE

Silver didn't necessarily fabricate that story. Good chance he was relaying a third party message. He does seem to have access and relationships here, moreso on the management side than the Brady side which was his initial inroad.

And 3 isn't several... And what Bill does with any player is situational... If it is his intent to cash in on a players trade value, which I don't think has ever been the case to date, he may well showcase him within the confines of the system. It's not like he'd ever switch defensively to a 4-3 1 gap or anything...

I think he was probably disgusted with KOC coming off a season when he'd been handed the backup job as a rookie. Nothing there to showcase... And it's all relative. What you would do to land another first isn't the same as what you could be bothered doing to land another mid to late round pick.

Your view is the only thing that makes any sense. Otherwise, Mr. Silva's remarks edge on being banal and unknowable.

But I object to the constant "rumors" that turn out not to have any substance. He was rumored to be hated by teammates and never displayed any leadership,so they snubbed him. The constant rumor and innuendo he was snubbed by never elected a team captain, for instance.

Yet his fellow teamates elected him captain twice as his Arkansas Coach has affirmed.

It was rumored he Had to leave Michigan for unknown, but seemingly nefarious reasons. But it was well known that Lloyd Carr retired, and the new Coach wanted to run a Wildcat and had created Pat White as his ideal of a Wildcat, All American (and a notable failure in the NFL.) It was predicatble that a slow, pocket QB might transfer; and a smart one would do so. And Mallett did.

I question the rumors of "drug use", when there in no evidence by arrest, or otherwise as to its validity,as areason to transfer..

I suspect it is idiot journos, (what redundancy!) piling on, and constantly repeating and exagerating rumors, that they are prone to do. But it did scare some NFL Front Offices, enough to bypass his selection and let him fall.

All the better for our Patriots and a Coach willing to gamble on a skinny QB who was not even the favorite on a Team where he won Bowl games.

 

[upstater1]

Re: Silver: Mallett will never a meaningful down in NE

Did Brett Favre ever party?

 

[Patriot_in_NY]

Re: Silver: Mallett will never a meaningful down in NE

I know it's these guys job to write articles........ but when they have nothing important to write, they should be likewise be paid NOT to write too. Gee, Jason...... the 3rd QB, that plays behind the GOAT, might not ever play a "meaningful down" for NE, and BB will trade him for a 1st round pick if he can develop him.

Wow........ Groundbreaking insight Jason.

 

[BradyFTW!]

Re: Silver: Mallett will never a meaningful down in NE

You know I dislike Silver as much as the next guy, but this article was written by Jason Cole, and while I think he went overboard highlighting Mallet's ALLEGED indiscretions, his basic premise remains valid.

Mallet will, barring injury, likely never see a meaningful snap while under his rookie contract. Why would he? His value is going to be 3 years as a back up. Then 4 years from now one of 2 things will happen. He will be traded to some team for a first or 2nd round draft pick, OR Brady, after this contract is done, will retire or leave to be the face of the new LA franchise,and Mallet is ready to replace him.

Either way, the situation is perfect for Mallet. He now has the time to mature as a man, and develop his skills at one of the best QB academies in the league UNDER the radar.

As for whether we get "true value" back in a trade is kind of irrelevant. He will add REAL value as an above average back up to the GOAT. The only way we "get value" as in draft points, is if he starts 5+ games over the next 4 years....and plays well.

In the end this isn't about making a score in draft value. Its about adding talent to a roster that will allow you to maximize your options into the future.

Investing a third round pick now so that you can trade it for a second in 3 years is hardly maximizing draft value. Just by trading picks as he always does, Belichick could probably turn that third rounder into a first + second in 3 years.

The "barring injury" part of your post, IMO, is where the other huge part of his value lies. We like to assume the best-case scenario, and ignore that Brady could get hurt, but Belichick doesn't ignore things like that. Quarterbacks get hurt, and teams that don't have a viable backup option are playing with fire everytime they take the field.

If at some point Brady misses 5 games with some miscellaneous injury, having somebody who can go 3-2 or 4-1 in his absence could easily be the difference between making and missing the playoffs.

 

[Patsfanin Philly]

Re: Silver: Mallett will never a meaningful down in NE

You know I dislike Silver as much as the next guy, but this article was written by Jason Cole, and while I think he went overboard highlighting Mallet's ALLEGED indiscretions, his basic premise remains valid. .........

Either way, the situation is perfect for Mallet. He now has the time to mature as a man, and develop his skills at one of the best QB academies in the league UNDER the radar.
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Agreed. The funny thing is that it comes out now, nearly a month later when at the time all we heard and saw was a picture of Mallett and Chiefs first round pick doing charity work at the YMCA........
Random picture of the day: Patriots rookie Ryan Mallett takes part in a community service event

 

[Ring 6]

Re: Silver: Mallett will never a meaningful down in NE

Silver didn't necessarily fabricate that story. Good chance he was relaying a third party message. He does seem to have access and relationships here, moreso on the management side than the Brady side which was his initial inroad.

And 3 isn't several... And what Bill does with any player is situational... If it is his intent to cash in on a players trade value, which I don't think has ever been the case to date, he may well showcase him within the confines of the system. It's not like he'd ever switch defensively to a 4-3 1 gap or anything...

I think he was probably disgusted with KOC coming off a season when he'd been handed the backup job as a rookie. Nothing there to showcase... And it's all relative. What you would do to land another first isn't the same as what you could be bothered doing to land another mid to late round pick.

Kind of hard to conclude he didnt fabricate a story with no identified source that turned out to be 100% wrong.
I think it blatantly obvious that his Mallett take is also him sitting in a room coming up with an opinion. There is nothing wrong with that, until pepole start taking it as more than it is.