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you can no longer attribute the injury to welker's drops

earlier on in the season sure, but not any more since he hasnt had that number of drops for a month before the bills game

its actually very weird to see, but lets just hope the guy had a bad game
 
I don't have time to check myself, but isn't this stat only meaningful in relation to the number of catchable balls thrown? If Brady throws more often than other QB's, isn't the result skewed?
 
you can no longer attribute the injury to welker's drops

earlier on in the season sure, but not any more since he hasnt had that number of drops for a month before the bills game

its actually very weird to see, but lets just hope the guy had a bad game

This is what I was thinking while reading this thread and some of the posters "reasons" for Welkers drops.

I'm sorry but his knee or thinking about his knee has nothing to do with his drops, especially when the pass hits him right in the hands or numbers. He is just flat out dropping passes. Very disappointing to see but it's reality. Hopefully he can eliminate those as they go in the playoffs.
 
But as we return to the old school style of Patriots football, where we play smarter and don't beat ourselves, we need to get better in this area.

I don't see how we've beaten ourselves since we haven't turned the ball over in the last 9 games.
 
I don't have time to check myself, but isn't this stat only meaningful in relation to the number of catchable balls thrown? If Brady throws more often than other QB's, isn't the result skewed?

Yea I think for statistical purposes there is "catch zone" that is used to discern catchable throws from those that are uncatchable. Kind of like zone factor for fielding in baseball.
 
Brady throws a hard ball to catch. The fact he passes so much and completes so many and still has drops is a testament to him.

Some QBs throw a very catchable ball with a lot of touch. Eason was great at that. This isn't a knock on Eason. Being able to lead the receiver and have that ball drop down in his hands like a snowflake is a great skill, if you're accurate.

Brady has always thrown darts, and can also throw touch passes and the long ball. He's a great QB.

His ability to throw darts to difficult spots means his receivers have to really work at catching the ball. It also means much less opportunity for interceptions. Not every category is meaningful in and of itself. Welkers struggling a bit, while other receivers are making tough catches.

It's a down. Not a real big deal in the scheme of things, compared to interceptions, when you're QB is having a tremendous season by almost any measure.

You need to make friends with the juggs machine when you work with Brady. those passes often aren't intended to be easy to catch. They're intended to be a lot easier for you than for the defense.
 
how do edelman and tate not even make the list? i call BS.
 
Am I right in saying that Wes used a new visor this week.

Might have caused the sharp increase this week
 
I don't see how we've beaten ourselves since we haven't turned the ball over in the last 9 games.

True, but sometimes drops can become INTs with the wrong bounce. It happened a few weeks ago in the Packers/Lions game when Rogers threw a gorgeous pass that bounced off the receiver's hands and into the defensive back's hands.

The back-to-back drops from Wes killed a promising drive. Tate had a big drop a few weeks ago (was it against the Lions?) that killed another drive on 3rd down. Simply, they're mental mistakes that hurt your team, just like penalties.

how do edelman and tate not even make the list? i call BS.

I don't think they get enough targets to be on the list. While it's an inexact science, my understanding is they give the benefit of the doubt to the guy if there is a lot of contact and whatnot, so it's mostly pure drops. Tate and Edelman have each had a few, but they don't get on the field much, let alone see a lot of passes from Brady.
 
you can no longer attribute the injury to welker's drops

earlier on in the season sure, but not any more since he hasnt had that number of drops for a month before the bills game

its actually very weird to see, but lets just hope the guy had a bad game

Not sure if you ever have had a knee injury, but in my senior college season, I tore my ACL. MCL and PCL. And I can tell you from first hand experience, that when you come back cutting is the hardest part and sometimes you feel tweaks of shooting pain. Those tweaks can and will disrupt your concentration.

Don't know if Welker is feeling that, or suffering from late season flash backs, but I think it is too early to say the injury is behind him 100%.
 
Not sure if you ever have had a knee injury, but in my senior college season, I tore my ACL. MCL and PCL. And I can tell you from first hand experience, that when you come back cutting is the hardest part and sometimes you feel tweaks of shooting pain. Those tweaks can and will disrupt your concentration.

Don't know if Welker is feeling that, or suffering from late season flash backs, but I think it is too early to say the injury is behind him 100%.


Totally agree. If those tweaks of shooting pain consistently happened then it would probably be easier to get adjusted to. Therein lies the problem, they don't happen every time and it really does mess with your thinking.

Great, now I sound like the stereotypical old guy with an old football injury,

"Back when I was playing ball........."
 
Not sure if you ever have had a knee injury, but in my senior college season, I tore my ACL. MCL and PCL. And I can tell you from first hand experience, that when you come back cutting is the hardest part and sometimes you feel tweaks of shooting pain. Those tweaks can and will disrupt your concentration.

Don't know if Welker is feeling that, or suffering from late season flash backs, but I think it is too early to say the injury is behind him 100%.

Totally agree. If those tweaks of shooting pain consistently happened then it would probably be easier to get adjusted to. Therein lies the problem, they don't happen every time and it really does mess with your thinking.

Great, now I sound like the stereotypical old guy with an old football injury,

"Back when I was playing ball........."

In addition to lingering pains and psychological uncertainty about the knee providing distraction, there also remains the likelihood that Welker is still being bothered by what's usually the primary obstacle in recovery from this type of issue, that of the slow restoration of proprioception to the joint. Proprioception is a function of the nervous system that tells the brain information about the body's muscular and skeletal systems positioning relative to itself. Its the reason why you can touch your nose with your eyes closed as easy as if it were open, and why you don't need to consciously think about how to best stabilize your knee when you're running, you just know.

The ACL is full of small proprioceptive nerve endings that send signals back to the lower brain about its mechanical status. When the ACL tears, these nerves are torn, and the brain no longer gets the signals it relies on to autonomically keep the knee stabilized while running and cutting. Fortunately, our brains are able to adapt to the incomplete information its getting from the knee and learn to use the proprioceptive nerves from other parts of the knee -- the meniscus, patellar tendon, undamaged ligaments -- to perform its regular motor functions.

This takes requires both time and specialized training, however, and is why athletes are usually still in the process of recovery over a year after the initial tear. While playing with incomplete proprioception in his knee, Welker has had to get used to constantly devoting some of his more active, conscious attention to what's going on with his knee. Nothing he does with his knee is as quite as instinctive as it was, and this throws off the rest of his playing mechanics that used to come so automatically.

The fact that he's played through this as well as he has over the course of the season is the anomaly, not the fact that he's still not 100%.
 
In addition to lingering pains and psychological uncertainty about the knee providing distraction, there also remains the likelihood that Welker is still being bothered by what's usually the primary obstacle in recovery from this type of issue, that of the slow restoration of proprioception to the joint. Proprioception is a function of the nervous system that tells the brain information about the body's muscular and skeletal systems positioning relative to itself. Its the reason why you can touch your nose with your eyes closed as easy as if it were open, and why you don't need to consciously think about how to best stabilize your knee when you're running, you just know.

The ACL is full of small proprioceptive nerve endings that send signals back to the lower brain about its mechanical status. When the ACL tears, these nerves are torn, and the brain no longer gets the signals it relies on to autonomically keep the knee stabilized while running and cutting. Fortunately, our brains are able to adapt to the incomplete information its getting from the knee and learn to use the proprioceptive nerves from other parts of the knee -- the meniscus, patellar tendon, undamaged ligaments -- to perform its regular motor functions.

This takes requires both time and specialized training, however, and is why athletes are usually still in the process of recovery over a year after the initial tear. While playing with incomplete proprioception in his knee, Welker has had to get used to constantly devoting some of his more active, conscious attention to what's going on with his knee. Nothing he does with his knee is as quite as instinctive as it was, and this throws off the rest of his playing mechanics that used to come so automatically.

The fact that he's played through this as well as he has over the course of the season is the anomaly, not the fact that he's still not 100%.

Good post, lamafist. Very informative.
 
In addition to lingering pains and psychological uncertainty about the knee providing distraction, there also remains the likelihood that Welker is still being bothered by what's usually the primary obstacle in recovery from this type of issue, that of the slow restoration of proprioception to the joint. Proprioception is a function of the nervous system that tells the brain information about the body's muscular and skeletal systems positioning relative to itself. Its the reason why you can touch your nose with your eyes closed as easy as if it were open, and why you don't need to consciously think about how to best stabilize your knee when you're running, you just know.

The ACL is full of small proprioceptive nerve endings that send signals back to the lower brain about its mechanical status. When the ACL tears, these nerves are torn, and the brain no longer gets the signals it relies on to autonomically keep the knee stabilized while running and cutting. Fortunately, our brains are able to adapt to the incomplete information its getting from the knee and learn to use the proprioceptive nerves from other parts of the knee -- the meniscus, patellar tendon, undamaged ligaments -- to perform its regular motor functions.

This takes requires both time and specialized training, however, and is why athletes are usually still in the process of recovery over a year after the initial tear. While playing with incomplete proprioception in his knee, Welker has had to get used to constantly devoting some of his more active, conscious attention to what's going on with his knee. Nothing he does with his knee is as quite as instinctive as it was, and this throws off the rest of his playing mechanics that used to come so automatically.

The fact that he's played through this as well as he has over the course of the season is the anomaly, not the fact that he's still not 100%.

Thank you. That was really interesting!

Now for a layman's approach again -- could Welker be more guilty than usual of thinking about what he'll do after catching the ball before he catches it, because the cuts he'll make WILL require more thinking on his part?
 
In addition to lingering pains and psychological uncertainty about the knee providing distraction, there also remains the likelihood that Welker is still being bothered by what's usually the primary obstacle in recovery from this type of issue, that of the slow restoration of proprioception to the joint. Proprioception is a function of the nervous system that tells the brain information about the body's muscular and skeletal systems positioning relative to itself. Its the reason why you can touch your nose with your eyes closed as easy as if it were open, and why you don't need to consciously think about how to best stabilize your knee when you're running, you just know.

The ACL is full of small proprioceptive nerve endings that send signals back to the lower brain about its mechanical status. When the ACL tears, these nerves are torn, and the brain no longer gets the signals it relies on to autonomically keep the knee stabilized while running and cutting. Fortunately, our brains are able to adapt to the incomplete information its getting from the knee and learn to use the proprioceptive nerves from other parts of the knee -- the meniscus, patellar tendon, undamaged ligaments -- to perform its regular motor functions.

This takes requires both time and specialized training, however, and is why athletes are usually still in the process of recovery over a year after the initial tear. While playing with incomplete proprioception in his knee, Welker has had to get used to constantly devoting some of his more active, conscious attention to what's going on with his knee. Nothing he does with his knee is as quite as instinctive as it was, and this throws off the rest of his playing mechanics that used to come so automatically.

The fact that he's played through this as well as he has over the course of the season is the anomaly, not the fact that he's still not 100%.
One of the best posts I've read this month. Thanks for sharing.
 
I think Edelman needs to calm down a bit. I recall a couple times this season when he was wide open and instead of making the catch first, he was already turning his head around to run and had the ball go through his hands.
 
In addition to lingering pains and psychological uncertainty about the knee providing distraction, there also remains the likelihood that Welker is still being bothered by what's usually the primary obstacle in recovery from this type of issue, that of the slow restoration of proprioception to the joint. Proprioception is a function of the nervous system that tells the brain information about the body's muscular and skeletal systems positioning relative to itself. Its the reason why you can touch your nose with your eyes closed as easy as if it were open, and why you don't need to consciously think about how to best stabilize your knee when you're running, you just know.

The ACL is full of small proprioceptive nerve endings that send signals back to the lower brain about its mechanical status. When the ACL tears, these nerves are torn, and the brain no longer gets the signals it relies on to autonomically keep the knee stabilized while running and cutting. Fortunately, our brains are able to adapt to the incomplete information its getting from the knee and learn to use the proprioceptive nerves from other parts of the knee -- the meniscus, patellar tendon, undamaged ligaments -- to perform its regular motor functions.

This takes requires both time and specialized training, however, and is why athletes are usually still in the process of recovery over a year after the initial tear. While playing with incomplete proprioception in his knee, Welker has had to get used to constantly devoting some of his more active, conscious attention to what's going on with his knee. Nothing he does with his knee is as quite as instinctive as it was, and this throws off the rest of his playing mechanics that used to come so automatically.

The fact that he's played through this as well as he has over the course of the season is the anomaly, not the fact that he's still not 100%.

We obviously would like to know if you're a doctor.

We have a ton of amateur docs here, but I'm really curious as to your expertise.
 
True, but sometimes drops can become INTs with the wrong bounce.

Not the hardest to catch Brady throws. There are bad drops, but hard low throws are typical tough catches from Brady. No accident he always has low Int #s.
 
Patriots 2nd in NFL in dropped passes - New England Patriots Blog - ESPN Boston

According to ESPN stats, the Pats have 18 drops, well ahead of the 12.4 league average. Only the Lions are ahead of us with 22 drops.

Moss had 5 while he was here, but Welker also has 5, another sign that he's not exactly 100%.

Brady's completion percentage is just over 65%, which is pretty good. But if the Pats had only 12 drops, league average, he'd be at 68%.

Hernandez had a few big drops late against the Ravens, but fortunately we were able to recover and pull that game out. But as we return to the old school style of Patriots football, where we play smarter and don't beat ourselves, we need to get better in this area.

one of the reasons Brady, set the record for most att with out a INT is cause he puts the ball were only he's guy can catch it and some times that leads to drops... im not sure what Welker, knee not being 100% has to do with he's hands he had 3 drops vs the bills all of them hit him in he's hands he did not have to cut or dive for them they were right there he just droped them
 
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