Butler or Arrington?

[JackBauer]

Johnson is one of my favorite non-Patriots to watch. He'd make a good Patriot - he's a stud wideout without the headache. What a beast.

I'd take Andre or Calvin, or perhaps Roddy White, who is beasting this year.

 

[BradyMossWelker]

I'd take Andre or Calvin, or perhaps Roddy White, who is beasting this year.

I'm getting tired of everyone calling Andre Johnson the best in the game, he isn't anymore. Calvin Johnson is, in my opinion, the best. DeSean Jackson, Greg Jennings, and Roddy White come after him.
Way different than the usual Andre Johnson, Fitzgerald, Randy Moss, Reggie Wayne talk.

 

[IcyPatriot]

I think the team is best served by Butler and Arrington splitting the reps based on matchups and schemes ... no need to choose for the rest of the season.

 

[Triumph]

Butler had key coverage on Wayne 2 plays before the Sanders pick. If that pass is completed, the game likely turns out very different (Colts at the 21 with a minute to go and 3 timeouts...instead of at the 24 and 2 timeouts after burning 20+ seconds). Hopefully Butler has used the last several weeks of practice well, since it looks like he is the next one up across from McCourty.

Was that the play where Butler still didnt turn back for the ball?

The INC had more to do with Mannings pass being off target. Butler got lucky on that one.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

I'd like to see Butler get the spot back, so far he and Edelman are the only real disappointments of the brilliant '09 draft. Both should be making more contributions this year based on the glimpses we saw from last year. For future purposes too, while Arrington has been okay Butler has the higher ceiling. That said, whatever BB decides is cool with me

 

[ALP]

Arrington had a tough half against a top 5 WR in wayne.
experience he will learn and move on.

what did butler do in his chance.


also we do not rotate corners. a reason when wayne moved inside in the slot he was matched up against chung a thing i want to see them change by pulling merriweather in and pat falling down as the safety.

next time/

i saw taht too...why wouldn't we bring in a 3rd CB in that case???

we were doing it all night, and it really started hurting us in the second half

also, on that last Wayne incomplete...Butler was stride for stride w/ Wayne, which made manning throw it futher than he wanted, which in turn resulted for the incompletion...after all it was butler jumping ON wayne after that made the ball fall loose....

 

[ausbacker]

Put McCourty on Megatron and give him safety help. The Lions have nobody else of note on offense. Captain sack'em Suh is going to be our problem.

I'd think Megatron or Roddy White would be the best receiver in the NFL. They are both beasts.

 

[moosekill]

I'd like to see Butler get the spot back, so far he and Edelman are the only real disappointments of the brilliant '09 draft. Both should be making more contributions this year based on the glimpses we saw from last year. For future purposes too, while Arrington has been okay Butler has the higher ceiling. That said, whatever BB decides is cool with me

Yep you really show your football knowledge and help your argument when you call a 7th round draft choice, one who played a lot in his rookie year. A year in which he changed from a qb to a wide receiver, a "real disappointment"

Plus, and this doesn't just apply to you, but how do you all know that Butler has a "higher ceiling" I keep hearing this over and over, but I haven't seen very much that showed me he was even as good as Arrington, I think you are just basing this on his draft position, rather than how well he played.

 

[convertedpatsfan]

We played a lot of zone so it's hard to compare the two guys, but for what it's worth, Wayne had 7 targets, 5 catches for 77 yards and a TD in the first half with Arrington on his side vs. 4 targets, 3 catches for 30 yards in the second half with Butler in. Not really conclusive, but not a significant difference to fear Butler playing either.

I think Butler's more talented, but inconsistent in run support. Hopefully he's improved in that area.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

Yep you really show your football knowledge and help your argument when you call a 7th round draft choice, one who played a lot in his rookie year. A year in which he changed from a qb to a wide receiver, a "real disappointment"

A player who regresses from year 1 to year 2 is a disappointment in year 2. But let's get our panties in a bunch

EDIT: I just re-read my post and see how it might have came off wrong. I meant they were both disappointments for THIS season based upon what they showed last season. Of course, for a 7th rounder to not contribute alot is not a major disappointment overall

 

[mgteich]

I don't see this as a major issue. We need production from both Butler and Arrington going forward as corners and nickel back.

 

[strngplyr]

Arrington without a doubt. Has played solid corner, great run support and an excellent tackler.

The part about Arrington being an excellent tackler is a joke, right? I remember him jumping on Wayne's back and going for a ride before being knocked off. I also remember during the dolphins game his terrible angles and not being able to bring anyone down.

Our #2 corner is a bad joke. I think our defense is "solid" if we can get a good #2 corner and scheme up some consistent pressure. But having to choose between Butler and Arrington is an awful choice to make. Can't wait for Bodden to get back, our current 2's make him look like Revis.

 

[zipster9]

The part about Arrington being an excellent tackler is a joke, right? I remember him jumping on Wayne's back and going for a ride before being knocked off. I also remember during the dolphins game his terrible angles and not being able to bring anyone down.

Our #2 corner is a bad joke. I think our defense is "solid" if we can get a good #2 corner and scheme up some consistent pressure. But having to choose between Butler and Arrington is an awful choice to make. Can't wait for Bodden to get back, our current 2's make him look like Revis.

Yeah. Arrington's attempt to tackle Wayne was major-pathetic. Wayne ducks, and he is off.

Arrington is no better than Butler.

 

[The Dynasty]

Put McCourty on Megatron and give him safety help. The Lions have nobody else of note on offense. Captain sack'em Suh is going to be our problem.

I'd think Megatron or Roddy White would be the best receiver in the NFL. They are both beasts.

Again, like I said earlier the Pats dont match up their corners with WRs. They play sides of the field. McCourty is on the left, while Butler/Arrington are on the right. That is why Arrington was on Wayne so much because Wayne generally lines up on the right side of the line of scrimmage. BB has confidence in all of his corners.

 

[Triumph]

Yeah. Arrington's attempt to tackle Wayne was major-pathetic. Wayne ducks, and he is off.

Arrington is no better than Butler.

But Arrington has played better than Butler.

Butler was so bad that he was benched.

 

[upstater1]

Was that the play where Butler still didnt turn back for the ball?

The INC had more to do with Mannings pass being off target. Butler got lucky on that one.

Didn't turn his back, but you're wrong about his impact on the play. It was a perfect pass and Wayne would have come down with it, but Butler dove at the exact right time and he got a hand in between Wayne's hands, so when Wayne landed--with Butler landing on his back--the ball was dislodged. That was definitely a good play by Butler.

 

[upstater1]

Yep you really show your football knowledge and help your argument when you call a 7th round draft choice, one who played a lot in his rookie year. A year in which he changed from a qb to a wide receiver, a "real disappointment"

Plus, and this doesn't just apply to you, but how do you all know that Butler has a "higher ceiling" I keep hearing this over and over, but I haven't seen very much that showed me he was even as good as Arrington, I think you are just basing this on his draft position, rather than how well he played.

He played half the season last year, extensively. There was a lot to base it on.

 

[upstater1]

We played a lot of zone so it's hard to compare the two guys, but for what it's worth, Wayne had 7 targets, 5 catches for 77 yards and a TD in the first half with Arrington on his side vs. 4 targets, 3 catches for 30 yards in the second half with Butler in. Not really conclusive, but not a significant difference to fear Butler playing either.

I think Butler's more talented, but inconsistent in run support. Hopefully he's improved in that area.

You can't put all of that on either Arrington or Butler since I remember a couple times when Wayne lined up in the slot and caught decent passes over the middle.

 

[upstater1]

Yeah. Arrington's attempt to tackle Wayne was major-pathetic. Wayne ducks, and he is off.

Arrington is no better than Butler.

You guys give up on players way too quick. Both Arrington and Butler have looked better than Asante Samuel in his second year. Asante had two lost years his first 2 in New England. In his 3rd year, he started to play but even then it took a awhile for him to come into his own.

I have been pleasantly surprised by Arrington and laud the kid for being tough out there, especially in bumping guys at the line. He definitely has that over Butler. My concern with Arrington is that I don't think he has the hips for the position..you can see him become discombobulated whenever a receiver puts a good move on him. Butler is slighter, and isn't getting his jams at the line, but he has good hips, can make those quick changes. I think both CBs are better than average tacklers at the position. In Butler's first 2 games, he gave plenty of run support. Go back to the Cincy game and you'll see him making big tackles, and also taking Ladainian Classy down a few times 7 or 8 yards downfield.

 

[upstater1]

But Arrington has played better than Butler.

Butler was so bad that he was benched.

It goes back and forth.

Twice BB has put Butler in there when Arrington has had bad halfs. There was a stretch there when Butler was only seeing 5 plays a game but for the most part he has been in there for plus 10.