Which player(s) has been the biggest disappointment so far?

[The Dynasty]

6-2 (10 char)

Brady won the Baltimore game for the Pats, and the same could be said with SD

 

[HEY BRO! WHAT UP?]

Most disappointing
1. Tom Brady - I can't believe I'm saying this, but Brady is not the reason why this team is 6-2. Without the defense creating turnovers, this team could be 4-4 at best. Even when he has plenty of time in the pocket, his footwork is horrible. He rarely steps into his throws like he used to and he's throwing way to many balls at WR's feet. To say that he's struggling because of his supporting cast may be premature as he has missed plenty of wide open WR's that could've changed the game.
2. Wes Welker - I'm pretty sure it's because of his injury but he's becoming easily taken out of games. But then again, if he isn't ready, don't play him and use the excuse card.
3. Darius Butler - I don't even need to go there.
4. TBC - Had a fluke season, but I didn't think he'd be this bad
5. Laurance Maroney - an absolute joke. I defended him for the longest time but realized after his 2008 injury that he would never develop. And for anybody that wants to know how's he doing in Denver, he's even worse. He'll be out of the NFL in 1-2 years.
6. Ty Warren - dissapears in the offseason and then suddenly has surgery that put him on IR.

Biggest Surprise
1. The defense creating turnovers
2. Devin McCourty - Gives up plays, but makes plays. I'm confident he will be a good CB.
3. Ben Jarvis Green-Ellis - Nothing special but does a good job keeping positive yardage.
4. Aaron Hernandez - Didn't think he'd be their leading WR in terms of yards, but I predicted in the off-season that he would at least lead TE's in receiving yards.
5. Brandon Tate - it's asinine to depend on this guy to emerge as the replacement for Moss as he is in his rookie season. He should've never played last season and I was afraid the Pats were risking his career before it even started. However, he's become a dangerous kick returner.
6. Danny Woodhead - He's a great story and I think he'll be a Patriot for a long time. He's come up with some big plays for the Pats and I'm sure he can't wait for Monday night against the Jets.

 

[The Dynasty]

Most disappointing
1. Tom Brady - I can't believe I'm saying this, but Brady is not the reason why this team is 6-2. Without the defense creating turnovers, this team could be 4-4 at best. Even when he has plenty of time in the pocket, his footwork is horrible. He rarely steps into his throws like he used to and he's throwing way to many balls at WR's feet. To say that he's struggling because of his supporting cast may be premature as he has missed plenty of wide open WR's that could've changed the game.

Brady is the reason why the Pats are 6-2. He won the Baltimore game for them and the same thing could be said in the SD game. He has kept the Pats in every game this season and has played mistake free football.

The Pats WR's/TE's/RB's are second in the league in dropped passes. A lot of Bradys throws could be caught.

 

[HEY BRO! WHAT UP?]

Brady is the reason why the Pats are 6-2. He won the Baltimore game for them and the same thing could be said in the SD game. He has kept the Pats in every game this season and has played mistake free football.

The Pats WR's/TE's/RB's are second in the league in dropped passes. A lot of Bradys throws could be caught.

Baltimore game - It was the defense that gave him chance after chance. He finally woke up and capitalized on what Baltimore couldn't do.

San Diego game - That performance was pathetic. With the turnovers the defense created and the field position they had, the game should've been over at half time.

 

[The Dynasty]

Baltimore game - It was the defense that gave him chance after chance. He finally woke up and capitalized on what Baltimore couldn't do.

San Diego game - That performance was pathetic. With the turnovers the defense created and the field position they had, the game should've been over at half time.

Brady definitely won the Baltimore game. The Pats were down by 10 in the 4th. He led the comeback and the defense came up with some stops at the end of regulation and OT. But without Brady the Pats dont win that game.

Brady managed the game well against a tough SD defense. The defense didnt really "create" those turnovers, SD basically gave NE the ball.

 

[HEY BRO! WHAT UP?]

Brady definitely won the Baltimore game. The Pats were down by 10 in the 4th. He led the comeback and the defense came up with some stops at the end of regulation and OT. But without Brady the Pats dont win that game.

I still disagree. Baltimore has a 10 point lead but couldn't do jack after that. All they need was one score and the game was over.

Brady managed the game well against a tough SD defense. The defense didnt really "create" those turnovers, SD basically gave NE the ball.

If you want to look at it that way. However, had Sanders not been alert and dive on the ball, San Diego still has the ball. So I credit the defense for capitalizing on San Diego stupidity.

And I didn't have the confidence he was going to win the game for them in Miami. Without the defense and special teams taking over, who knows how the game would go.

 

[The Dynasty]

I still disagree. Baltimore has a 10 point lead but couldn't do jack after that. All they need was one score and the game was over.

Brady led a 4th quarter comeback against one of the better defenses in the league. Just give the guy some credit. Do you think Brian Hoyer could have led that come back? Without Brady the Pats dont make that come back. The defense did make some key stops, but without Brady they Pats dont win.

If you want to look at it that way. However, had Sanders not been alert and dive on the ball, San Diego still has the ball. So I credit the defense for capitalizing on San Diego stupidity.

And I didn't have the confidence he was going to win the game for them in Miami. Without the defense and special teams taking over, who knows how the game would go.

The SD game both teams really didnt play that well. Brady wasnt himself, but they key was that he played mistake free football and that was the difference in the game. You would think that another QB other than Brady would have made mistakes against a tough SD defense, and in that case the Pats would have lost.

The Miami game was a total team effort.

 

[emoney_33]

Brady won the Baltimore game for the Pats, and the same could be said with SD

Brady won the Baltimore game for the Pats, are you kidding me!?

And SD? haha really!?

 

[The Dynasty]

Brady won the Baltimore game for the Pats, are you kidding me!?

And SD? haha really!?

I said the SD game was more of a stretch, but I did make my case for him not making any mistakes in that game, in a game of mistakes.

But he certainly did win the Baltimore game. He led the team to a 4th quarter come back against one of the better defenses in the league. It was all through the air as well, it wasnt like the running game was the key. I dont understand the failure to give Brady credit where it is due. If that game happened in '07 people would have been giving Brady all the credit for the 4th quarter come back, now its just expected that he can do those things.

 

[emoney_33]

Brady led a 4th quarter comeback against one of the better defenses in the league. Just give the guy some credit. Do you think Brian Hoyer could have led that come back? Without Brady the Pats dont make that come back. The defense did make some key stops, but without Brady they Pats dont win.

Without Brady maybe they are winning in the 4th. Seriously, this is ridiculous. A 4th quarter comeback only happens because you (or your defense) sucked for 3 quarters!

The SD game both teams really didnt play that well. Brady wasnt himself, but they key was that he played mistake free football and that was the difference in the game. You would think that another QB other than Brady would have made mistakes against a tough SD defense, and in that case the Pats would have lost.

The Miami game was a total team effort.

SD gave us the game, we were lucky to win that game. I'm happy, I'll take it but stop with the excuses. "He played mistake free football" is just an excuse for his poor play in general. Most QBs in the league would have won that SD game.

Granted Brady has a lot going against him, but please he's not played significantly better than the top 10 QBs.

 

[emoney_33]

I said the SD game was more of a stretch, but I did make my case for him not making any mistakes in that game, in a game of mistakes.

But he certainly did win the Baltimore game. He led the team to a 4th quarter come back against one of the better defenses in the league. It was all through the air as well, it wasnt like the running game was the key. I dont understand the failure to give Brady credit where it is due. If that game happened in '07 people would have been giving Brady all the credit for the 4th quarter come back, now its just expected that he can do those things.

I don't understand the excuses for Brady. I love Brady as much as anyone and wouldn't want any other QB on the team, but he has NOT played great this year with respect to what we've come to expect. There are many factors that might contribute to that perception, including but not limited to lack of offensive talent, knee-injury, coaching etc...

 

[The Dynasty]

Without Brady maybe they are winning in the 4th. Seriously, this is ridiculous. A 4th quarter comeback only happens because you (or your defense) sucked for 3 quarters!

They were playing the Ravens, not the Bills. 4th quarter comebacks against good teams does not mean you played poorly in the first 3 quarters. You're clueless.

SD gave us the game, we were lucky to win that game. I'm happy, I'll take it but stop with the excuses. "He played mistake free football" is just an excuse for his poor play in general. Most QBs in the league would have won that SD game.

Granted Brady has a lot going against him, but please he's not played significantly better than the top 10 QBs.

Most QBs in the league would have probably made one or more mistakes in that game, and in a game like that against the #1 defense at the time one turnover would probably be the difference.

Saying that Brady one the SD game may be a bit of a stretch, but many other QBs in the league would not have won that game

 

[The Dynasty]

I don't understand the excuses for Brady. I love Brady as much as anyone and wouldn't want any other QB on the team, but he has NOT played great this year with respect to what we've come to expect. There are many factors that might contribute to that perception, including but not limited to lack of offensive talent, knee-injury, coaching etc...

This is exactly where people like you are wrong. "with respect to what we've come to expect", this is where you and others are wrong. Fans expect way too much from Brady ever since the season that he had in 2007. That was a record breaking year, no other QB will probably ever have a season like that again. A perfect example is you expect Brady to have 4th quarter comebacks, these are not a given in the NFL and they dont happen as much as you think. You and others have extremely high and quite frankly unrealistic expectations for Brady and that is why you're disappointed.

 

[emoney_33]

This is exactly where people like you are wrong. "with respect to what we've come to expect", this is where you and others are wrong. Fans expect way too much from Brady ever since the season that he had in 2007. That was a record breaking year, no other QB will probably ever have a season like that again. A perfect example is you expect Brady to have 4th quarter comebacks, these are not a given in the NFL and they dont happen as much as you think. You and others have extremely high and quite frankly unrealistic expectations for Brady and that is why you're disappointed.

I never brought up 2007. In the last 4 games he has not even played up to his career averages. So you either expect him to be a <60% QB or he's not performing up to standards.

The reason why 4th quarter comebacks don't happen often is because usually the team playing better for 3 quarters, keeps playing better. And 4th quarter comebacks almost always have big defensive stops in them. It's an entire team thing, not a QB saying "oh I'm not bored anymore, let's go win".

 

[emoney_33]

They were playing the Ravens, not the Bills. 4th quarter comebacks against good teams does not mean you played poorly in the first 3 quarters. You're clueless.

10 points in 3 quarters is not playing poorly?

 

[The Dynasty]

I never brought up 2007. In the last 4 games he has not even played up to his career averages. So you either expect him to be a <60% QB or he's not performing up to standards.

The reason why 4th quarter comebacks don't happen often is because usually the team playing better for 3 quarters, keeps playing better. And 4th quarter comebacks almost always have big defensive stops in them. It's an entire team thing, not a QB saying "oh I'm not bored anymore, let's go win".

You never mentioned 2007, but it is 2007 that have set your expectations so high for Brady. Ever since 2007, you and many others expect that almost every year. You and these people are taking Brady for granted and not appreciating what he is doing, just because it is expected that he put up huge numbers like he did in 2007. He is also playing with arguably his worst supporting cast that he has had his entire career, dont you think that might have an effect on his numbers? All that matters really is wins and losses, and right now hes 6-2 and getting the job done.

As for the 4th quarter point, you are digging yourself even deeper into a hole. You are avoiding giving the credit to the offense and the QB. During the 4th quarter is when the pressure rises and each play becomes more important, this is why most quarterbacks struggle. Brady on the other hand is one of the most clutch QBs to ever play the game. Up until the Baltimore game Brady was getting bashed for his terrible 4th quarter/2nd half stats from last year and the start of this year (and deservedly so). Then he finally gets a 4th quarter come back win and plays extremely well and now it was like it was just expected from him because of his past.

 

[The Dynasty]

10 points in 3 quarters is not playing poorly?

Look at the opponent. They were playing the Ravens, arguably one of the top 3 teams in the AFC, scoring 10 points in 3 quarters on them isnt bad at all. In 3 of Baltimore's games they allowed 10 or less points the entire game.While Pittsburgh scored 7 through 3 quarters, Cleveland 10 through 3 and Denver 7 through 3. Please just stop.

 

[emoney_33]

You never mentioned 2007, but it is 2007 that have set your expectations so high for Brady. Ever since 2007, you and many others expect that almost every year. You and these people are taking Brady for granted and not appreciating what he is doing, just because it is expected that he put up huge numbers like he did in 2007. He is also playing with arguably his worst supporting cast that he has had his entire career, dont you think that might have an effect on his numbers? All that matters really is wins and losses, and right now hes 6-2 and getting the job done.

If your entire argument depends on your opinion of what my expectations are then please just stop now. My expectations of Brady 2010 post-Moss is Brady 2006, so please stop. Tom Brady does not control wins and losses alone, 6-2 is indicative of the TEAM. Rivers is playing better than Brady in 2010. Rivers' team/coaching is inferior.

As for the 4th quarter point, you are digging yourself even deeper into a hole. You are avoiding giving the credit to the offense and the QB. During the 4th quarter is when the pressure rises and each play becomes more important, this is why most quarterbacks struggle. Brady on the other hand is one of the most clutch QBs to ever play the game. Up until the Baltimore game Brady was getting bashed for his terrible 4th quarter/2nd half stats from last year and the start of this year (and deservedly so). Then he finally gets a 4th quarter come back win and plays extremely well and now it was like it was just expected from him because of his past.

Sorry, but unlike you I understand that there is never one thing involved in a win, loss or comeback. I never said that Brady did NOTHING to help the team beat Baltimore. You flat out said "Brady WON" that game, and he did NOT win that game alone. He helped his team win, but other top-10 QBs would have as well, which was my only point regarding that. He didn't play great the first ~3 quarters, but he did figure things out and have a good stretch of drives to tie the game. He struggled in OT but got it together for the 3rd drive. He played generally well in those drives and poorly in other drives, but also without the defense the comeback never happens. Overall he had a decent game but he did not "WIN" that game, the Patriots did. I don't like when people say player so-and-so WON or LOST a game, it is never 1 player that wins or loses a game. Even when it's the LAST play of the game, at that point in time they are "winning" the game but the game as a whole was won/lost by many more factors.

2007 was a case of the league being Mossed and I never expect Brady to approach those levels again as I don't expect he'll ever have that type of talent at WR again. Just to clarify so you can stop pretending what my expectations are.

 

[emoney_33]

Look at the opponent. They were playing the Ravens, arguably one of the top 3 teams in the AFC, scoring 10 points in 3 quarters on them isnt bad at all. In 3 of Baltimore's games they allowed 10 or less points the entire game.While Pittsburgh scored 7 through 3 quarters, Cleveland 10 through 3 and Denver 7 through 3. Please just stop.

I'll give that to you, Bills skew their pts/game against. I shouldn't expect a ton of points against Baltimore, but I can't accept the notion that Tom Brady, one player, "WON" that game. The team did, including the big defensive stops during the comeback.

 

[ausbacker]

I'm personally disappointed in you, as you're usually a better a better poster than this.

Tate's projected numbers through the 16 game season: 32 receptions, 502 yards, 2 TDs.

Terrell Owens had 36 receptions, 520 yards, 4 TDs his rookie season.
Reggie Wayne had 27 receptions, 345 yards, 0 TDs.
Miles Austin didn't do much until he blew up in his fourth season.
Brandon Marshall had 20 receptions, 309 yards, 2 TDs.

...and so on.

Blaming the FO for putting more pressure on Tate than he's ready to handle, especially when considering the not-so-stellar track record of first year receivers on this team, is warranted. But Tate's upside as a wide receiver on this team remains to be determined.

When are you going to work out that I am referring to Brandon Tate's 2010 season? He's disappointed me this season because I expected more from him given the talent surrounding him. If you want to extrapolate that to a potential career then fine but I'm looking at his 2010 year alone. He's had 1 play of note where I thought gee that looks OK and that was a broken play where he and Brady got on the same page. There's been no vertical receiving threat and his routes haven't been crisp. That's why I am disappointed.

Geebus seriously.