Schefter: The Place For Mankins Is In New England

[RayClay]

How does Schefter know the Pats will demand a #1 when no one in the league seems to have the least interest in paying him huge money?

I'm sure they would take less if they could find a fish. So hard to replace an above average guard in this league.

 

[serifyn]

How does Schefter know the Pats will demand a #1 when no one in the league seems to have the least interest in paying him huge money?

I'm sure they would take less if they could find a fish. So hard to replace an above average guard in this league.

How are they going to discuss trading a player they cant trade. they probably dont know what his value is on the trade block because its pointless to discuss any trade that isnt possible.

it has nothing to do with another teams interest in a player if they cant get him because he wont sign his contract before the trade deadline.

 

[RayClay]

How are they going to discuss trading a player they cant trade. they probably dont know what his value is on the trade block because its pointless to discuss any trade that isnt possible.

it has nothing to do with another teams interest in a player if they cant get him because he wont sign his contract before the trade deadline.

You don't think after all this time a team interested in Mankins could let it be known? He's a restricted free agent, right? that means teams could sign him for compensation, or the teams could work something lesser out. Ever heard of Wes Welker?

I understand he hasn't signed his tender, but his position is, he wants to be traded. I'll grant that he and his agent don't seem to be Rhodes scholars, but exactly how does he expect to be traded if there aren't some lines of communication available if a team is interested in a deal?

 

[The Brandon Five]

More important than where Schefter thinks he belongs, where does Logan think he belongs?

 

[D-cleater]

OK, this is my last post on a Mankins thread, and it is only to be please beg Ian to removet his face off the front page of the message board until it happens. I can't stand the guy. There has to be more to talk about than Mankins, who won't be contributing to this team in the next month at least anyway

 

[serifyn]

You don't think after all this time a team interested in Mankins could let it be known? He's a restricted free agent, right? that means teams could sign him for compensation, or the teams could work something lesser out. Ever heard of Wes Welker?

I understand he hasn't signed his tender, but his position is, he wants to be traded. I'll grant that he and his agent don't seem to be Rhodes scholars, but exactly how does he expect to be traded if there aren't some lines of communication available if a team is interested in a deal?

Adam Schefter is an NFL insider and one of the best, its his job to get an idea of situations just like this, he talks to everyone and if he thinks mankins is worth a #1, i believe him because its what hes been hearing.

here is the restricted free agent definition, i pulled it from Wikipedia but i think it is accurate.


Restricted free agents

Restricted free agents (RFAs) are players who have three or more accrued seasons of service and whose contracts have expired. RFAs have received qualifying offers from their old clubs and are free to negotiate with any club until a deadline which occurs approximately a week prior to the NFL Draft (for 2010 the deadline was April 15), at which time their rights revert to their original club. If a player accepts an offer from a new club, the old club will have the right to match the offer and retain the player. If the old club elects not to match the offer, it may receive draft-choice compensation depending on the level of the qualifying offer made to the player

i dont exactly know what happened with mankins prior to the deadline but now that it has passed, he cant negotiate with any team aside from the patriots.

Really though, all we can do is speculate on what mankins and the patriots are thinking, what i think the 2 sides are thinking is in a post above, i think this has degenerated into a pissing contest and now each is trying to see how bad they can screw the other.

 

[stcjones]

What happens to your pro bowl guard when he cries at home in Fresno and no-one notices ? Screw you, Mankins, you put our team and our QB at risk because you were insulted by $3M for one year or a mega long term offer. The place for Mankins isn't New England, it's on the farm in Fresno with the other pigs.

Amen to that....trade his fat a## out of town!! The jerk doesn't want to be here anymore anyways....like Bruschi said...."time to go"

 

[VJCPatriot]

You could have said that about Branch back in 2006 also. It's not a matter of being "an idiot", it's just a matter of hoping to find the right match of a team with a need that's willing to pay. We found that in Seattle for Branch who was no more valuable to a team than Mankins. We either didn't have the match with Mankins or weren't as inclined to look this time.

The difference is that Branch was actually under contract and thus tradeable. Mankins didn't sign his RFA tender thus he is unmoveable. And by the time he signs it to report for the last 6 games the trade deadline will have passed.

If Mankins were under contract then we'd have a better case for getting compensation but the fact that anyone who trades for him will have to negotiate a new big $$ contract complicates things a bit. I think he'd be worth a 2nd or 3rd rounder max. Nobody will give a 1st in this situation, not even a future 1st.

OK, this is my last post on a Mankins thread, and it is only to be please beg Ian to removet his face off the front page of the message board until it happens. I can't stand the guy. There has to be more to talk about than Mankins, who won't be contributing to this team in the next month at least anyway

Ditto. Let's not give the holdout more publicity that he doesn't deserve.

 

[RayClay]

Adam Schefter is an NFL insider and one of the best, its his job to get an idea of situations just like this, he talks to everyone and if he thinks mankins is worth a #1, i believe him because its what hes been hearing.

here is the restricted free agent definition, i pulled it from Wikipedia but i think it is accurate.


Restricted free agents

Restricted free agents (RFAs) are players who have three or more accrued seasons of service and whose contracts have expired. RFAs have received qualifying offers from their old clubs and are free to negotiate with any club until a deadline which occurs approximately a week prior to the NFL Draft (for 2010 the deadline was April 15), at which time their rights revert to their original club. If a player accepts an offer from a new club, the old club will have the right to match the offer and retain the player. If the old club elects not to match the offer, it may receive draft-choice compensation depending on the level of the qualifying offer made to the player

i dont exactly know what happened with mankins prior to the deadline but now that it has passed, he cant negotiate with any team aside from the patriots.

Really though, all we can do is speculate on what mankins and the patriots are thinking, what i think the 2 sides are thinking is in a post above, i think this has degenerated into a pissing contest and now each is trying to see how bad they can screw the other.

So, if a writer thinks he's worth a #1 (and a huge contract), it doesn't matter what the teams think? Gotcha.

 

[RayClay]

The difference is that Branch was actually under contract and thus tradeable. Mankins didn't sign his RFA tender thus he is unmoveable. And by the time he signs it to report for the last 6 games the trade deadline will have passed.

While that's true, the fact that Branch refused to honor that contract made it moot. They gave him permission for to find a deal and compensation, which I imagine they could do here, being that he'd sign the tender, when he had a deal and compensation for us.

Otherwise he's stuck here.

 

[shmessy]

OK, this is my last post on a Mankins thread, and it is only to be please beg Ian to removet his face off the front page of the message board until it happens. I can't stand the guy. There has to be more to talk about than Mankins, who won't be contributing to this team in the next month at least anyway

Good. Let's talk about Randy Moss.

 

[Lamanai]

I think that most people following this realize that *technically* the Pats cannot trade Mankins. However, they do have some input into his immediate future.

Hypothetically, just suppose Jerry Jones (or Angelo, et...) called Kraft and said:

JJ: Bob, I know we're meeting next week on that "How to stonewall the NFLPA" seminar, but what's happening with your guy, Mankins?"

BK: "Not much, he doesn't love us anymore"

JJ: "I've got some extra cash lying around and thought I might check with you to see if I could tempt him with and offer."

BK: "Jerry, Jerry, Jerry...you know that'd be tampering. Plus we don't actually have him under contract. But I suppose if we were to be compensated with say, a 2012 1st rounder. I think I could let you talk to his people"

JJ: "But how could you trade him if you don't control him???

BK: "Jerry, do I have to explain everything to you? If you can strike a $$$ deal with him and are willing to send me my tribute, I think I can talk Logan into signing the tender. Then we''ll trade him to you. Logan will go for it - he trusts me."

JJ: Works for me...what's his phone number?

BK: "I'll text it to you...You'll like working with is agent, Bauer. He's good people. Oh, and don't forget to tell Logan I still want that public apology!"

JJ: "Let's just forget the whole thing then..."

 

[Off The Grid]

I think that most people following this realize that *technically* the Pats cannot trade Mankins. However, they do have some input into his immediate future.

Hypothetically, just suppose Jerry Jones (or Angelo, et...) called Kraft and said:

JJ: Bob, I know we're meeting next week on that "How to stonewall the NFLPA" seminar, but what's happening with your guy, Mankins?"

BK: "Not much, he doesn't love us anymore"

JJ: "I've got some extra cash lying around and thought I might check with you to see if I could tempt him with and offer."

BK: "Jerry, Jerry, Jerry...you know that'd be tampering. Plus we don't actually have him under contract. But I suppose if we were to be compensated with say, a 2012 1st rounder. I think I could let you talk to his people"

JJ: "But how could you trade him if you don't control him???

BK: "Jerry, do I have to explain everything to you? If you can strike a $$$ deal with him and are willing to send me my tribute, I think I can talk Logan into signing the tender. Then we''ll trade him to you. Logan will go for it - he trusts me."

JJ: Works for me...what's his phone number?

BK: "I'll text it to you...You'll like working with is agent, Bauer. He's good people. Oh, and don't forget to tell Logan I still want that public apology!"

JJ: "Let's just forget the whole thing then..."

Perfect!!

If THAT doesn't make it crystal clear...NOTHING will!! :rocker:

 

[serifyn]

So, if a writer thinks he's worth a #1 (and a huge contract), it doesn't matter what the teams think? Gotcha.

who exactly is the representative of these teams who is telling you what they think logan mankins is worth to them. Who is the guy Belichick deploys specifically to tell you,, 'Rayclay' what he thinks players on his team are worth.

You may be surprised to learn this, but no such position exists. teams don't just come out and tell you what they would trade mankins for, ESPN has guys like Adam Schefter who is an NFL INSIDER, he gets a sense of what teams are thinking and writes about it or tweets it based on his contacts inside an organization or many organizations.

if Adam Schefter gets the sense that he is worth a #1, then he is probably worth close to that, especially if he asks teams who are not in the market for mankins at all what they think his value is, which is what i would think his method would be.

 

[cmasspatsfan]

Anybody have an idea what he means by this in the article?

I haven’t completely dismissed the idea that they could find a trade partner,” Schefter said. “They’ve been adamant that if a trade were to occur they’d get a certain amount of compensation. Things are going to happen this Sunday that will affect what happens on Monday and Tuesday.”

 

[serifyn]

Anybody have an idea what he means by this in the article?

he is non-specifically talking about opportunities that open and close based on a teams performance and outcome on sunday, for instance, dallas is 1-3 right now, if they lose the game this week, they might be ready to move on from this season and would be unlikely to trade for mankins because their chances of reaching the playoffs would be low.

 

[PatsDeb]

Anybody have an idea what he means by this in the article?

I presume he means (or hopes, like many other pundits out there) that Brady will get run over like a bug by the Ravens, the Pats will realize that they desperately need Mankins (even though they haven't needed him so far), and will beg him to come back on his terms. On the other hand, if the Pats keep rolling they will finally determine that in fact, they DON'T need Mankins, and trade him for the best deal they can get, ASAP.

By saying it this way, he gives a tease, really says nothing, but on Monday morning when one of the above opposites has happened, he can claim he was right all along.

 

[PatsDeb]

Good. Let's talk about Randy Moss.

AHHHHH. And just when all the Moss threads were disappearing from the board. NOOOOOO!

 

[serifyn]

I think that most people following this realize that *technically* the Pats cannot trade Mankins. However, they do have some input into his immediate future.

Hypothetically, just suppose Jerry Jones (or Angelo, et...) called Kraft and said:

JJ: Bob, I know we're meeting next week on that "How to stonewall the NFLPA" seminar, but what's happening with your guy, Mankins?"

BK: "Not much, he doesn't love us anymore"

JJ: "I've got some extra cash lying around and thought I might check with you to see if I could tempt him with and offer."

BK: "Jerry, Jerry, Jerry...you know that'd be tampering. Plus we don't actually have him under contract. But I suppose if we were to be compensated with say, a 2012 1st rounder. I think I could let you talk to his people"

JJ: "But how could you trade him if you don't control him???

BK: "Jerry, do I have to explain everything to you? If you can strike a $$$ deal with him and are willing to send me my tribute, I think I can talk Logan into signing the tender. Then we''ll trade him to you. Logan will go for it - he trusts me."

JJ: Works for me...what's his phone number?

BK: "I'll text it to you...You'll like working with is agent, Bauer. He's good people. Oh, and don't forget to tell Logan I still want that public apology!"

JJ: "Let's just forget the whole thing then..."

you forgot how this conversation would continue between kraft and mankins.

LM: Hello?

BK: Logan, its Bob we've worked out a potential trade that would send you to Dallas for a first round pick (Accord to Schefter)! you would be giving up your opportunity to become a free agent but would really be helping out the patriots organization and i by signing your tender and then being forced to either work out a deal with them alone or forced to playout your tender and then inevitably be franchised tagged next season.
how does that sound?

LM: Go **** yourself.

BK: so...................................yes?

 

[mgteich]

The patriots have CHOSEN not to trade Mankins (subject to a trade being announced this weekend). There is ZERO question in my mind that the patriots could have set the price and allowed Mankins and his agent find a team who would give us say a 2010 second or a 2011 second (depending on whether the trade was before the draft or not). If that failed, the patriots could have settled for a 3rd.

The patriots chose to settle for a potential 2012 pick plus the possibility of having Mankins for six games at the end of this season. It is by no means certain that the new CBA will not consider a free agent whether or not he shows up at all this season. After all, he has played four accrued seasons. The new CBA COULD have a special Mankins clause, but it seeems unlikely.

To you to whom "Screw you Mankins" sounds great, pleas don't complain about the patriots not getting much value for Mankins.
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