Merged: Is BB quitting on season/fans?

[slash83]

Those teams you are talking about had the likes of Seymour, Ty Law, Harrison, Milloy, McGinest etc. on defense. Those teams won because of defense. Do you see those types of HORSES on our defense?

IF you've got a mediocre defense and you take your offense down from top 3 in the league to mediocre what do you have left? An offense that's not dominating and a defense that is still struggling to rush the passer! That sound like a championship winning formula to you?? Something just doesn't make sense with this deal unless the Pats are getting a MAJOR piece in return.

It doesnt sound like a championship winning formula to me either, I hope your right in regards of the Pats are getting a MAJOR piece in return. Unfortunately when its all said and done I believe the Pats are going to come away with a draft pick or two, which would suck.

 

[PatsFanInVa]

I see Pat Chung, but that is only because he charitably slows down so the human eye can interpret his movements.

Seriously folks: IF Moss is traded, especially to Minn., it signals to me what such moves always signal - the right move at the time.

Moss may have a lot left, but it may be a lot he's unwilling to give the PATS. Or it may be that he's right at what BB et al. consider the end of his long "elite" plateau. Maybe he's rolling the dice a little, given the young talent that's emerging. Maybe Mr. Grim is seeing a glass much more half-full than we long-time fans, and likes what he sees out of Woodhead and BJGE and Tate and Gronk and Hernandez. Maybe that Welker "afterthought" from that offseason impresses him more. Maybe adding Edelman - injured now or not - gives him a little more confidence. Maybe he reasons that w/Brady, he won a SB with Antowain Smith at RB, and David Givens as a #1 receiver, and he thinks better of his developing defensive talent than we do.

Maybe he sees in Minnesota a motivated buyer, a known desire on Moss' part to play with Brett Favre, and only a few months of likely Moss play on the Pats anyway.

Christ, the sky isn't falling if Moss goes, and the Messiah hasn't arrived if we ended up with some other elite talent on some other deal.

This place needs Prozac.

 

[Satchboogie3]

If the Pats trade Moss for just draft picks and don't use them to add major pieces right away, I might have to go buy depression meds for the rest of the fall...

 

[Patjew]

I see Pat Chung, but that is only because he charitably slows down so the human eye can interpret his movements.

Seriously folks: IF Moss is traded, especially to Minn., it signals to me what such moves always signal - the right move at the time.

Moss may have a lot left, but it may be a lot he's unwilling to give the PATS. Or it may be that he's right at what BB et al. consider the end of his long "elite" plateau. Maybe he's rolling the dice a little, given the young talent that's emerging. Maybe Mr. Grim is seeing a glass much more half-full than we long-time fans, and likes what he sees out of Woodhead and BJGE and Tate and Gronk and Hernandez. Maybe that Welker "afterthought" from that offseason impresses him more. Maybe adding Edelman - injured now or not - gives him a little more confidence. Maybe he reasons that w/Brady, he won a SB with Antowain Smith at RB, and David Givens as a #1 receiver, and he thinks better of his developing defensive talent than we do.

Maybe he sees in Minnesota a motivated buyer, a known desire on Moss' part to play with Brett Favre, and only a few months of likely Moss play on the Pats anyway.

Christ, the sky isn't falling if Moss goes, and the Messiah hasn't arrived if we ended up with some other elite talent on some other deal.

This place needs Prozac.

Does not compute.

 

[Off The Grid]

Brady did fine throwing with Branch... don't know how you confused Brady with a idiot QB who forces plays... You guys act like we have the worst QB of all time. Brady has one off game and his specialty is now forcing the ball into coverage? We have Tom Brady, NOT Brett Favre.

NAILED it!!

 

[Tunescribe]

I just don't believe that BB would suddenly make a move like this on a whim. He must be getting something BIG in return or he has a plan for the WR corps.

OR, the situation with Randy has become so untenable that BB has no choice but to unload him for whatever. I certainly hope your version is true.

I'll add that if Moss is shooting his way out of town, Brady probably did all he could to keep him here and keep him happy and is resigned to living with whatever comes of it.

 

[Off The Grid]

I see Pat Chung, but that is only because he charitably slows down so the human eye can interpret his movements.

Seriously folks: IF Moss is traded, especially to Minn., it signals to me what such moves always signal - the right move at the time.

Moss may have a lot left, but it may be a lot he's unwilling to give the PATS. Or it may be that he's right at what BB et al. consider the end of his long "elite" plateau. Maybe he's rolling the dice a little, given the young talent that's emerging. Maybe Mr. Grim is seeing a glass much more half-full than we long-time fans, and likes what he sees out of Woodhead and BJGE and Tate and Gronk and Hernandez. Maybe that Welker "afterthought" from that offseason impresses him more. Maybe adding Edelman - injured now or not - gives him a little more confidence. Maybe he reasons that w/Brady, he won a SB with Antowain Smith at RB, and David Givens as a #1 receiver, and he thinks better of his developing defensive talent than we do.

Maybe he sees in Minnesota a motivated buyer, a known desire on Moss' part to play with Brett Favre, and only a few months of likely Moss play on the Pats anyway.

Christ, the sky isn't falling if Moss goes, and the Messiah hasn't arrived if we ended up with some other elite talent on some other deal.

This place needs Prozac.

Beautifull, beautifull post.

 

[VJCPatriot]

Was I not watching last season or didn't the Saints PROVE that you could win the Superbowl with GREAT Offense and a mediocre but big play defense?

The Colts did the same thing in 2006. Their defense looked absolutely AWFUL. Their offense was great. And suddenly Bob Sanders played superhuman for a few straight games, their defense was good enough through the playoffs that they were hoisting the Lombardi trophy.

Hey didn't the Rams win a couple of Superbowls with that great offense, our defense could be better formula?

In the NFL you either better be really AWESOME at OFFENSE or DEFENSE to win the Superbowl. Now the Pats are NIETHER. This pisses me off because it doesn't make sense!!!

Please take a good look at this picture of the playoff brackets in 2009:


Final Four:
Saints #1 PPG 31.9
Vikings #2 PPG 29.4
Colts #7 PPG 26
Jets #17 PPG 21.8

Your winner:
Saints #1 PPG 31.9, #1 YPG 403.8

 

[slash83]

Was I not watching last season or didn't the Saints PROVE that you could win the Superbowl with GREAT Offense and a mediocre but big play defense?

The Colts did the same thing in 2006. Their defense looked absolutely AWFUL. Their offense was great. And suddenly Bob Sanders played superhuman for a few straight games, their defense was good enough through the playoffs that they were hoisting the Lombardi trophy.

Hey didn't the Rams win a couple of Superbowls with that great offense, our defense could be better formula?

In the NFL you either better be really AWESOME at OFFENSE or DEFENSE to win the Superbowl. Now the Pats are NIETHER. This pisses me off because it doesn't make sense!!!

Your spot on, the rest of the season the Pats will be playing with a average to good offense with an unpredictable defense. And having 20 picks in next years draft isnt a lock to return to glory cause nothing is the draft is set in stone.

 

[Modest]

I would absolutely love to hear the game plan on how we beat the Ravens this coming game.

 

[BradyFTW!]

We won with patten,brown,reche Caldwell as our top receivers before

Losing Randy in the middle of the season hurts but it's not the end of the world or the season

If the Pats had Vrabel, Seymour, Warren, Harrison, Bruschi, and Law, I'd agree. But the role of the passing game on this team is a whole lot different from the role of the passing game on those teams.

Remember Belichick's strategy: take away what the other team does best and make them beat you with their left hand. Well, if the Moss trade goes through, then that's more or less what they're doing to themselves. Seems like the people who aren't worried by this trade have a lot more faith in Brandon Tate than I do.

That's not to say that the trade is a sign of ineptitude: we don't even know what the compensation is, let alone the circumstances that led to this. If Moss was vocal about wanting a trade, and was starting to become a cancer, then I can see why you'd kinda have to pull the trigger. In that case, though, I worry that this is at best a lesser of two evils scenario. We're running out of prime Brady years.

 

[BradyFTW!]

This is what I fear will happen.

I'm more worried that Welker will simply never be open again. And I wouldn't be surprised if Hernandez starts getting doubled too. Every defense will suddenly seem like it has one more guy on the field than the Pats are used to, and I definitely worry about the effect that that can have when you pull the trigger on a trade like this mid-season. I'd be much closer to okay with it if this was an offseason move.

 

[patman52]

I am surprised that so many of us just don't get it, BB is never just about this year, the coming years have equal importance to him.

Maybe he sees the same thing that a lot of us do, Brady using Moss as a crutch. We were going to lose him after this year anyway, we are just moving on 12 games early.

I wish Moss the best, he gave good effort while he was here and gave lots of good memories. Sometimes BB is right, Givens, Branch, Molloy and sometimes he is wrong as in Samuel and Thomas.

 

[Steamer86]

Offensive output this year 38, 14, 38, 41 points.
Take away the #1 WR from that offensive equation, the same HOF-bound receiver who powered the two greatest scoring offenses of all time - Vikings 98 and Pats 07.
What do you get? A frustrated Tom Brady and a much LESS potent offense.

What do we get in return? Some crappy future mid round picks? A 33 year old CB who can't rush the passer?
This would signal REBUILD mode. Throw away this season, wait for Brady to get a year older and PRAY you have the draft of a lifetime in 2011.
I think that a very expensive HDTV is getting trashed at the Brady household right about now.

Some people just don't get it. Do you not pay any attention? BB is not giving up on season. If he could keep Moss happy and productive, he would. Obviously the guy is turning into a cancer with his bad attitude and his inconsistent effort and needs to be moved. Moss is forcing his way out just like he did in Minnestoa and Oakland. It's not like BB woke up one day and thought it would be a great idea to trade him for a 3rd - he has to get rid of the aging malcontent or give him a big contract, which is too risky...and nobody is going to give up a ton for a WR who will be 34 in Feb, has character issues and requires a big contract...when you say this means BB is giving up on season to rebuild you sound dumb..

 

[Sean Pa Patriot]

If its for a crappy third round pick , it does not make sense.. the compensation is key... I just dont understand why now , which makes the OP make sense Belichick does not believe he has a eliete team to make the super bowl, Moss is not in our future, get rid of him now before he becomes more of a headache, i will just draft another whilhite, chad jackson, shaun crable ....

 

[Sean Pa Patriot]

But to trade him to a team that you play in oh 3 weeks for nothing will also make me scratch my head... and to hear more Farve and Moss talk will drive me nuts...

 

[skinnydog]

I am surprised that so many of us just don't get it, BB is never just about this year, the coming years have equal importance to him.

Maybe he sees the same thing that a lot of us do, Brady using Moss as a crutch. We were going to lose him after this year anyway, we are just moving on 12 games early.

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Sometimes you have to play for this year. I think it's 50/50 whether there even is a next year with the labor situation.

 

[Simkin]

I just hate Kraft. Simply as that. Show the ******* money . WTF are they doing?

 

[IllegalContact]

I think it makes perfect sense.

For the sake of the defense, the offense needs to become more ball control oriented. That will never happen with moss around. I have always believed that he wasn't going to be extended, so why not get something for him now?

The is more understandable than the seymour trade

 

[convertedpatsfan]

I am surprised that so many of us just don't get it, BB is never just about this year, the coming years have equal importance to him.

Maybe he sees the same thing that a lot of us do, Brady using Moss as a crutch. We were going to lose him after this year anyway, we are just moving on 12 games early.

I wish Moss the best, he gave good effort while he was here and gave lots of good memories. Sometimes BB is right, Givens, Branch, Molloy and sometimes he is wrong as in Samuel and Thomas.

I agree, we weren't going to have Randy next year anyways, but until we see what we're getting back, it's hard to decide if it's adequate compensation. We'd basically get a 3rd if he left as a FA, so I'd like to see at least a 1st. In my dreams, the compensation includes Rice or Harvin plus a high pick, but I seriously doubt that happening.

As for when BB is wrong, he obviously makes mistakes. But I don't consider the Samuel thing a mistake considering the amount of money and how much Philly fans are learning to hate him. And by Thomas, who were you referring to? Not Adalius, right?