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Do Pats need 1 or 2 seed to make it to the SB?

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Getting a top 2 seed and the bye is a tremendous help in any team's playoff hopes. So yeah, getting a top 2 seed would help the Pats out a lot if they want to contend for a championship. One less game to play = just that much better a chance to win it all.
 
Patriots vs Jets 4;15PM Sunday.

I'll wait until week 15 to address the the playoff seed.
 
Using that logic, there would always be at a minimum 3 of the 4 non- bye teams would be eliminated before the Super Bowl, 75%.

Actually no they don't. You fail to take into consideration the bye for seeds #1,2 and the fact that #3 plays #6 and #4 plays #5 in the first round. Once they get to the second round the upper seeds get to the Super Bowl 65% of the time when they would get there 50% if it was a coin toss, an advantage but not great.

Your reasoning is incorrect here. The question is how big an advantage does a 1 or 2 seed have. Yes, these 3-6 teams play each other in the first round, which is immediately going to eliminate the chances of any given team that does not get a bye. This is covered in the advantages section of having to play 3 games automatically is statistically brutal compared to 2 games. I obviously did not fail to take into account the byes. The 65% stat is the end result of a 1 or 2 seed making it to the playoffs. 65% of the time, one of those two teams will make it to the SB.

Incorrect you are again. Assuming a team makes it out of the first round (which you are doing), and posing an entirely different question (which is: do the Patriots have a disadvantage assuming they make to the second round and have two-game task similar to a 1-2 seed?). That's not the question. But assuming you want to go down that road, a 65% chance vs. a 50% chance is actually pretty enormous.

33% and 9% is a total of 42%. So the remaining 58% of the time, nobody makes the Super Bowl? Obviously when you have a #1 and a #2, only one of them can make the Super Bowl in a given year and the same is true for the #3-6 seeds, only one can at most make the Super Bowl.

Again, your numbers are off and you don't understand the math. Let's break it down, as we're not giving numbers for "blocks of teams," but rather numbers for individual teams that fall into these blocks.

Seeds 1-2 (A,B), Seeds 3-6 (C,D,E,F)

A-33%
B-33%
C-9%
D-9%
E-9%
F-9%

Add up these numbers, which are stats for how any given team will do historically based on seeds 1-2 vs. 3-6. The math does not come out to 42%, it comes out to 102% (due to rounding.)

Your numbering is off but we already know that.

No, my numbers are spot on, and if you're going to criticize, at least try to figure them out first.

Using that logic, there would always be at a minimum 3 of the 4 non- bye teams would be eliminated before the Super Bowl, 75%.

I'm not sure I even understand what you're saying here. Using any logic, there would be a minimum of five teams eliminated before the Super Bowl from either conference, as only one team makes it. I'm not sure what you mean by 75%. But 50% of the non-bye teams are automatically eliminated after the first round, obviously.

Bottom Line is, take all the teams from the last ten years that enter the playoffs. Statistically, there is a 65% chance that one of the two bye teams will make the SB (roughly 33% for either team), and a 35% chance that a 3-6 team will make the Super Bowl (roughly a 9% chance for any of those four teams.)
 
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Again, your numbers are off and you don't understand the math. Let's break it down, as we're not giving numbers for "blocks of teams," but rather numbers for individual teams that fall into these blocks.

Seeds 1-2 (A,B), Seeds 3-6 (C,D,E,F)

A-33%
B-33%
C-9%
D-9%
E-9%
F-9%

Add up these numbers, which are stats for how any given team will do historically based on seeds 1-2 vs. 3-6. The math does not come out to 42%, it comes out to 102% (due to rounding.)

Your numbering is off but we already know that.

No, my numbers are spot on, and if you're going to criticize, at least try to figure them out first.
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>>>>1-2 seeds have a 33% chance of making the Super Bowl


3-6 teams have a 9% chance of making the Super Bowl<<<<
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Maybe it your language was clear, it would be understandable.
If each #1 or #2 seed has a 33% of making the Super Bowl, then,
" #1-2 seeds have a 33% chance each of making the Super Bowl
" or "#1-2 seeds have a 66% chance of making the Super Bowl"

The same goes for the #3-6 seeds. If you are writing about the #3-6 seeds, you have to clarify if you are referring to them individually or collectively. Individually they are 9% likely to make the SB, collective, the lower seeds are a 36% chance to make it. IT's not my math that's suspect, it's your language.
 
Something interesting: The Pats are 8-1 at home in the playoffs during the Brady era and 3-2 on the road (not including SB games.) When you take into account that those 3 road wins were from Pittsburgh and San Diego, two teams we own, that isn't very impressive.

Also take into account that even though we beat the Chargers in the 2006 playoffs, we had to travel to San Diego, then play a grueling come from behind game, then go to Indy. The team, the defense in particular, was out of gas. Also, the wildcard weekend game may not seem like much...but playing a playoff-worthy, even if 5th or 6th seed, opponent, is more energy-consuming than having time off and prepping for the division round would be.

I found myself last night deeply involved in caring about the outcome of the San Diego-Kansas City game. Having a better record than San Diego at the end of the year is one less game on the road.

The answer to your question is a resounding Yes.

Except for the 1985 squad (fueled by Coke), the Pats have never gone to the SB without having a first-round bye. And given the ages of this squad's key members (QB, RB, WR, OL), that statement is more true than ever.
 
33% and 9% is a total of 42%. So the remaining 58% of the time, nobody makes the Super Bowl? Obviously when you have a #1 and a #2, only one of them can make the Super Bowl in a given year and the same is true for the #3-6 seeds, only one can at most make the Super Bowl., 75%.

Wow, just wow.


let me help you out here:

33+33+8.5+8.5+8.5+8.5=?
 
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>>>>1-2 seeds have a 33% chance of making the Super Bowl


3-6 teams have a 9% chance of making the Super Bowl<<<<
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Maybe it your language was clear, it would be understandable.
If each #1 or #2 seed has a 33% of making the Super Bowl, then,
" #1-2 seeds have a 33% chance each of making the Super Bowl
" or "#1-2 seeds have a 66% chance of making the Super Bowl"

The same goes for the #3-6 seeds. If you are writing about the #3-6 seeds, you have to clarify if you are referring to them individually or collectively. Individually they are 9% likely to make the SB, collective, the lower seeds are a 36% chance to make it. IT's not my math that's suspect, it's your language.

His language was perfectly clear.


You made an assumption that wasn't consistent with the language, and are trying to save face.
 
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The answer to your question is a resounding Yes.

Except for the 1985 squad (fueled by Coke), the Pats have never gone to the SB without having a first-round bye. And given the ages of this squad's key members (QB, RB, WR, OL), that statement is more true than ever.


Welcome to the age of tiny irrelevant samples.


You know the Pats have never won a superbowl without Adam Vinatieri. They're so screwed.
 
His language was perfectly clear.


You made an assumption that wasn't consistent with the language, and are trying to save face.

Sounds so much better coming from someone else. Thanks.
 

I see what you did there.....nice....
 
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