Green-Ellis - Why or Why Not?

[Triumph]

But there is a way to overstate and unimportant statistic that doesnt come close to meaning what you suggest it does. You have just proven that.


It is irrelevant. You are trying to say that who played the first play of the game is a better indiction of the role of a player than how many plays he was in on. Thats just silly.


I have no problem with the truth. I have a large problem with your inaccurate opinion of what that informaiton means.

Yawn.

The Pats start their BEST players and the RESERVES wait for their turn on the bench. Thats the way it works. If you want call Maroney the # 1 RB go right ahead.

BTW, hes fallen on the depth chart.

 

[patsinthesnow]

LMAO, Dude get over yourself really. I really question if you understand the way NE runs the football. Last season, when Maroney had the most carries, the Pats were never more 1 dimensional. 4th and short in Indy and NE opted to pass the ball. What does that tell you?

The pats PASSED on 3rd and 2 also.... :bricks:

You guys can throw me stats left and right, but I would rather BJGE than Maroney running on 3rd and 2, 3rd and 1, 4th and 1, etc.

 

[BradyFTW!]

Yawn.

The Pats start their BEST players and the RESERVES wait for their turn on the bench. Thats the way it works. If you want call Maroney the # 1 RB go right ahead.

BTW, hes fallen on the depth chart.

Do you really want me to list all of the players who perform a ton without technically getting the start for the Pats? For starters, look at Welker in week 1 of '09: 12 catches, 93 yards, no start. Who "starts" is a pretty meaningless distinction in the NFL, and especially for the Pats, because it's largely dependent on the formation that you come out in (which is influenced by a ton of factors outside of a player's talent). This isn't the NBA, and it's not fantasy football, regardless of how much you'd like for it to be.

Maroney's best game last year was obviously the Titans game, where he ran for 123 yards and a TD on 16 attempts. Guess what? He didn't technically start that game. Meaningless distinction...

 

[emoney_33]

LMAO, Dude get over yourself really. I really question if you understand the way NE runs the football. Last season, when Maroney had the most carries, the Pats were never more 1 dimensional. 4th and short in Indy and NE opted to pass the ball. What does that tell you?

That they didn't trust BJGE to make the first down?

 

[Triumph]

Do you really want me to list all of the players who perform a ton without technically getting the start for the Pats? For starters, look at Welker in week 1 of '09: 12 catches, 93 yards, no start. Who "starts" is a pretty meaningless distinction in the NFL, and especially for the Pats, because it's largely dependent on the formation that you come out in (which is influenced by a ton of factors outside of a player's talent). This isn't the NBA, and it's not fantasy football, regardless of how much you'd like for it to be.

Ridiculous. Without question Welker is the starting slot WR on this team.

He had a banged up knee to begin the 09 season. Thats why he didnt play vs the Jets week # 2.


Wes Welker (knee) was a limited participant in Thursday's practice.
We still have no details on the severity of Welker's injury, but it's a good sign that he was able to take the field Thursday. We're counting on him to play in the opener, but check back Friday and Saturday for updates.
Source: Boston Globe

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Maroney's best game last year was obviously the Titans game, where he ran for 123 yards and a TD on 16 attempts. Guess what? He didn't technically start that game. Meaningless distinction...

Its only meaningless to the Maroney apologists.

Being the starter meant something to guys like Harrison, Brushchi and Vrabel. Nobody was going to take their starting job without blood being shed. Maroney doesnt care and will never be in the same class of the aforementioned.

 

[Deus Irae]

Ridiculous. Without question Welker is the starting slot WR on this team.

He had a banged up knee to begin the 09 season. Thats why he didnt play vs the Jets week # 2.


Wes Welker (knee) was a limited participant in Thursday's practice.
We still have no details on the severity of Welker's injury, but it's a good sign that he was able to take the field Thursday. We're counting on him to play in the opener, but check back Friday and Saturday for updates.
Source: Boston Globe

Fantasy Baseball, Football, Basketball and Hockey - draft guide, news, projections, cheatsheets, depth charts and more. Rotoworld.com



Its only meaningless to the Maroney apologists.

Being the starter meant something to guys like Harrison, Brushchi and Vrabel. Nobody was going to take their starting job without blood being shed. Maroney doesnt care and will never be in the same class of the aforementioned.

The level of fail in this post is off the charts.

 

[Ring 6]

That's fine, that's your opinion.

However I would say that to characterize it as a "missed opportunity" is not accurate.

He picked up all his blocks, did not drop a pass, and put in some solid rushing.

Nothing spectacular, but he did his job, which you know is all BB wants out of his players.

I dont understand the last comment. Are you saying playing not too well but not making any mental mistakes is all BB wants?

 

[Ring 6]

So, we're no camparing Green-Ellis to a pro-bowl special teamer?

I agree that Green-Ellis can make the team if he can beat out one of the special teams demons for a roster spot. However, I wouldn't put Green-Ellis on a par with Aiken, Arrington, Woods, Slater, Sanders, Lockett and Murrell. Would you?

Wow.
How am I comparing him to a probowl special teamer?
Special teams is one of his roles.
That is a reason he was on the team.
Jesus as soon as 'special teams' comes up you shut down your reading skills freak out and misunderstand everything typed.

There are players that contribute on special teams that aren't special teams stars. Being able to play on special teams has an impact on roster decisions, compared to not being able to contribute.

 

[BlueThunder]

Here come da judge..here come da Judge....

Why is it that some posters here think they have to pick apart others posts ?

It's an OPINION .......


I think Maroney DANCES too much at times....does that make him a bad RB?

I think Wilhite is too slow to the ball......MY OPINION

I could be right.....I could be wrong.....It's my perception.....

But there's always a few here that like to prove their googleness by pointing out casual fan's errors or jumping on their opinions......

Chill out people....

It's a PATRIOT FAN MB .....


(steps down off soapbox)

BTW: this isn't directed at AJ...I enjoy his posts and find them informative.

 

[Ring 6]

LMAO, Dude get over yourself really. I really question if you understand the way NE runs the football. Last season, when Maroney had the most carries, the Pats were never more 1 dimensional. 4th and short in Indy and NE opted to pass the ball. What does that tell you?

I cannot help if you mistake running style for something else.
4th and 2 told me, as was reported, that BB had preselected that play for such a situation because he felt it would work. It did, the spot was wrong.
3rd or 4th and 2 is not a blatant running down in the NFL. Many teams pass more often than run in those situations. But lets not let facts get in the way of creating a criticism of Maroney.

Excuses are for losers. The Patriots offensive lineman got in Maroneys face last year and told him to quit with the crazy legs.

Yeah, sure.

Look heres the bottom line. Can you emphatically state right here and now that Maroney will be back next year? Its time to man up.

Time to man up? Are you 9 years old?

BJGE only has .9 YAC to go to equal Maroneys production last year.

What does that even mean. A .210 hitter only has .090 to go to get to .300

Here, enlighten yourself.

The spread isn’t dead in New England. Its use as full-time offense, however, appears to be flagging, and Saints defenders were quick to mention the Patriots employing more heavy personnel groupings than they had last November.

The Patriots came out for their first offensive series in “13’’ personnel — one receiver (Randy Moss), three tight ends (Crumpler and rookies Aaron Hernandez and Rob Gronkowski), and one back (BenJarvus Green-Ellis). That was just the start.


The Patriots went with two tight ends, two receivers, and a back, and handed the ball to Green-Ellis, who was promptly greeted in the hole by Jonathan Casillas and dropped for a 1-yard loss.

It’s easy to surmise last year’s Patriots would have brought an extra receiver, put Brady in the shotgun, and either forced the ball to Wes Welker or Moss, or pushed it to Faulk on a draw or a screen.

Last night the Patriots didn’t do any of that. Instead of taking a tight end off the field, they added one, and ran a power run. Sebastian Vollmer sealed off his man, Dan Connolly pulled and delivered the lead block on Jonathan Vilma, and Green-Ellis scampered into the end zone for a 6-yard score.

Crumpler said the offense is searching for its identity, and it wasn’t all revealed against the Saints. But the emphasis on being physical enough to go right at a defense clearly has been there.

Brady’s new look was impressive - The Boston Globe

Get it?

OK. Got it. The teams uses a preseason game to work on running the ball in the red zone, and that shows they are chaging their style to a power running team.
Its pre-season. Go back and look at what they did in other pre-seasons.

 

[Ring 6]

Yawn.

The Pats start their BEST players and the RESERVES wait for their turn on the bench. Thats the way it works. If you want call Maroney the # 1 RB go right ahead.

BTW, hes fallen on the depth chart.

So the best players play the first play and the ones that arent the best play the most?
Thanks thats something I didnt know.

 

[patsfan13]

The main reason to keep BJGE is the age of Morris & Taylor and the probability of injury.

 

[BlueThunder]

The main reason to keep BJGE is the age of Morris & Taylor and the probability of injury.

I have said the same thing many times......Maroney is a FA next year...Morris and Taylor probably both retire...Faulk won't last forever....

Better to have at least one back that has years in the system than have to rebuild from scratch....chances are Maroney gets resigned if he has a productive season without injuries.....

 

[Ring 6]

I think its very reasonable to think he could make the roster.
I just think its out there to say so much has changed during the offseason that he has been elevated from barely being allowed on the field in rotation when there was no one else to rotate in, to fighting for the #1 RB job.

 

[patsfan13]

I think its very reasonable to think he could make the roster.
I just think its out there to say so much has changed during the offseason that he has been elevated from barely being allowed on the field in rotation when there was no one else to rotate in, to fighting for the #1 RB job.

BJGE is a JAG who knows the system. BB does have to deal with having 3 ol the oldest RB's in the league on his roster. We saw that Taylor couldn't stay on the field last year and Morris has been injured a lot over the past 3 years. Faulk doesn't have as much wear and tear as the other 2 because he isn't an every down back.

It will be interesting to see how BB makes the decision, not sure wee can afford to keep 5 RB's.

BB was giving BJGE a chance to earn a roster spot this week. This will one of the things to watch in the next game vs Atl.

 

[BlueThunder]

Keeping him in with the first unit will be a good sign. Just hope he makes the best of it.


He was making the best of what his OL gave him and hitting the holes fast. Maroney got 2 TD's that BJGE could have also ran for imho....it wasn't like Maroney was carrying a pile of tacklers on his TD runs.....

I hope the kid makes the final cut.....

 

[Deus Irae]

Keeping him in with the first unit will be a good sign. Just hope he makes the best of it.


He was making the best of what his OL gave him and hitting the holes fast. Maroney got 2 TD's that BJGE could have also ran for imho....it wasn't like Maroney was carrying a pile of tacklers on his TD runs.....

I hope the kid makes the final cut.....

If it had been Maroney making those exact same runs, people here would be talking about how lousy the running was. Because it was BJGE, people are pimping it up for an ESPY.


It was game 1 of the exhibition season, against a team that clearly wasn't bringing the same level of intensity as the Patriots. Nothing more.

 

[Ring 6]

BJGE is a JAG who knows the system. BB does have to deal with having 3 ol the oldest RB's in the league on his roster. We saw that Taylor could stay on the field last year and Morris has been injured a lot over the past 3 years. Faulk doesn't have as much wear and tear as the other 2 because he isn't an every down back.

It will be interesting to see how BB makes the decision, not sure wee can afford to keep 5 RB's.

BB was giving BJGE a chance to earn a roster spot this week. This will one of the things to watch in the next game vs Atl.

Just keep in mind we are TWO injuries away from that 5th RB having purpose. So its not at all unlikely that we go with 4, put one on the practice squad, and bring in the top unemployed guy (that could be Green-Ellis btw) at the first injury.

 

[BlueThunder]

If it had been Maroney making those exact same runs, people here would be talking about how lousy the running was. Because it was BJGE, people are pimping it up for an ESPY.


It was game 1 of the exhibition season against a team that clearly wasn't bringing the same level of intensity as the Patriots. Nothing more.

Pretty judgemental there aren't we? Nobody said anything about Maroney. He had 2 TD runs. Comment was that BJGE could have made those same TD's as Maroney given the hole he had......and Maroney probably could have made the TD run that BJGE had given the hole and blocking...

BTW...WHY would Pats bring more intensity to game than NO? They are the defending CHAMPS...

 

[BlueThunder]

Just keep in mind we are TWO injuries away from that 5th RB having purpose. So its not at all unlikely that we go with 4, put one on the practice squad, and bring in the top unemployed guy (that could be Green-Ellis btw) at the first injury.

That makes sense AJ....just don't think that BJGE would be unemployed long.
KC and Denver know what he brings to the table.....not sure how they are set for depth at RB, but BJGE might be an upgrade for one or both as depth.