Clearly overlooked.. Pats gained a 3rd round pick

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

They gained a 3rd round pick, plus they also got an earlier 4th round pick. But, BB is an idiot because he should have not stayed true to his draft board, and instead should have taken Sergio Kindle, who had a knee injury, a DUI charge, suffers from attention deficit disorder (according to the Herald), and Narcolepsy (falling asleep at meetings, for which he's on midication - again according to the Herald).

But, BB is a fool, because this was a need postion.

I spend a 2nd Rounder on Kindle in a heartbeat. I would never spend a 1st on him and his 5.5 sacks. Pah-lease!

Kindle is heading to day 3 of the draft.....quickly

 

[JackBauer]

If we took Odwick or Hughes at 27 I honestly wouldnt be complaining. The pass rush was an immediate need for the team, not CB. The objective of this draft was to get impact players that can be a factor right away because of the holes on the team. By impact I dont mean on ST. We again went the value route, which is fine when you are able to do that with the players you already have on your roster, but when you dont have the roster to go for value and need impact players you cant settle for value

Who is Odwick? I can't say I'm familiar with a player by that name.

 

[Sean Pa Patriot]

Umm.. The Ravens traded down, out of the first round, to get that 2nd, 3rd, and 4th pick. They went from 25 to 43. A drop of 18 picks to get their 3rd and 4th round picks..

The Pats only dropped 5 spots to get the 3rd round pick.

Be that as it may, I didnt like how the pats played the first round, and the failures of the last 2 drafts forced them to pick Mccourty.. The team needs impact players from this draft, and this guy might be a impact player but Tom Brady may be not on the team then... That as Belichick would say is not what we are looking for... But there is still tonight and tom, so we shall see...

 

[JackBauer]

Be that as it may, I didnt like how the pats played the first round, and the failures of the last 2 drafts forced them to pick Mccourty.. The team needs impact players from this draft, and this guy might be a impact player but Tom Brady may be not on the team then... That as Belichick would say is not what we are looking for... But there is still tonight and tom, so we shall see...

Huh?

How was last year's draft a failure?

 

[BennyBledsoe]

Oh....yeah, I do appreciate getting the third rounder.

It's pretty awesome they were able to do that given the original trade down with the Broncos WASN'T the one which included the third. It was the LOWER spot!

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

I do think that if BB wanted to play hardball with Jones he could have asked for a 3rd AND a 5th from Dallas including #27

The Cowboys KNEW that Baltimore had one guy in thier sites at 25 and that guy was Bryant and Dallas knew if they stood at 27 the Ravens would have scooped him up thus the trade deal...Dallas would have given more for NE's spot,believe me

Thats the reason I think of why Baltimore moved out of round 1..after Bryant was gone they had nothing on thier boards worth a first rounder

 

[DaBruinz]

If we took Odwick or Hughes at 27 I honestly wouldnt be complaining. The pass rush was an immediate need for the team, not CB. The objective of this draft was to get impact players that can be a factor right away because of the holes on the team. By impact I dont mean on ST. We again went the value route, which is fine when you are able to do that with the players you already have on your roster, but when you dont have the roster to go for value and need impact players you cant settle for value

Clearly you don't understand that NEED is a part of the VALUE equation. You clearly are under the impression that VALUE is synonymous with Best Player available. But that's wrong. It's not.

VALUE = Physical Traits + Intangibles + NEED

BPA = Physical Traits + Intangibles and doesn't consider need.

Need = Take highest rated player at that position regardless of round.

What you also fail to understand (and makes me believe you've never actually read Patriots Reign) is that the Patriots grade ALL of their players after every year and they compare the players in the draft against the players on the roster. And if they feel that the VALUE a player brings is higher than a player on the roster, then they'll take that player. That is clearly the case for McCourty.. They clearly rate him higher than Wheatley and Wilhite. They may even rate him higher than Butler. I don't know.. The only thing I know is that the Pats clearly felt that his value, along with the 3rd rounder and upgrade of the 4th rounder, was better for the team than staying put.

 

[Armchair Quarterback]

It has not been overlooked, any move in the first round usually requires at least a third. The Pats moved down twice and basically netted a low third (and moved up slightly in the fourth), helpful but they probably could have done better. I thought they could have gotten more from the Cowboys or at the very least not thrown in the fourth on our end. Apparently they were going to take him with the 22nd anyway so picking up a third was a good move but as I said I thought they could have got more.

 

[DaBruinz]

Be that as it may, I didnt like how the pats played the first round, and the failures of the last 2 drafts forced them to pick Mccourty.. The team needs impact players from this draft, and this guy might be a impact player but Tom Brady may be not on the team then... That as Belichick would say is not what we are looking for... But there is still tonight and tom, so we shall see...

So, you are one of THOSE people who hated last year's draft because 8 of the 12 players actually had an impact on the team..

Dude, Brady is going to be hear for another 5 years, minimum. You whining and acting like McCourty will take that long before he's an impact player is just sad.

 

[The Dynasty]

Clearly you don't understand that NEED is a part of the VALUE equation. You clearly are under the impression that VALUE is synonymous with Best Player available. But that's wrong. It's not.

VALUE = Physical Traits + Intangibles + NEED

BPA = Physical Traits + Intangibles and doesn't consider need.

Need = Take highest rated player at that position regardless of round.

What you also fail to understand (and makes me believe you've never actually read Patriots Reign) is that the Patriots grade ALL of their players after every year and they compare the players in the draft against the players on the roster. And if they feel that the VALUE a player brings is higher than a player on the roster, then they'll take that player. That is clearly the case for McCourty.. They clearly rate him higher than Wheatley and Wilhite. They may even rate him higher than Butler. I don't know.. The only thing I know is that the Pats clearly felt that his value, along with the 3rd rounder and upgrade of the 4th rounder, was better for the team than staying put.

I did read Patriot Reign actually, and while the majority of the draft procedure stays the same there will be things that will change from year to year especially with Pioli leaving so dont think that everything you read is exactly what happens.

The CB position doesnt even need to be looked at they actually have players at that position that you can compare to players in the draft. How many pass rushers do the Patriots have to compare to players in the draft? People are way to high on McCourty already, hes a very solid player but already saying hes better than Wheatley and Wilhite how can you say that when McCourty's been in the Big East the past 4 years.

 

[jeffbiologist]

Look, I dont care if we ended up with 17 3rd round picks....how many rookies do you realistically think can make(and improve not just being CHEAP) the team?? How much time do you want to spend teaching rookies vs. training vets?? I'd say no more than 5 rookies, considering 1-2 may be lower round jag/6th/7th/FAs, that means 3-4 higher round picks right? Maybe 2 starters and 2 developmental/jags? We had every chance to trade up yesterday but did we? We traded down again in the deepest draft in memory. More than the 1 in 07, but not so many as the last couple of years(7-8/yr).

 

[capetide]

Be that as it may, I didnt like how the pats played the first round, and the failures of the last 2 drafts forced them to pick Mccourty.. The team needs impact players from this draft, and this guy might be a impact player but Tom Brady may be not on the team then... That as Belichick would say is not what we are looking for... But there is still tonight and tom, so we shall see...

I work full-time and my job does not involve scouting college football talent. I also dont know each players personality, background, medical history and motivation. I also dont know much about their specific strengths and weaknesses, skill set, and degree to which they match to what the Patriots are looking for. Therefore, I can't work myself up into a fit of outrage, negativity, and depression to join you and all your friends for the group leap of the Tobin Bridge this evening but my thoughts will be with you. Sincerely. Capetide

 

[DaBruinz]

Look, I dont care if we ended up with 17 3rd round picks....how many rookies do you realistically think can make(and improve not just being CHEAP) the team?? How much time do you want to spend teaching rookies vs. training vets?? I'd say no more than 5 rookies, considering 1-2 may be lower round jag/6th/7th/FAs, that means 3-4 higher round picks right? Maybe 2 starters and 2 developmental/jags? We had every chance to trade up yesterday but did we? We traded down again in the deepest draft in memory. More than the 1 in 07, but not so many as the last couple of years(7-8/yr).

Jeff - You've shown time and again that you don't every look at things logically. Which is pretty damn amazing considering you are supposedly a biologist.

Instead of whining, how about you look at the fact that the Pats added 9 rookies to the team last year. They also has 2 rookies on the practice squad and 2 ended up on the IR through no fault of their own.

Teams will ALWAYS bee teaching rookies and training vets. That is the cycle of life of the NFL.

The Pats traded down 5 spots and got the guy they wanted while adding a 3rd round pick and moving up in the 4th. Having all these picks provides competition. Competition makes all the players better.

MG pointed out not to long ago that there could be as many as 13 spots (not counting the practice squad) available for rookies. Realistically, I think it's 7 or 8, but I can see it going to double digits.. Not to mention that there always seems to be a catastrophic injury either in the mini camps or in TC that puts a guy on the IR.

You don't seem to get that there are 63 roster spots. 53 on the main roster and another 8 on the practice squad. There are another 17 roster spots for training camp, for a total of 80. The Pats only have 65 players signed right now and one drafted rookie.. So there are still 14 spots for players.. Not 4 or 5..

How about actually being a scientist for a change instead of an emotional basket case? How about using logic?? You've been asked that for years now, yet you haven't changed... How can you be successful as a scientist when you let your emotions dictate your thoughts so much?

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

For those who continue to complain about McCourty answer me these questions


1) Are the Miami Dolphins in our division?
2) Do the Miami Dolphins have an Elite WR now in Brandon Marshall?

3) Are the Jets in our division?
4) Do the Jets have an Elite WR now in Santonio Holmes?

5) Are you confident that Bodden and Butler could have handled the majority of passes that went Marshall and Holmes way and the others receivers those 2 teams have without any major new talent and help other than an erratic Wilhite and old grandad Springs?

6) Is there a bonafide decent Cornerback after McCourtny the rest of the draft?

7) Are there significant talented Pass Rushers,Wide Receivers to be picked up in the second round with 3 picks,at least?


The Correct answers are

1) Yes 2) Yes 3) Yes 4) Yes 5) No 6) No 7) Yes


Belichick would have had a 100% on this test .....What was your score?

 

[Amnorix]

Except for those deluding themselves over Bryant, who *I* think was not a serious option for the Patriots due to character issues, I'd think we can all agree that sliding back the five picks was the correct move. As a result, we picked up a third and moved up five or six spots in the fourth. A huge net win.

The question isn't moving back, it's who we took once we moved back. Odrick or another front 7 player (Hughes? Kindle??) would probably have addressed a position of higher need, and even staying iwth CBs I'm worried that Wilson is the better pick than McCourty.

If Wilson is the next Revis, or Hughes the next Freeney, we'll be talking about this pick for years, unless McCourty himself performs extremely well.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Umm.. The Ravens traded down, out of the first round, to get that 2nd, 3rd, and 4th pick. They went from 25 to 43. A drop of 18 picks to get their 3rd and 4th round picks..

The Pats dropped 2 spots for their trade with Denver and another 3 spots for their trade with Dallas. Clearly the Pats got the better deal.

And last year the Pats got TWO mid-3s to go from 26 to 41.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

It has not been overlooked, any move in the first round usually requires at least a third. The Pats moved down twice and basically netted a low third (and moved up slightly in the fourth), helpful but they probably could have done better. I thought they could have gotten more from the Cowboys or at the very least not thrown in the fourth on our end. Apparently they were going to take him with the 22nd anyway so picking up a third was a good move but as I said I thought they could have got more.

All the Pats got from the Ratbirds last year was either a 5 or a 6 to go from 23 to 26 (they traded that pick and 26 to GB).

 

[Spiral]

For those who continue to complain about McCourty answer me these questions


1) Are the Miami Dolphins in our division?
2) Do the Miami Dolphins have an Elite WR now in Brandon Marshall?

3) Are the Jets in our division?
4) Do the Jets have an Elite WR now in Santonio Holmes?

5) Are you confident that Bodden and Butler could have handled the majority of passes that went Marshall and Holmes way and the others receivers those 2 teams have without any major new talent and help other than an erratic Wilhite and old grandad Springs?

6) Is there a bonafide decent Cornerback after McCourtny the rest of the draft?

7) Are there significant talented Pass Rushers,Wide Receivers to be picked up in the second round with 3 picks,at least?


The Correct answers are

1) Yes 2) Yes 3) Yes 4) Yes 5) No 6) No 7) Yes


Belichick would have had a 100% on this test .....What was your score?

I read somewhere that one NFL general manager said that he thought there 31 draftable cornerbacks in this year's draft, which was an unprecedented number. I'm not criticizing the pick, but to say that there weren't any decent cornerbacks after McCourty may be a bit of a reach.

 

[Armchair Quarterback]

All the Pats got from the Ratbirds last year was either a 5 or a 6 to go from 23 to 26 (they traded that pick and 26 to GB).

It was a fifth. Maybe I should have said for trades not involving the Pats any move in the first round usually requires at least a third.

 

[capetide]

I read somewhere that one NFL general manager said that he thought there 31 draftable cornerbacks in this year's draft, which was an unprecedented number. I'm not criticizing the pick, but to say that there weren't any decent cornerbacks after McCourty may be a bit of a reach.

I'm pretty sure there are still draftable DE's, OLB's. TE's, WR's, and RB's on the board too.