OT: Gut feeling: Buffalo is going to offer a pick-package for Big Ben

[JSn]

Now this is relevant because we're talking in almost every thread about the AFCE getting better all around us. The debates on vet acquisitions vs. draftees, the jump from year one to year two for last year's rookies, and the mystery guys who've yet to hit the field in a serious way (Tate, McKenzie, Crable). So we don't have a great bead on how much better our team could be without a lot of change, really.

It's easiest for us to make guesses on appreciable vet pick-up's because we have an idea of how they play and what they're capable of.

Lombardi talks about Ben being available for the right offer and mentions Buffalo in his short list of teams that might whip out that #1 pick for a Ben-test.

I think the guy is over-rated on the field, but there's no doubt he's one of the luckiest QB's on the planet and can find ways to win.

How would you feel about this guy entering the division?

Another upside would be that since Buffalo is almost entirely peopled with prostitutes, he'd be more likely to stay out of trouble.

 

[tanked_as_usual]

Re: Gut Feeling: Buffalo is going to offer a pick-package for Big Ben

they don't have to.........teams now know that guys like henne throwing to bess and camarillo can rip the pats pass defense a new one.......they have also seen the pats do nothing about improving that situation......its like any other concept in sports......pile on until they learn how to stop it.......

right now, with the existing pass rush, the pats will be near the bottom of the league against the pass next year

they pats don't have an LB who is any good at coverage, so they have nobody in the short areas who is capable of making a play or make the QB look for other options.....basically, everyone on the field is going to know the play, but the pats will not be able to stop it

a real indicator is that while other teams are giving away much better players, the pats are still holding onto adalius thomas.......because they have noone else

 

[Fencer]

Re: Gut Feeling: Buffalo is going to offer a pick-package for Big Ben

they don't have to.........teams now know that guys like henne throwing to bess and camarillo can rip the pats pass defense a new one.......they have also seen the pats do nothing about improving that situation......its like any other concept in sports......pile on until they learn how to stop it.......

right now, with the existing pass rush, the pats will be near the bottom of the league against the pass next year

That is one of the stupidest posts I have seen on any message board in a long time.

Even if every part of your football analysis were perfectly accurate, the fact remains that only 1/8 of Buffalo's games are actually played against the Pats.

 

[BradyManny]

Re: Gut Feeling: Buffalo is going to offer a pick-package for Big Ben

I've never been a Big Ben fan in any sense - on or off field - but I'd rather the Bills have a QB problem than have him at QB. It would make the division tougher.

Any hope of us avenging 18-1 with another run at perfection during the BB/Brady era seems pretty far fetched as our division continues to get tougher and tougher

 

[tanked_as_usual]

Re: Gut Feeling: Buffalo is going to offer a pick-package for Big Ben

I've seen some of yours.......they're doozies, also

fact is, its become a pass happy league, and the pats are ill-equipped to deal with it...

That is one of the stupidest posts I have seen on any message board in a long time.

Even if every part of your football analysis were perfectly accurate, the fact remains that only 1/8 of Buffalo's games are actually played against the Pats.

 

[JSn]

Re: Gut Feeling: Buffalo is going to offer a pick-package for Big Ben

i wouldn't give you a 5th rd. pick for that scumbag. i would hope the people in buffalo would protest that move intensely.

No argument here. I just think they might do it.

 

[tuckeverlasting]

Re: Gut Feeling: Buffalo is going to offer a pick-package for Big Ben

Now this is relevant because we're talking in almost every thread about the AFCE getting better all around us. The debates on vet acquisitions vs. draftees, the jump from year one to year two for last year's rookies, and the mystery guys who've yet to hit the field in a serious way (Tate, McKenzie, Crable). So we don't have a great bead on how much better our team could be without a lot of change, really.

It's easiest for us to make guesses on appreciable vet pick-up's because we have an idea of how they play and what they're capable of.

Lombardi talks about Ben being available for the right offer and mentions Buffalo in his short list of teams that might whip out that #1 pick for a Ben-test.

I think the guy is over-rated on the field, but there's no doubt he's one of the luckiest QB's on the planet and can find ways to win.

How would you feel about this guy entering the division?

Another upside would be that since Buffalo is almost entirely peopled with prostitutes, he'd be more likely to stay out of trouble.

i wouldn't give you a 5th rd. pick for that scumbag. i would hope the people in buffalo would protest that move intensely. he's right where he belongs.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Re: Gut feeling: Buffalo is going to offer a pick-package for Big Ben

Now this is relevant because we're talking in almost every thread about the AFCE getting better all around us. The debates on vet acquisitions vs. draftees, the jump from year one to year two for last year's rookies, and the mystery guys who've yet to hit the field in a serious way (Tate, McKenzie, Crable). So we don't have a great bead on how much better our team could be without a lot of change, really.

It's easiest for us to make guesses on appreciable vet pick-up's because we have an idea of how they play and what they're capable of.

Lombardi talks about Ben being available for the right offer and mentions Buffalo in his short list of teams that might whip out that #1 pick for a Ben-test.

I think the guy is over-rated on the field, but there's no doubt he's one of the luckiest QB's on the planet and can find ways to win.

How would you feel about this guy entering the division?

Another upside would be that since Buffalo is almost entirely peopled with prostitutes, he'd be more likely to stay out of trouble.

What? Those Canadian ballet women working here in the USA without visas? I hope not.

Back on topic, I'd hate to see Pitt get top picks for Ben and do a reboot as their org knows how to draft well. I think Ben would make Buffalo more competitive against all 3 other AFCE teams and hopefully it would be a train wreck off the field as you imply.

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

Re: Gut feeling: Buffalo is going to offer a pick-package for Big Ben

I actually like Buffalo (the team), and while I'd like for them to be more competitive in the division, I don't wish that turd on anyone, not even the Raiders.

 

[DW Toys]

Re: Gut Feeling: Buffalo is going to offer a pick-package for Big Ben

they don't have to.........teams now know that guys like henne throwing to bess and camarillo can rip the pats pass defense a new one.......they have also seen the pats do nothing about improving that situation......its like any other concept in sports......pile on until they learn how to stop it.......

right now, with the existing pass rush, the pats will be near the bottom of the league against the pass next year

they pats don't have an LB who is any good at coverage, so they have nobody in the short areas who is capable of making a play or make the QB look for other options.....basically, everyone on the field is going to know the play, but the pats will not be able to stop it

a real indicator is that while other teams are giving away much better players, the pats are still holding onto adalius thomas.......because they have noone else

Don't know what this has to do with Buffalo but I can agree with most of the things you said. There has been some fairly big wiffs (ok and some not) so far this season.Don't play the resign card because that should have been done months ago. Why is that now so outstanding of an accomplishment? The typical homer line has been "lets be patient and wait for the Draft". Well that is two or three guys, .........now what about the rest?
DW Toys

 

[DW Toys]

Re: Gut feeling: Buffalo is going to offer a pick-package for Big Ben

Now this is relevant because we're talking in almost every thread about the AFCE getting better all around us. The debates on vet acquisitions vs. draftees, the jump from year one to year two for last year's rookies, and the mystery guys who've yet to hit the field in a serious way (Tate, McKenzie, Crable). So we don't have a great bead on how much better our team could be without a lot of change, really.

It's easiest for us to make guesses on appreciable vet pick-up's because we have an idea of how they play and what they're capable of.

Lombardi talks about Ben being available for the right offer and mentions Buffalo in his short list of teams that might whip out that #1 pick for a Ben-test.

I think the guy is over-rated on the field, but there's no doubt he's one of the luckiest QB's on the planet and can find ways to win.

How would you feel about this guy entering the division?

Another upside would be that since Buffalo is almost entirely peopled with prostitutes, he'd be more likely to stay out of trouble.

I have given this some thought. The Steelers would like Bradford. Anal Pore or not, Ben will upgrade the QB positions on most Teams even if you don't want to use the "franchise QB" word. Remember they said that about Cutler.

Rams trade their #1, their #33 and DE Adam Carriker (former first rounder and still young) as the Steelers are needing a DE badly and he will make a top 3-4 DE rather than a lousy DT, to the Steelers for Ben and the Steelers #15. Done deal.

Perhaps the women folk in St.Louis aren't that good looking and perhaps they have a leash law for Big Ben to holster "scruffy". I guess when Big Ben is on the prowl he takes trolling literally.

DW Toys
DW Toys

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

Re: Gut feeling: Buffalo is going to offer a pick-package for Big Ben

Biggest rumor and most possible to me is Ben going to the Rams and the Rams giving the #1 to Pittsburgh who is highly impressed by the college career of Sam Bradford who they would then go to draft.

The Steelers would get a guy of the future who they like and the Rams take a rapist who happens to be a 2 time SB Championship caliber QB to add to thier team and I really think the Rams fans who are so desperate for thier team to be relevant again would support the trade regardless of his criminal history.

I would not be surprised to see this whopper...but the Bills are NOT going to trade for Ben.....If anything the Bills draft Clausen

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Re: Gut feeling: Buffalo is going to offer a pick-package for Big Ben

Now this is relevant because we're talking in almost every thread about the AFCE getting better all around us. The debates on vet acquisitions vs. draftees, the jump from year one to year two for last year's rookies, and the mystery guys who've yet to hit the field in a serious way (Tate, McKenzie, Crable). So we don't have a great bead on how much better our team could be without a lot of change, really.

It's easiest for us to make guesses on appreciable vet pick-up's because we have an idea of how they play and what they're capable of.

Lombardi talks about Ben being available for the right offer and mentions Buffalo in his short list of teams that might whip out that #1 pick for a Ben-test.

I think the guy is over-rated on the field, but there's no doubt he's one of the luckiest QB's on the planet and can find ways to win.

How would you feel about this guy entering the division?

Another upside would be that since Buffalo is almost entirely peopled with prostitutes, he'd be more likely to stay out of trouble.

If prostitutes would do the trick he wouldn't he in trouble...

Ben is an undisciplined, self absorbed meathead. He's certainly not a gym (obvious) or film (by admission) rat. Just an arrogant gunslinger with entitlement issues...on and off the field. I always said he was the reason Cowher opted on a sabatical, coaches can sense these things and when the Rooney's fell all over themselves to make this kid the face of a franchise Cowher had shepherded for 15 seasons he saw the handwriting on the wall... That they opted against Whisenhut (who also knew) and went with a rookie HC and an OC willing to put the ball in Ben's hands confirmed that. Ariens almost took the fall for last seasons debaucle...but his OL coach got canned instead.

Somehow I don't think Bill would have that much trouble game planning against Ben in Buffalo. Nothing much to do there but drink, and absent a really strong HC/OC/GM tandem to micro manage him on and off the field - which if Pittsburgh couldn't muster I don't believe the Bill's remotely could - he might cause more harm than anything. Not to mention it's been a while since they had to account for 10-12% of their cap/payroll at the position, which would put a crimp in their shallow pockets. Pittsburgh was always such a well run, well coached organization all they ever needed was a competent QB to contend vs. teams who had franchise QB's. They kind of went from the frying pan (Slash) into the fire with Ben even as they won rings again. I don't think Buffalo is built to win top to bottom, including the FO and coaching. Ben isn't going to change that dynamic all that dramatically. In his own way he's a closet coach/legacy killer...

They won't trade him unless several more of the objects of his perverse affection come out of the woodwork between now and draft day - although that's entirely possibly... I think the Rooney's are presently using the media to send Ben a message that will shake him to the core beyond what the 2-4 game suspension that is likely on tap post draft will. And to placate their highly embarassed fan base. I do think that if there is another remotely related incident or maybe any incident between now and 2011, he could easily be dealt before that draft...

 

[patsinthesnow]

Re: Gut feeling: Buffalo is going to offer a pick-package for Big Ben

I can see a trade during the season if Dixon pulls a Brady durin Big Bens 2-4 game suspension. He looked good in that Ravens game, could see him being a better throwing Vick.

 

[Kontradiction]

Re: Gut feeling: Buffalo is going to offer a pick-package for Big Ben

Needless to say, if this were to happen the AFC East would be the most competitive division in football.

 

[PatsFanSince74]

Re: Gut feeling: Buffalo is going to offer a pick-package for Big Ben

despite all of his problems off the field and his shortcomings on the field (as detailed by others in the thread), there's no doubt in my mind that he would make the Bills better, and maybe a lot better, the moment he stepped on the field. the division is already tough enough, i wouldn't want to see this happen.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Re: Gut feeling: Buffalo is going to offer a pick-package for Big Ben

Now this is relevant because we're talking in almost every thread about the AFCE getting better all around us. The debates on vet acquisitions vs. draftees, the jump from year one to year two for last year's rookies, and the mystery guys who've yet to hit the field in a serious way (Tate, McKenzie, Crable). So we don't have a great bead on how much better our team could be without a lot of change, really.

It's easiest for us to make guesses on appreciable vet pick-up's because we have an idea of how they play and what they're capable of.

Lombardi talks about Ben being available for the right offer and mentions Buffalo in his short list of teams that might whip out that #1 pick for a Ben-test.

I think the guy is over-rated on the field, but there's no doubt he's one of the luckiest QB's on the planet and can find ways to win.

How would you feel about this guy entering the division?

Another upside would be that since Buffalo is almost entirely peopled with prostitutes, he'd be more likely to stay out of trouble.

buffalo as a city is not that bad. i've been there. it's ok.

remember ben comes with not just a ton of baggage but an injury prone history. he's had 4 concussions so far and I would venture to say could be a few from retirement.

 

[jmt57]

Re: Gut feeling: Buffalo is going to offer a pick-package for Big Ben

I don't see Buffalo trading for Roethlisberger. Aside from the upcoming suspension and image problem, Wilson and the Bills don't appear to be a team that would want to take on his contract. He'll make $8 million this year and then $11.6 million each year after through 2014, and $12.1 million in 2015.

On the other side, if Pittsburgh is going to move him this is the year to do it. Being an uncapped year they don't have to worry about the pro-rated portion of the $25 million signing bonus they gave Roethlisberger two years ago being accelerated into this year's cap since there is none.

If he's traded then St Louis seems to be the most likely trade partner. Seattle and Oakland would be other possibilities.

 

[JSn]

Re: Gut feeling: Buffalo is going to offer a pick-package for Big Ben

PFT Daily: What's next for Roethlisberger? | ProFootballTalk.com

Seems like this is a common bit of through. Florio fixes on the Bills in his nearly intolerably dull segment above.

 

[Joker]

Re: Gut feeling: Buffalo is going to offer a pick-package for Big Ben

Jetdell will make Rapistburger enter alky rehab...then what....random pee tests ? mandatory AA meetings?...any team that would poison their atmosphere before the season even starts with this media monster/moron should be investigated for negligence.